Calling all campers/hikers

Dude, that is a stacked list! I made a gear thread a while back that ended up with a lot of good info: https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/789949/Recommend-me-some-backpacking-gear


have fun, those are some great places, I might run in to you, I need to get back to Utah soon, Bryce is incredible, along with everything else on your list. Good Luck!

Just.Go.With.It

One time I dumped a box of stale cheezitz on the sidewalk. There were like 200 seagulls and they were attacking each other. I felt bad

Plan to spend the majority of your time in the Tetons and Zion. Those places on your list will all be very, very hot in the summer, with the exception of the Tetons. In Zion, do some canyoneering if you have the requisite skills, or just do easy canyons if you do not. There is a great site devoted to Zion canyoneering.

As far as tips/tricks, there's really not much to it. I've spent over 1,000 nights of my life sleeping on the ground (would say in a tent, but a lot of the time I go without a tent). Just get a pad that won't pop, a decent sleeping bag, a stove, and you're good to go. Add a water filter if you will be overnighting. I've been to all of the places on your list and they are all unique and well worth visiting.

cydwhitDude, that is a stacked list! I made a gear thread a while back that ended up with a lot of good info: https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/789949/Recommend-me-some-backpacking-gear


have fun, those are some great places, I might run in to you, I need to get back to Utah soon, Bryce is incredible, along with everything else on your list. Good Luck!

Thanks man!! you think its too much tho? We wanna keep it under 14 days, for our jobs sake, parties, last summer of highschool etc. Thanks!

iFlipPlan to spend the majority of your time in the Tetons and Zion. Those places on your list will all be very, very hot in the summer, with the exception of the Tetons. In Zion, do some canyoneering if you have the requisite skills, or just do easy canyons if you do not. There is a great site devoted to Zion canyoneering.

As far as tips/tricks, there's really not much to it. I've spent over 1,000 nights of my life sleeping on the ground (would say in a tent, but a lot of the time I go without a tent). Just get a pad that won't pop, a decent sleeping bag, a stove, and you're good to go. Add a water filter if you will be overnighting. I've been to all of the places on your list and they are all unique and well worth visiting.

Thanks dude, yeah like yellowstone/badlands are more just drive thru site seeing for us. Thanks for the input!

iskiPC1997Thanks dude, yeah like yellowstone/badlands are more just drive thru site seeing for us. Thanks for the input!

While you're in the area, take a detour to Custer State Park. It has the Needles (awesome rocks), lots more viewable bison than Yellowstone (do NOT say buffalo and be like all the other morons...they are bison in North America), and is definitely worth seeing. You could also swing by Devil's Tower while you're in that part of the country, and if you want to be a total tourist, Mt. Rushmore is right by Custer State Park.

Plan on buying a National Parks Pass. Camping may be problematic as many campgrounds in those areas fill up during the summer months. Free camping can be incredibly difficult/impossible to find. To go camp in the backcountry requires a permit, which is a hassle to get. You will also be required to buy or rent a bear canister in some of those areas. Just things to consider as you're planning.

14 days? Hmm, seems reasonable. Like the other guy said, do some canyoneering, Zion will be insane, you will want to spend a few days there. Just realize that any one of those destinations deserves months of exploring. This might be a good fast trip to check everything out and figure out where you really want to spend some time, then you can come back and really explore.

We did 3500 miles in 6 days last spring break, Brice, Grand Canyon, Vegas, Laguna, Ensenada mexico, Arbolitos Coves Mexico, Laguna again, Fresno and Yosemite. It was fun but I was left wanting to explore a lot of those places more thoroughly, that's why I'm hopefully going back to Utah and Yosemite this summer.

Have a great trip!

iFlipWhile you're in the area, take a detour to Custer State Park. It has the Needles (awesome rocks), lots more viewable bison than Yellowstone (do NOT say buffalo and be like all the other morons...they are bison in North America), and is definitely worth seeing. You could also swing by Devil's Tower while you're in that part of the country, and if you want to be a total tourist, Mt. Rushmore is right by Custer State Park.

Plan on buying a National Parks Pass. Camping may be problematic as many campgrounds in those areas fill up during the summer months. Free camping can be incredibly difficult/impossible to find. To go camp in the backcountry requires a permit, which is a hassle to get. You will also be required to buy or rent a bear canister in some of those areas. Just things to consider as you're planning.

Yes I have been to Custer and it is a hidden gem! We all decided Rushmore was a lil too touristy. Can you explain more about the camping permits? I'm a new to camping out west. Thanks again this is perfect

cydwhit14 days? Hmm, seems reasonable. Like the other guy said, do some canyoneering, Zion will be insane, you will want to spend a few days there. Just realize that any one of those destinations deserves months of exploring. This might be a good fast trip to check everything out and figure out where you really want to spend some time, then you can come back and really explore.

We did 3500 miles in 6 days last spring break, Brice, Grand Canyon, Vegas, Laguna, Ensenada mexico, Arbolitos Coves Mexico, Laguna again, Fresno and Yosemite. It was fun but I was left wanting to explore a lot of those places more thoroughly, that's why I'm hopefully going back to Utah and Yosemite this summer.

Have a great trip!

I totally understand man! I took a similar trip with my family and parents a few summers ago and we were at Yellowstone for 3 days and saw very little. It was great to get a taste of what's really out there! Do you have any input on the permits and stuff that may be required for camping in certain areas? Well all be 18 as well

iskiPC1997Yes I have been to Custer and it is a hidden gem! We all decided Rushmore was a lil too touristy. Can you explain more about the camping permits? I'm a new to camping out west. Thanks again this is perfect

There are two types of camping you can do in most national parks: Campgrounds and backcountry sites.

Campgrounds are pretty self-explanatory. You pull up in your car, you have a place for your tent, a picnic table, and some sort of fire ring or grill. You can usually reserve campsites months in advance and they often sell out months in advance as well. If you just show up at the park you may be screwed and be forced to leave the park and stay in a fairly expensive hotel.

Backcountry camping also takes planning. You need permits and often a detailed itinerary. Rather than explain all of this to you, just go to the Yellowstone National Park site that deals with this for a representative overview: http://www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/backcountryhiking.htm The other national parks will have similar/identical systems in place.

Honestly it's not as bad as it sounds. Our national parks are all beautiful and unique and well worth visiting. You do need to do a bit of planning but nothing totally unreasonable.

iFlipThere are two types of camping you can do in most national parks: Campgrounds and backcountry sites.

Campgrounds are pretty self-explanatory. You pull up in your car, you have a place for your tent, a picnic table, and some sort of fire ring or grill. You can usually reserve campsites months in advance and they often sell out months in advance as well. If you just show up at the park you may be screwed and be forced to leave the park and stay in a fairly expensive hotel.

Backcountry camping also takes planning. You need permits and often a detailed itinerary. Rather than explain all of this to you, just go to the Yellowstone National Park site that deals with this for a representative overview: http://www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/backcountryhiking.htm The other national parks will have similar/identical systems in place.

Honestly it's not as bad as it sounds. Our national parks are all beautiful and unique and well worth visiting. You do need to do a bit of planning but nothing totally unreasonable.

Awesome thanks for clearing that up. I'll definitely look into that! Is the permit expensive? And do we each have to get one? This js all New to me

iskiPC1997I totally understand man! I took a similar trip with my family and parents a few summers ago and we were at Yellowstone for 3 days and saw very little. It was great to get a taste of what's really out there! Do you have any input on the permits and stuff that may be required for camping in certain areas? Well all be 18 as well

I don't know too much about the permits, we just drove in to Brice in the middle of the night and slept in the car. Walmart parking lots are always a good bet as well, way cheaper than a hotel. It would be worth it to get a permit and camp out somewhere super sweet at least one night on the trip. I've also just had luck bedding down on the side of the highway in some places, if you leave early in the morning you'll be fine usually. One thing to consider is since you are all 18 it could be sketchy getting a hotel. I don't know all the laws but I know in Vegas I wasn't technically allowed to get a hotel as a 20 year old. The lady was nice and let me anyway but maybe check on local rules, if a hotel is your backup. Really though, in the summer, just find a parking lot, or secluded pull out on the highway and you should be fine

iskiPC1997Awesome thanks for clearing that up. I'll definitely look into that! Is the permit expensive? And do we each have to get one? This js all New to me

One permit for the entire party. $25 application fee. The National Geographic maps are usually the best maps. You can get away without them if you're sticking to set trails, although they are a good idea anyway. Find all of them here: http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/category/national-parks-collection/national-parks-maps;jsessionid=686B553C6D5C60794CFC3FE32AA9DD4A

cydwhitI don't know too much about the permits, we just drove in to Brice in the middle of the night and slept in the car. Walmart parking lots are always a good bet as well, way cheaper than a hotel. It would be worth it to get a permit and camp out somewhere super sweet at least one night on the trip. I've also just had luck bedding down on the side of the highway in some places, if you leave early in the morning you'll be fine usually. One thing to consider is since you are all 18 it could be sketchy getting a hotel. I don't know all the laws but I know in Vegas I wasn't technically allowed to get a hotel as a 20 year old. The lady was nice and let me anyway but maybe check on local rules, if a hotel is your backup. Really though, in the summer, just find a parking lot, or secluded pull out on the highway and you should be fine

Good advice, except that he and his buddies are all going together. Sleeping 3-5 people in a car loaded with gear and other crap is equal to Dante's 6th level of Hell. WalMart parking lots only work if you stay in your car. You are not allowed to put up a tent. There are other ways to handle sleeping without paying/without permits. If you are heading to Yosemite this summer I can help you out with that. I've spent several months in Yosemite and knows my way around the system. This is not information I will post publicly, so PM me if you're interested.

iFlipGood advice, except that he and his buddies are all going together. Sleeping 3-5 people in a car loaded with gear and other crap is equal to Dante's 6th level of Hell. WalMart parking lots only work if you stay in your car. You are not allowed to put up a tent. There are other ways to handle sleeping without paying/without permits. If you are heading to Yosemite this summer I can help you out with that. I've spent several months in Yosemite and knows my way around the system. This is not information I will post publicly, so PM me if you're interested.

Dang, my bad, didn't know about the tent rule.... We've done it with 3 guys and a bunch of gear, we slept two in the car and one on a pad right next to it, didn't get any crap from the night security guy, of course that only works in the summer. We've spent a lot of time camping illegally though so I'm sure it will catch up to us eventually.

In response to both of you.. Yeah a night in the car would not be ideal haha there's 4 of us and we said if push comes to shove Wed setup at a rest stopo r side of the road. Were not totally winging this trip but we also are just gonna have to go with the flow on a lot of it! Has anyone been to mt. Timpanogas?

I'm jealous. Bryce and Zion are definitely on my bucket list. I go with the "When in doubt, pack it" philosophy. If you are leaving right after grad, you may still encounter some late spring weather. I have been snowed on in South Dakota in August, and 2 days earlier it was 110 degrees in Rapid City.

I found a great sleeping bag at my local Big 5 Sports for $29.99. It is a 10 to 15 degree mummy bag. Before you think that it has to be crap for that price, I bought one and tested it out on a cold weather outing. It was great. This is a cheap bag that is actually quality and will be comfy just about anytime. On sale right now for $24.99.

http://www.big5sportinggoods.com/store/details/World%20Famous%20Sports+Mountaineer-Mummy-Bag/0720121470002/_/A-4740106#.VKGbA_8J7UA

This is the 2 man tent I own and have used it a lot. Yes it is also a knock off of something pricier, but it works great and all I did was spray it with some industrial strength Scotch Guard water proofing as a precaution.

http://www.big5sportinggoods.com/store/details/Boulder%20Creek+Hiker-2-Dome-Tent/0710146900001/_/A-4490207#.VKGcmf8J7UA

There is also a killer foul weather 4 man tent that I might buy for $69.99.

http://www.big5sportinggoods.com/store/details/HI-TEC+Infinity-4-Tent/0710107811430/_/A-5027651#.VKGduv8J7UA

Anyway, I love Big 5 now. They have some killer stuff that is really cheap but works great. The other thing they have that is awesome is a hiking stove that is the best I have ever used. This thing is the SHIT!!!

http://www.big5sportinggoods.com/store/details/HI-TEC+Backpacker-Stove-with-Fuel/0760140340399/_/A-4632881#.VKGfEv8J7UA

I have a Whisper Lite and I don't even pack it anymore. Instead of having to prime, pump, clean and repeat to get the fucking thing to light, you just screw the gas on the Hi Tech stove, turn on the gas and press the button. It lights every time.

Last thing is that you really need to familiarize yourself with the use of Bear Bags, and how to elevate your smellables. Nothing with an odor should be in your tent with you including toothpaste and deodorant.

Mr.HuckI'm jealous. Bryce and Zion are definitely on my bucket list. I go with the "When in doubt, pack it" philosophy. If you are leaving right after grad, you may still encounter some late spring weather. I have been snowed on in South Dakota in August, and 2 days earlier it was 110 degrees in Rapid City.

I found a great sleeping bag at my local Big 5 Sports for $29.99. It is a 10 to 15 degree mummy bag. Before you think that it has to be crap for that price, I bought one and tested it out on a cold weather outing. It was great. This is a cheap bag that is actually quality and will be comfy just about anytime. On sale right now for $24.99.

http://www.big5sportinggoods.com/store/details/World%20Famous%20Sports+Mountaineer-Mummy-Bag/0720121470002/_/A-4740106#.VKGbA_8J7UA

This is the 2 man tent I own and have used it a lot. Yes it is also a knock off of something pricier, but it works great and all I did was spray it with some industrial strength Scotch Guard water proofing as a precaution.

http://www.big5sportinggoods.com/store/details/Boulder%20Creek+Hiker-2-Dome-Tent/0710146900001/_/A-4490207#.VKGcmf8J7UA

There is also a killer foul weather 4 man tent that I might buy for $69.99.

http://www.big5sportinggoods.com/store/details/HI-TEC+Infinity-4-Tent/0710107811430/_/A-5027651#.VKGduv8J7UA

Anyway, I love Big 5 now. They have some killer stuff that is really cheap but works great. The other thing they have that is awesome is a hiking stove that is the best I have ever used. This thing is the SHIT!!!

http://www.big5sportinggoods.com/store/details/HI-TEC+Backpacker-Stove-with-Fuel/0760140340399/_/A-4632881#.VKGfEv8J7UA

I have a Whisper Lite and I don't even pack it anymore. Instead of having to prime, pump, clean and repeat to get the fucking thing to light, you just screw the gas on the Hi Tech stove, turn on the gas and press the button. It lights every time.

Last thing is that you really need to familiarize yourself with the use of Bear Bags, and how to elevate your smellables. Nothing with an odor should be in your tent with you including toothpaste and deodorant.

Awesome dude thanks a load!!

Visiting my backyard eh? Badlands are sick! Good stop and plenty of hiking to do.

Definately go to Custer, so awesome. Drive the needles highway and hike back into the cathedral spires, which are amazing. Plenty of world class climbing to do if you want to do that. Also sylvan lake has some fishing and swimming to do. Guided climbing there also.

Back behind Sylvan lake is Harney Peak, which is the highest point west of the Rockies untill the alps. Very good views and a beautiful hike.

Skip rushmore....just drive past and look at it. It's the same thing. Back behind rushmore there are some more great hikes and more amazing climbing. I would suggest just stopping and wandering around there for a bit. Also there is Deerfield lake wich has some fishing in it.

Crazy horse is pretty cool, but probably not worth the price.

There are tons of camping places to camp in the black hills. I suggest wrinkled rock campground back behind mt. Rushmore. It is free and has leveled tent sites for nice sleeping. Only bad side is there is no fires anywhere near rushmore, and some places near Custer. Also if you want to just rough it....anywhere is great. Just hike a mile or two in so no fires can be seen, and you will be fine.

Pm me if you have more questions about the Black Hills/anywhere in South Dakota, and I know some about Wyoming too.

Have fun man!!

Also listen to Mr. Huck about SD weather....we have some of the most random weather I have ever seen. Ive had school cancelled due to snow in September....then by noon it was 75*.

Some guy died last year in a rainstorm about a mile from his car on a hike. Would have lived had he brought a raincoat, so just be prepared.

And I forgot to mention the Sturgis rally....super fun time to be here. Plus it is the 75th anniversary, so shit is going to get crazy. Always great concerts and scantily clothed women. Super easy to get alcohol/party your face off if you are into that. There is a predicted 1million people coming to Sturgis SD over the course of a week. Soooo it's going to be crazy.

Profahoben_212Also listen to Mr. Huck about SD weather....we have some of the most random weather I have ever seen. Ive had school cancelled due to snow in September....then by noon it was 75*.

Some guy died last year in a rainstorm about a mile from his car on a hike. Would have lived had he brought a raincoat, so just be prepared.

And I forgot to mention the Sturgis rally....super fun time to be here. Plus it is the 75th anniversary, so shit is going to get crazy. Always great concerts and scantily clothed women. Super easy to get alcohol/party your face off if you are into that. There is a predicted 1million people coming to Sturgis SD over the course of a week. Soooo it's going to be crazy.

Thanks for the info! Tho the part of the trip were focusing on is more once we get out west! Sturgis does sound like something a true American must do/see

Profahoben_212Also listen to Mr. Huck about SD weather....we have some of the most random weather I have ever seen. Ive had school cancelled due to snow in September....then by noon it was 75*.

Some guy died last year in a rainstorm about a mile from his car on a hike. Would have lived had he brought a raincoat, so just be prepared.

And I forgot to mention the Sturgis rally....super fun time to be here. Plus it is the 75th anniversary, so shit is going to get crazy. Always great concerts and scantily clothed women. Super easy to get alcohol/party your face off if you are into that. There is a predicted 1million people coming to Sturgis SD over the course of a week. Soooo it's going to be crazy.

iskiPC1997Thanks for the info! Tho the part of the trip were focusing on is more once we get out west! Sturgis does sound like something a true American must do/see

Rally week is always the 1st week in August. I agree with Profahoben_212 that you need to check out the Needles Highway, but I would not do that during Rally Week unless you are on bikes and are comfortable riding in a train of bikes that stretches to the horizon. Sturgis is wild west chaos during Rally Week. It is a spectacle, and you can say you were there, but I preferred the incredible rides like Needles and Custer and hitting the small towns like Deadwood and Spearfish. I would sight see on the way out and possible hit Rally Week on the way back, but count on it taking you over and hour to go 2 miles.

timpy is a great hike, just be prepared to be out there all day, and you guys probably wont get back to your car('s) till sundown. amazing views, though. they will blow your mind.

camp in the black hills and along the Madison in Montana. You will regret neither.

Mr.HuckRally week is always the 1st week in August. I agree with Profahoben_212 that you need to check out the Needles Highway, but I would not do that during Rally Week unless you are on bikes and are comfortable riding in a train of bikes that stretches to the horizon. Sturgis is wild west chaos during Rally Week. It is a spectacle, and you can say you were there, but I preferred the incredible rides like Needles and Custer and hitting the small towns like Deadwood and Spearfish. I would sight see on the way out and possible hit Rally Week on the way back, but count on it taking you over and hour to go 2 miles.

Very good points...I would not plan on seeing any thing on in the end of june/august in a timely matter...and there is 0 chancr of getting hotels/ camping spaces. You would have to actually camp in the woods at this time, which may not beba big deal...I would agree with hitting cool stuff on the way there and then Sturgis on the way back. Shit is going to be insane....it's supposed to be 3-4 times bigger than most years. It is something everybody should go to at some point in their life, and the biggest one ever would be awesome for a first.

Did you live in SD? You know a lot.

DeebieSkeebiestimpy is a great hike, just be prepared to be out there all day, and you guys probably wont get back to your car('s) till sundown. amazing views, though. they will blow your mind.

Is it better to summit then camp at emerald lake or somewhere on the way down for the night? It is beautiful for sure

Profahoben_212Very good points...I would not plan on seeing any thing on in the end of june/august in a timely matter...and there is 0 chancr of getting hotels/ camping spaces. You would have to actually camp in the woods at this time, which may not beba big deal...I would agree with hitting cool stuff on the way there and then Sturgis on the way back. Shit is going to be insane....it's supposed to be 3-4 times bigger than most years. It is something everybody should go to at some point in their life, and the biggest one ever would be awesome for a first.

Did you live in SD? You know a lot.

I went to Rally Week 4 years in a row. That was pre niños. It was insanely sick riding the Black Hills. It is so amazing, but you feel like you could die at any moment. That feeling started the first year I went. I rode out solo and was almost there. It was getting dark and I hit a massive pothole that had been built up into a lip. My 76 Electraglide was completely loaded with my gear and it looked like something a homeless person would be pushing down the street. Next thing I know, I am 4 feet off the ground doing like an involuntary superman seat grab, at about 60 MPH.

It's also nuts when you are sitting in a bar enjoying a beer and you suddenly realize that there is a table full of Hell's Angels in front of you and the table behind you is occupied by the Son's of Silence, and all you can do is be ready to duck when they start shooting each other.

iskiPC1997Thanks man!! you think its too much tho? We wanna keep it under 14 days, for our jobs sake, parties, last summer of highschool etc. Thanks!

I'll post more tomorrow when I'm on my laptop and can type more easily, but IMO you should narrow your list down. I like to ask myself: "If this was the only time I got to see this stuff/place/thing before I die, would I be satisfied?" Make sure you don't sacrifice the quality of the experience at each place by trying to squeeze too much in.

mirozI'll post more tomorrow when I'm on my laptop and can type more easily, but IMO you should narrow your list down. I like to ask myself: "If this was the only time I got to see this stuff/place/thing before I die, would I be satisfied?" Make sure you don't sacrifice the quality of the experience at each place by trying to squeeze too much in.

This is true. Casey and I went on a WA to SD trip last summer. We stayed in Moses lake, Coeur d'alene, bozeman, yellowstone, black hills, and pierre. We both agreed that if we could do it again we would spend all of our time along the river in Montana.

Okay, to post a bit more. I don't know much about camping but I can tell you about my experiences in some of these parks and hikes that will be good to do.

Badlands NP
Great to drive through - the road system is really nice and you can access a lot of vistas and cool spots right off the road. I'd recommend doing a short hike, not more than an hour or so, so you can get on top of some stuff...but you'll see a lot from the road.

Yellowstone
What you put in is what you get out, here. So much of the park is really "accessible," which confused me a bit. On one hand, it's great that its so available for all to see but on the other, its kind of lame to see 300 lb park rangers waddling amongst 300 lb park visitors seeing spectacular natural stuff that you usually have to work really hard to get to. It was just interesting, is all.

Thus, for the main stuff at Yellowstone, it's less about hiking and more about planning your day. Old Faithful is cool, but everyone and their mom stops there. If you're willing to walk, there's a short hike to an overlook that would give you an awesome view. When you're standing on the platform by the rail with the cafeteria behind you (lol), look right up the hill, and you'll see the overlook. I haven't been up there but it shouldn't be hard to find.

The Rainbow pool (or whatever it's called) is super cool. It's neat to walk the boardwalks in it, but I recommend going a little bit farther down the road (towards Old Faithful) and stopping at the next turn in. From there, you can walk down a dirt path and then up a hill side (it doesn't really look like you're supposed to be there, and maybe you aren't) but you get an awesome view down on the pool and you can really see the different colors.

There's a ton of other stuff at Yellowstone, but for the most part I didn't see a lot of that. I went with people who hadn't been there before and I found it hard to make it off the beaten path. I think Yellowstone is an unbelievable environment and really worth seeing, but I'm not sure I got much out of it (and I've spent multiple weekends there). I'll need to go back.

Tetons
So sick. You'll love the Tetons. How fit is your group? Depending on how in shape you all are and what you're up for, I can recommend you a number of things. I spent a good bit of time in the Tetons two summers ago and can give you some directions.

Disappointment Peak is a great hike if you only have time for one. It gives you breathtaking views of the main Teton peaks (except Moran) and an unrivaled look down into the valley. There's a lake to swim in on the way up, and a couple scrambles to entertain you amid the walking. Too fun.

http://www.summitpost.org/disappointment-peak/153638

If you're trying to go harder/farther but don't have climbing gear, the Middle Teton was a great hike. I did most of it in the dark with people who knew where they were going. I don't think I'd do this one without a guide or experienced friend, but I'd be happy to hook you up with a name if you're interested.

http://www.summitpost.org/middle-teton/150981

In addition to these two (which were my two favorites), there are a number of smaller hikes around the main areas of the NP. I'm sure a lot of these will be great, if slightly more crowded. If you're feeling adventurous, you can access the Tetons from the backside, which means you don't have to pay. If you come in from the other side (Driggs), you'll be on the same side of the range as Grand Targhee. Table Mountain is an awesome hike that brings you right up to the backside of the Grand. Alaska Basin is unbelievably expansive and really beautiful in the summer. Both are places you wouldn't get to from the frontside without backpacking.

http://www.summitpost.org/table-mountain/152764
http://www.summitpost.org/alaska-basin/700323

MAKE SURE YOU HAVE BEARSPRAY. Wear bells, keep track of your food, and be smart.

Zion/Bryce
I went to these two when I was much younger (with parents) and most certainly need to go back. There are tons of Utah NSers who could tell you more about these.

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I haven't been to Arches/Heber but I'm sure they're great. I still think you need to sit down and really plan what's realistic for you to do in your 2 weeks. Considering that you have to factor in all that travel time, I think the number of places you want to check off (and I really mean 'check off') is absolutely unrealistic. IMO you should divide your trip in half (1: Badlands, Devil's Tower, Rushmore (not included in the NP pass), Yellowstone, Tetons; 2: Heber, SLC, Zion, Arches, Bryce) and do the other half another time. I think you should maximize your time in each spot so that you're not missing out on experiences in any of them and so you're not stressing about fitting it all in. This is supposed to be a reward, a nice fun trip with your friends, not a frantic race to see and do too much.

instead of arches, go through the maze district in canyonlands. can make for a cool multi day camping trip, good hikes, and you probably wont see another person. check out the doll house if you're there. Arches is ok but overrated, you can drive through it and hit some quick hikes, see some cool arches in just a couple hours.

Lots of good info in here! I haven't read through all of it yet, so I apologize if this is super repetitive.

It might be hard to do all that in two weeks, just a warning. Except for Timp all those places deserve as much time as you can possibly afford to give them. I did Timp a few weeks ago and it was only around 8 hours car to car, and that was with some snow up higher and chilling at the top for a while.

In Yellowstone don't miss Grand Prismatic Spring, and bring your camera. Grizzlies can be sketch in Yellowstone so don't be an idiot with your food and such. I also thought the petrified ancient trees in Yellowstone were awesome but I can see those not impressing everyone. And of course you can't go to Yellowstone and not see Old Faithful. It's not really the coolest thing there but it's still a must-do.

Make sure you hike down into Bryce, don't just look at it from the rim. Bryce is one of my favorites, it is really a cool place.

Angel's Landing in Zion is a short hike (hour and a half ish) but really sick assuming heights don't bother you. (If heights do bother you, you can still do 90% of the hike just fine. The last section is cliffy but there is a chain you can hang onto.) My fb profile picture is me at the top of Angel's Landing if you want to see what it's like:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=792374473163&set=a.552994407733.2079463.12203060&type=1&theater

You don't need any permits or anything for that one either which is nice. The Subway is also supposed to be epic in Zion (I havent done that one but its on my list) but I believe getting permits for it can be a little bit complicated.

I love the petroglyphs at Arches, if you're into that sort of thing they're pretty sick. Delicate Arch is impressive and is a fun, easy hike - that's the one you'll see pictured on the Utah license plates. Also if you like mountain biking, Moab is world class. I did the Slick Rock trail last summer (its a roughly ten mile loop) and it's amazing. Not easy though - I had to walk my bike a solid amount of it haha. Still I'd HIGHLY recommend doing it, and you can just rent the bikes for a day for around $50.

Haven't been to the Badlands and the Grand Teton hike is actually on my list for this summer as well. Maybe I'll see you up there!

I also would recommend getting a portable water filter if you don't have one already so you can drink out of streams and muddy puddles. It's going to be HOT and you're going to need lots of water. Obviously water is going to be more scarce in places like Arches though so make sure you prepare for that. Also, SUNSCREEN.

some of the best helpful answers ive seen in a while in this thread, big ups guys. and OP i'm jealous, have fun dude

definitely a thermarest, you're going to want to rest your back comfortably, it also insulates you from the ground

Oh also: There is a stone shelter about the size of a large garden shed near Emerald Lake on Timp. It's roughly 3/4 up the mountain. You can sleep in it or set up a tent. Look up Timpanogos shelter, it's in this incredibly beautiful field with an amazing view. When I was there a few weeks ago there was a big herd of mountain goats hanging out around it. Like I said in my other post Timp is easily done in a day, but it could be fun for you guys to spend a summer night camping high up in the mountains! If you decide to do that I suggest NOT going on a weekend, it will be much more crowded than it would be on like a random tuesday.

GUYS THANK YOU SO MUCH HOLY SHIT!!

snowdonOh also: There is a stone shelter about the size of a large garden shed near Emerald Lake on Timp. It's roughly 3/4 up the mountain. You can sleep in it or set up a tent. Look up Timpanogos shelter, it's in this incredibly beautiful field with an amazing view. When I was there a few weeks ago there was a big herd of mountain goats hanging out around it. Like I said in my other post Timp is easily done in a day, but it could be fun for you guys to spend a summer night camping high up in the mountains! If you decide to do that I suggest NOT going on a weekend, it will be much more crowded than it would be on like a random tuesday.

Ill probably have questions come up about that hike so can i pm sometime? Its literally the part of the trip im looking forward too the most.

i know nothing about the first half of your adventure, but i've done southern UT a few times mountain biking. We didn't spend a ton of time in Zion itself, but in the general area.

The camping in Zion in the summer will be crowded, which is cool if you want to chat up your tent neighbors. If not, head outside of Zion to gooseberry mesa. It's about half an hour or so from Zion, and is in the area where Red Bull Rampage is hosted. It's all primitive camping, first come first serve, so i don't think you can reserve a spot, but we found a nice, large site that comfortably fit 5 tents. We were about 50 yards from the edge of the mesa, which made for a pretty killer sunset right from our site.

For Arches, there's plenty of camping to be found nearby. Sand flats in Moab is right near the Slick Rock trail that someone previously mentioned. Nice sites, fire rings, tables, toilets, etc, but seem to fill up pretty quickly. There's also spots right on the river just outside Moab, at the end of the Porcupine Rim trail. The water is a bit deep and moves pretty quickly there so I don't know that i'd recommend trying to swim, but if it's a hot day, being near the river will keep things cooler. If that fails ya, head about 5 miles outside Moab (past the turn-off up the canyon along the river) out to the BLM land by the Moab Brand trails. If you go far enough into the camping area, it actually takes you to the edge of Arches NP. It's a pretty fun drive if you've got an SUV that can handle some light off-roading, but i wouldn't go too far into the BLM campground with a Honda Accord or something like that.

Being that you're hitting southern UT, if you mountain bike at all, or have any remote interest in it, definitely take a half day and hit of some trails in Moab. I wouldn't say Slickrock is really all that difficult from a technical standpoint. It's a weird workout due to the constantly changing angles and pitches of the rock, but most of it comes down to trusting that your tires WILL grip the rock, regardless of the fact that your brain will tell you they shouldn't. If you're up for a bit more of an adventure with some better riding and more difficult terrain, head to poison spider bike shop in moab, rent a bike and take the enchilada shuttle up to burro pass. It'll be an all day thing, basically, but it's about 25 miles of some of the most highly acclaimed riding in the country. You go through something like 5 different distinct climates over the course of the ride, see some high alpine lakes, the 'slickrock' that Moab is famous for, and lots of awesome flowy and techy singletrack.

iskiPC1997Ill probably have questions come up about that hike so can i pm sometime? Its literally the part of the trip im looking forward too the most.

For sure!

mirozOkay, to post a bit more. I don't know much about camping but I can tell you about my experiences in some of these parks and hikes that will be good to do.

Badlands NP
Great to drive through - the road system is really nice and you can access a lot of vistas and cool spots right off the road. I'd recommend doing a short hike, not more than an hour or so, so you can get on top of some stuff...but you'll see a lot from the road.

Yellowstone
What you put in is what you get out, here. So much of the park is really "accessible," which confused me a bit. On one hand, it's great that its so available for all to see but on the other, its kind of lame to see 300 lb park rangers waddling amongst 300 lb park visitors seeing spectacular natural stuff that you usually have to work really hard to get to. It was just interesting, is all.

Thus, for the main stuff at Yellowstone, it's less about hiking and more about planning your day. Old Faithful is cool, but everyone and their mom stops there. If you're willing to walk, there's a short hike to an overlook that would give you an awesome view. When you're standing on the platform by the rail with the cafeteria behind you (lol), look right up the hill, and you'll see the overlook. I haven't been up there but it shouldn't be hard to find.

The Rainbow pool (or whatever it's called) is super cool. It's neat to walk the boardwalks in it, but I recommend going a little bit farther down the road (towards Old Faithful) and stopping at the next turn in. From there, you can walk down a dirt path and then up a hill side (it doesn't really look like you're supposed to be there, and maybe you aren't) but you get an awesome view down on the pool and you can really see the different colors.

There's a ton of other stuff at Yellowstone, but for the most part I didn't see a lot of that. I went with people who hadn't been there before and I found it hard to make it off the beaten path. I think Yellowstone is an unbelievable environment and really worth seeing, but I'm not sure I got much out of it (and I've spent multiple weekends there). I'll need to go back.

Tetons
So sick. You'll love the Tetons. How fit is your group? Depending on how in shape you all are and what you're up for, I can recommend you a number of things. I spent a good bit of time in the Tetons two summers ago and can give you some directions.

Disappointment Peak is a great hike if you only have time for one. It gives you breathtaking views of the main Teton peaks (except Moran) and an unrivaled look down into the valley. There's a lake to swim in on the way up, and a couple scrambles to entertain you amid the walking. Too fun.

http://www.summitpost.org/disappointment-peak/153638

If you're trying to go harder/farther but don't have climbing gear, the Middle Teton was a great hike. I did most of it in the dark with people who knew where they were going. I don't think I'd do this one without a guide or experienced friend, but I'd be happy to hook you up with a name if you're interested.

http://www.summitpost.org/middle-teton/150981

In addition to these two (which were my two favorites), there are a number of smaller hikes around the main areas of the NP. I'm sure a lot of these will be great, if slightly more crowded. If you're feeling adventurous, you can access the Tetons from the backside, which means you don't have to pay. If you come in from the other side (Driggs), you'll be on the same side of the range as Grand Targhee. Table Mountain is an awesome hike that brings you right up to the backside of the Grand. Alaska Basin is unbelievably expansive and really beautiful in the summer. Both are places you wouldn't get to from the frontside without backpacking.

http://www.summitpost.org/table-mountain/152764
http://www.summitpost.org/alaska-basin/700323

MAKE SURE YOU HAVE BEARSPRAY. Wear bells, keep track of your food, and be smart.

Zion/Bryce
I went to these two when I was much younger (with parents) and most certainly need to go back. There are tons of Utah NSers who could tell you more about these.

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I haven't been to Arches/Heber but I'm sure they're great. I still think you need to sit down and really plan what's realistic for you to do in your 2 weeks. Considering that you have to factor in all that travel time, I think the number of places you want to check off (and I really mean 'check off') is absolutely unrealistic. IMO you should divide your trip in half (1: Badlands, Devil's Tower, Rushmore (not included in the NP pass), Yellowstone, Tetons; 2: Heber, SLC, Zion, Arches, Bryce) and do the other half another time. I think you should maximize your time in each spot so that you're not missing out on experiences in any of them and so you're not stressing about fitting it all in. This is supposed to be a reward, a nice fun trip with your friends, not a frantic race to see and do too much.

If our target timeline is roughly mid july, after the 4th at least. When do you think itll be best to visit yellowstone, Early in the week? Or is it not a big difference from weekday to weekend?
Also, when do you think we need to make campsite reservations by?
Thanks again!!

thread is tl;dr

yellowstone is cool, glacier is like a million times more impressive and definitely worth the drive

save yourself some money and camp in the National Forests and BLM land around the parks. Get in touch with the ranger stations for the district to find out the rules on dispersed camping. NP's are in cool places, the public land around them is usually worth a visit as well.

If you're driving in utah with pot, or underage with alcohol, watch the fuck out.

One thing I'll say about camping. Unless you are going to do a multi day hike, I recommend camping outside the park boundaries. I've done two road trips around the park system in western usa and we would just find a nice backroad and find somewhere to camp out for the night. Free, close to where you want to be without the tourist crowd surrounding you. If iteans out gotta wake up 30min earlier it's totally worth it. Google earth is your friend when going this route.

If you can't find it don't want to search for free spots, look for the rec sites around - first come, first serve for the most part - $5/night. Super cheep.

BUMP. does anyone have reccomendations for easy over night hikes in yellowstone. Or at least a sizable one day hike? High peak with great views are desired!

this thread is awesome. planning on doing something like this for spring break!

Mr.HuckI went to Rally Week 4 years in a row. That was pre niños. It was insanely sick riding the Black Hills. It is so amazing, but you feel like you could die at any moment. That feeling started the first year I went. I rode out solo and was almost there. It was getting dark and I hit a massive pothole that had been built up into a lip. My 76 Electraglide was completely loaded with my gear and it looked like something a homeless person would be pushing down the street. Next thing I know, I am 4 feet off the ground doing like an involuntary superman seat grab, at about 60 MPH.

It's also nuts when you are sitting in a bar enjoying a beer and you suddenly realize that there is a table full of Hell's Angels in front of you and the table behind you is occupied by the Son's of Silence, and all you can do is be ready to duck when they start shooting each other.

Yeah its crazy....there is always construction during that time because we can only dig during the summer....and it makes for some insane backups/shitty situations.

Coolest thing I saw was a group of hells angels soluting a 300+person column of vetrans for the duration of it as they passed each other.

Also in another situation a hell angel pulled a knife on my boss when he told them they needed to move their bikes from handicap zones. They are not somebody you want to fuck with.

iskiPC1997If our target timeline is roughly mid july, after the 4th at least. When do you think itll be best to visit yellowstone, Early in the week? Or is it not a big difference from weekday to weekend?
Also, when do you think we need to make campsite reservations by?
Thanks again!!

Midweek will probably be a little quieter than weekend, if you can manage that. But it'll be pretty popular in general because it's summer.

I'm not sure about campsite reservations. When I camped in Yellowstone (and the Tetons for that matter), we were lucky to find an unclaimed campsite when we arrived late at night. We didn't pay to camp, nor did we pay to enter the park (you don't have to pay for entrance if you arrive after the park gate closes). However, there's a little box on one of the main bulletin boards where you can leave money (which we did, because NPs are legit and it's not too spensive).

mirozMidweek will probably be a little quieter than weekend, if you can manage that. But it'll be pretty popular in general because it's summer.

I'm not sure about campsite reservations. When I camped in Yellowstone (and the Tetons for that matter), we were lucky to find an unclaimed campsite when we arrived late at night. We didn't pay to camp, nor did we pay to enter the park (you don't have to pay for entrance if you arrive after the park gate closes). However, there's a little box on one of the main bulletin boards where you can leave money (which we did, because NPs are legit and it's not too spensive).

Awesome! what would be the best hike to do in yellowstone? like a fairly easy overnighter

Profahoben_212Yeah its crazy....there is always construction during that time because we can only dig during the summer....and it makes for some insane backups/shitty situations.

Coolest thing I saw was a group of hells angels soluting a 300+person column of vetrans for the duration of it as they passed each other.

Also in another situation a hell angel pulled a knife on my boss when he told them they needed to move their bikes from handicap zones. They are not somebody you want to fuck with.

Yeah, sorry for thread jack. But if you see an Angel with a Filthy Few patch on, be especially careful. These are the guys who have killed for the club.