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Technicality v.s. Style.

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TurquoiseGrizzly
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Let me start off by saying, I AM NOT against technical tricks and I am not saying there is no style in technical tricks, but is a certain amount of style being sacrificed by too much technicality?

Granted in competition such as the Dew Tour, X Games etc. technicality is pretty much THE key factor and some technical tricks are very stylish. Even though it is difficult and hard to master and takes serious skill, when you hop around on a rail spinning 3 or 4 different times in multiple directions not being able to keep track of what it is your doing(swop this swop that), there is a certain lack of style. LJ Sternio and Will Wesson have mastered these to a T and there is a certain style to it, but what about those slow rotating, grabs for days, tweaking it out, style masters like Keefer, John Ware, Parker White, etc.

I love watching the competitions, but I'd rather see a silky smooth stylish edit. That's just my opinion of course.

What's your take on it NS?
Dec 12 2014 9:41AM
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YoungJ
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You seem to be the only one on ns with this viewpoint.
Dec 12 2014 9:59AM
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freestyler540
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Its really how you want to define the sport.

X-games, dew tour, red bull events... they are one side of the sport. They get more exposure for sure, and the tricks they throw down is based on a criteria. Also, they have stomp every trick on the first try; that is the mental aspect. Some people thrive on it.

You can look at it through video. These guys are all about visual perfection. They still throw down, but they can try until its perfect. Filming can be very difficult and editing is an art of its own.

You can look at it through expeditions. Some rad guys you have never heard of are out there skiing and camping for a month. They want to ski the untracked stuff. You can fit heli skiing in here too.

You can teach skiing too. Ski instructors can make a living and there is a possibility of fame in there too. Being able to learn skiing in detail is a really hard thing.

You can look at it through playing in the snow. There are a lot of you that are rad skiers waiting for a break to get noticed. These guys can throw down just for the fun of it.

So technical over style? for me its doing everything really well that wins
Dec 12 2014 10:03AM
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TurquoiseGrizzly
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YoungJYou seem to be the only one on ns with this viewpoint.


You're right. So many people voiced their opinion before you being the first post.

freestyler540Its really how you want to define the sport.

X-games, dew tour, red bull events... they are one side of the sport. They get more exposure for sure, and the tricks they throw down is based on a criteria. Also, they have stomp every trick on the first try; that is the mental aspect. Some people thrive on it.

You can look at it through video. These guys are all about visual perfection. They still throw down, but they can try until its perfect. Filming can be very difficult and editing is an art of its own.

You can look at it through expeditions. Some rad guys you have never heard of are out there skiing and camping for a month. They want to ski the untracked stuff. You can fit heli skiing in here too.

You can teach skiing too. Ski instructors can make a living and there is a possibility of fame in there too. Being able to learn skiing in detail is a really hard thing.

You can look at it through playing in the snow. There are a lot of you that are rad skiers waiting for a break to get noticed. These guys can throw down just for the fun of it.

So technical over style? for me its doing everything really well that wins


I like it. Well spoken.
Dec 12 2014 10:11AM
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270on420out
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I hate when this question pops up. What is considered stylish, and what is considered technical varies from person to person. Therefore there is no answer.
Dec 12 2014 10:12AM
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losh
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im all about style and huge grabs, with slow rotation and stuff. I think its more fun to watch
Dec 12 2014 10:24AM
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jackdonovan
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style is definetly more fun to watch, but its cool to see the technicality some of the competitors have.
Dec 12 2014 10:27AM
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TurquoiseGrizzly
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I would consider both of those stylish. I'm talking about tricks that are just hucked and chucked versus having to time out your trick and knowing the perfect amount of rotation and how long that grab is held.

But I do see your point.
Dec 12 2014 12:09PM
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L0gic
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There should be an xgames based on style. The criteria would be really hard to come up with, but something based off style would be fun to watch. This could also allow many other unknown skiiers who can't do triples but can slay urban and butter everything to become known to the world.
Dec 12 2014 2:40PM
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L0gic
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There should be an xgames based on style. The criteria would be really hard to come up with, but something based off style would be fun to watch. This could also allow many other unknown skiiers who can't do triples but can slay urban and butter everything to become known to the world.
Dec 12 2014 2:40PM
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FunkySane
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Creativity.
Dec 12 2014 2:42PM
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FunkySaneCreativity.

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Dec 12 2014 3:01PM
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justinchapman
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Style is how smooth and steezy you make the trick
Technicality is the number of flips and spins and 360s you can put in a certain area

I'm all about the style, much more fun to watch
Dec 12 2014 4:20PM
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percs
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Another one of these threads
Dec 12 2014 5:43PM
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S.J.W
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https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/743018/Jossi-wells-run-5-GoPro-Ski-Big-Air-final-at-X-Games-Aspen-2014

Your argument is invalid
Dec 12 2014 5:46PM
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TurquoiseGrizzly
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ChubbyBoyYour argument is invalid


It's not supposed to be an argument, it's supposed to be a discussion.
Dec 12 2014 5:51PM
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S.J.W
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MrGnarlsonIt's not supposed to be an argument, it's supposed to be a discussion.


Argument: a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory.

Discussion:the action or process of talking about something in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.
Dec 12 2014 6:01PM
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S.J.W
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MrGnarlsonIt's not supposed to be an argument, it's supposed to be a discussion.


Argument: a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory.

Discussion:the action or process of talking about something in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.
Dec 12 2014 6:01PM
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casey_cope
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technicality takes balls. Style doesn't. I like it when people have style but when it gets down to it technicality takes more balls, thus it is more impressive.
Dec 12 2014 6:41PM
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TheButterHashira
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I think the rift between style and technicality is being closed for the most part because even in contests the skiers have their technical shit down so good that they are putting their style into it too. To me Henrik is such a great example of a crazy technical skier who puts his style into everything. When henrik does a nosebutter trip 16 it still just oozes with his style. Same goes for jossis triple.
In 1999 at the x games that switch 7 was either the first or one of the first ever performed and it was sketchy by our standards but back then the sheer technicality of it made it superior to the other jumps. These days adding an extra 180 to a 1440 isn't really that crazy and it seems like everyone is putting a great emphasis on style and doing everything clean. I think it's good because it seems like most people just riding for fun are going for smoothness and trying to have good style and that keeps individuals from doing stuff that is too sketchy for them.
Dec 12 2014 7:24PM
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deeppow96
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What if Xgames big air was scored out of best three tricks, but one of them could not be above say a 720, or no more than say one invert? Some type of limit that would allow riders to go HUGE with smaller, tweaked-the-fuck-out tricks. That way it may not appear to be spin to win.

*note, I am NOT saying there cannot be style in big tricks, because every rider puts their own stamp on their trick
Dec 12 2014 8:54PM
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Oli_Kelski
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A few points to make:
1 - Style is almost always horribly misquoted on this site for some reason i.e. Jossi's sw trip=style, henrik=headbang/facedrag
2 - Technicality is more than just big tricks, it's more the difficulty and skill level of the trick i.e. a small trick with an impossible grab is technical, a double with no grab isn't really
3 - Competitions hardly contain any tech tricks, just big ones, as tech tricks are mostly too inconsistent in a comp
4 - or you just be Jordan Innes, case in point:
https://www.newschoolers.com/watch/631036.0/Back-on-Snow--+--Jordan-Innes-?t=6
Dec 12 2014 10:22PM
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Session
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What an original fucking thread.
Dec 12 2014 10:35PM
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jackdonovan
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SessionWhat an original fucking thread.


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Dec 13 2014 1:18PM
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Bogs
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MrGnarlsonYou're right. So many people voiced their opinion before you being the first post.


There have been countless threads made with a opening posts that are essentially identical to yours. It's a massive repost.
Dec 13 2014 10:04PM
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