Another Malaysian Airlines jet goes missing.

.RYAN66I just recently flew through that part of the world, and I must say with the crazy amount of changing airspace it is not hard for a jet and ATC to have some pretty big communication issues. weak radios, most controllers speak very minimal english and only enough to get by. and they usually speak their native language when communicating with pilots that also speak it. so it is hard to tell what other jets are doing and their intentions.


I heard a jet and ATC get into it because he flew into Japanese air space yet the pilot spoke very poor english along with the controller and did not speak Japanese.

So that is my response to the how can ATC loose a jet, it is a lot harder than many think.

now for a jet to completely go black, the pilot would have to turn off all radios, radar, and stop squaking. squak basically sends out a signal that gets detected by other jets and ATC.

that is highly unlikely to happen without someone noticing.

The sad part is is that if a jet were to completely just fall off the radar immediately, it more than likely had a manifold fail or something else that caused it to explode in the air.

Even if the pilots were to both go hypoxic they would still be on radar and squaking so ATC could follow them until the plane landed/crashed.

.RYAN66I just recently flew through that part of the world, and I must say with the crazy amount of changing airspace it is not hard for a jet and ATC to have some pretty big communication issues. weak radios, most controllers speak very minimal english and only enough to get by. and they usually speak their native language when communicating with pilots that also speak it. so it is hard to tell what other jets are doing and their intentions.


I heard a jet and ATC get into it because he flew into Japanese air space yet the pilot spoke very poor english along with the controller and did not speak Japanese.

So that is my response to the how can ATC loose a jet, it is a lot harder than many think.

now for a jet to completely go black, the pilot would have to turn off all radios, radar, and stop squaking. squak basically sends out a signal that gets detected by other jets and ATC.

that is highly unlikely to happen without someone noticing.

The sad part is is that if a jet were to completely just fall off the radar immediately, it more than likely had a manifold fail or something else that caused it to explode in the air.

Even if the pilots were to both go hypoxic they would still be on radar and squaking so ATC could follow them until the plane landed/crashed.

.RYAN66I just recently flew through that part of the world, and I must say with the crazy amount of changing airspace it is not hard for a jet and ATC to have some pretty big communication issues. weak radios, most controllers speak very minimal english and only enough to get by. and they usually speak their native language when communicating with pilots that also speak it. so it is hard to tell what other jets are doing and their intentions.


I heard a jet and ATC get into it because he flew into Japanese air space yet the pilot spoke very poor english along with the controller and did not speak Japanese.

So that is my response to the how can ATC loose a jet, it is a lot harder than many think.

now for a jet to completely go black, the pilot would have to turn off all radios, radar, and stop squaking. squak basically sends out a signal that gets detected by other jets and ATC.

that is highly unlikely to happen without someone noticing.

The sad part is is that if a jet were to completely just fall off the radar immediately, it more than likely had a manifold fail or something else that caused it to explode in the air.

Even if the pilots were to both go hypoxic they would still be on radar and squaking so ATC could follow them until the plane landed/crashed.

DrZoidbergAnd wouldn't a ground based radar be able to pick the thing up if they tried? The actual metal hull, not the planes squack signals. I can understand a brief loss of contact, but this is the second plane that just disappears off the face of the earth an remains untraceable? I don't get it.

And yeah, what suddenly happened? We have higher tech stuff than ever, and we're just losing planes now? How was any year before this so successful?

twoodwardoThis is what I don't get either. I know nothing about aviation, but you'd think with all the technology, and how successful flight has been. WTF is going on now. Shouldn't there be something that is trackable?

Dustin.My theory: Asian cultures are below average in regards to the aviation industry.

References: History

Supporting References: Recent history

NinetyFourThe crew over at CNN is going to be fired up no doubt.

omnidataAirAsia was pretty decent, until yesterday they kept a clean safety record throughout its years of operations.
Flightglobal's Ascend Fleets database shows only a minor incident (no injuries to passengers nor crew) involving the carrier on 25 May 2007.

General_RipperI was in Chicago for work and talked to a retired pilot at a bar who now teaches pilot communication to the major airline companies.

He said that a majority of all plane crashes are caused from poor communication with the pilot/co pilot/air traffic control

JenniferGarnerOf course he told you that. If he told you the truth that it was something else, he wouldn't have a job.

JenniferGarnerOf course he told you that. If he told you the truth that it was something else, he wouldn't have a job.

Dustin.He said that a majority of all plane crashes are caused from poor communication with the pilot/co pilot/air traffic control etc. He also said in Asia Captains have too much power and they rarely get questioned by their co pilots even if they are wrong, which then results in more mistakes.

Quoting to support my previous point because it's completely true. They suck, and this is a big reason why. Remember the pilots who plowed an airliner into the San Francisco ground after staring at the runway for 5 minutes?

cobra_commanderI think that the fact that this was an airbus than Air Asia flight. same type of aircraft that went down on the hudson.

fujaromeThat was US airways 1549. Same exact type of plane, but what brought it down was the engines ingesting a flock of geese at low altitude. This one reminds me more of air France 447, which disappeared over the Atlantic.

Supposedly this air Asia flight flew directly into or over a massive thunderstorm, which generally is a no go. Could also explain why the plane hasn't been found where it was supposed to be. Thunderstorms can knock things around in strange ways.

fujaromeThat was US airways 1549. Same exact type of plane, but what brought it down was the engines ingesting a flock of geese at low altitude. This one reminds me more of air France 447, which disappeared over the Atlantic.

Supposedly this air Asia flight flew directly into or over a massive thunderstorm, which generally is a no go. Could also explain why the plane hasn't been found where it was supposed to be. Thunderstorms can knock things around in strange ways.

cobra_commanderScare Bus planes have less redundancy than those held up ion production by Unions in Seattle. They also give the control system the final say in what goes on, not the pilot.

theabortionatorMaybe I'll take a flight with them if this drives the prices low enough. I bet if you book the day after these stories break you could get a fucking deal.