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ZachAndCheeseSparknotes:
Raping = Bad
cool_name“I said no, no, and then I gave in.”
Since when is persuasion the same thing as rape, so what she said no at first, what matters is her opinion about them having sex as they actually began having sex, which judging by her quote saying she gave in, was that she was okay with it.
J.D.I wouldn't think about it like this; once she says no, just leave it alone. Don't continue to press the issue trying to change her mind because even if she says yes, there's always the later "well I was scared to keep saying no because he was so aggressive about it" possibility.
Just respect the decision. First because it's disrespectful and scummy to try to talk someone who doesn't want to have sex with you into having sex with you. But if you don't care about that, then do it because it's not worth the risk to you of having something like the above story happen.
savvy_skisad fact is that some guys do try this.say no and then they just beg and beg. its really fucking annoying and makes me feel uncomfortable as fuck
J.D.I wouldn't think about it like this; once she says no, just leave it alone. Don't continue to press the issue trying to change her mind because even if she says yes, there's always the later "well I was scared to keep saying no because he was so aggressive about it" possibility.
Just respect the decision. First because it's disrespectful and scummy to try to talk someone who doesn't want to have sex with you into having sex with you. But if you don't care about that, then do it because it's not worth the risk to you of having something like the above story happen.
J.D.I wouldn't think about it like this; once she says no, just leave it alone. Don't continue to press the issue trying to change her mind because even if she says yes, there's always the later "well I was scared to keep saying no because he was so aggressive about it" possibility.
Just respect the decision. First because it's disrespectful and scummy to try to talk someone who doesn't want to have sex with you into having sex with you. But if you don't care about that, then do it because it's not worth the risk to you of having something like the above story happen.
cool_name“I said no, no, and then I gave in.”
Since when is persuasion the same thing as rape, so what she said no at first, what matters is her opinion about them having sex as they actually began having sex, which judging by her quote saying she gave in, was that she was okay with it.
*SBCmingg*persuasion isn't rape... I mean, it is a very fucking shitty thing to do. But if a girl says okay, then she gives consent and there isn't anything illegal in that.
I've been associated with people who cry rape and it is absolutely terrible. Just because you fucked up and regret having sex does not give you the right to ruin someone else's fucking life.
Rape is fucking serious. It's one of the worst things someone could go through and live with. It's something no one would understand unless they have dealt with it. And it's just a shame some people accuse guys that they regret having sex with of it.
SPskier543This is definitely a growing problem at almost every college/university in the country. Girls need to understand that getting tipsy and unleashing your inner whore then regretting it is not rape, and there should be consequences for those who wrongfully accuse guys of it because even though the guy could be found not guilty, that shit sticks for years and years down the road. It also takes away the legitimacy and seriousness of ACTUAL rape and sexual assault. Hopefully they make an example of one of these girls falsely accusing in the very near future to deter anymore similar situations from occurring.
cool_nameI disagree, punishments for falsely accusing rape would surely make it even more difficult for someone who truly was raped to come forward
SPskier543How? People who falsely accuse anyone of anything are degenerates and deserved to be punished, especially with any situation regarding rape/sexual harassment as it is an incredibly serious matter. I've seen 2 recent false accusations cases of this at my school and it seriously fucks up the guys lives for the foreseeable future, and college and the years following graduation are pretty much the foundation to the rest of your life. The big issue is taking away the legitimacy from actual rape, I'm pretty sure any actual rape victim would agree. Rape and sexual assault is serious and should not be thrown around so commonly as it currently is.
exiledinbostonNo, they wouldnt, if you were actually raped there would be no way you would be punished
SPskier543How? People who falsely accuse anyone of anything are degenerates and deserved to be punished, especially with any situation regarding rape/sexual harassment as it is an incredibly serious matter. I've seen 2 recent false accusations cases of this at my school and it seriously fucks up the guys lives for the foreseeable future, and college and the years following graduation are pretty much the foundation to the rest of your life. The big issue is taking away the legitimacy from actual rape, I'm pretty sure any actual rape victim would agree. Rape and sexual assault is serious and should not be thrown around so commonly as it currently is.
cool_nameHow, by adding a whole other thing the victim has to worry about, who wouldn't be more scarred about coming forward if they know their is a risk of people saying they don't believe your story and you are now going to jail.
SPskier543I am saying there should be consequences for cases that is is CLEAR that it is a false accusation. If someone actually gets raped or assaulted, evidence should be fairly obvious but even if there is the slightest amount of evidence pointing towards legitimate assault in any case, obviously they wouldn't get in trouble for the false charge. This would be to deter and hopefully end the "I took 4 shots at a party and hooked up with a not so attractive guy. People found out, so now I am saying I was raped and taking him to court so I can remain popular" type cases.
*SBCmingg*Lets say there is too little of evidence to convict.. then what?
SPskier543In cases where there is sufficient evidence confirming a false accusation, that is when the accuser should be held responsible for their lying and false statements. If there is too little evidence pointing to either, obviosuly it would be wrong to apply it then. In one of the cases I've heard the girl eventually admitted to not being raped, but just having regret. She walked away from it and continued life like it never happened and continued being a slut while the guy had to continue dealing with that shit and lawyer fees and whatnot. Complete bullshit if you ask me.
cool_namethey realise the grave repercussions that will result from what they are about to do and they begin to have second thoughts, what are the chances that they come clean if doing so will result in them ending up in prison?
SPskier543So continue with the case and put the wrongfully accused guy in prison instead? This would be to deter and hopefully end these cases so this wouldn't be an issue. This discussion is pointless so I'm done now..
cool_nameThat is exactly what would of happened in the example you provided above if there were repercussions for lying. Yes, it may deter a few cases, but it would also cause people who may of before admitted to lying to hold to there story and follow through with putting an innocent man in jail.
Tell yourself whatever you want, we both know that you are done because you know you have lost, not because the discussion is the stupid
*SBCmingg*persuasion isn't rape... I mean, it is a very fucking shitty thing to do. But if a girl says okay, then she gives consent and there isn't anything illegal in that
connecticuntI almost punched a girl in the throat last year because of some stupid shit like this. She lived on my floor and we were talking one day and she asks if she can have my opinion on something so I say sure thinking it'll just be about a stupid outfit dilemma or something.
She then goes on to tell me about how she had sex with this guy that lived on the floor below us and then he fucked her roommate and she wanted to get back at him. So she asked me "even if I wanted to have sex then, now that I realize it was a mistake, can I say it was rape and sue him? I just want him out of this school so I don't have to be reminded of it anymore." I told her that if she did, I would definitely be in that court room talking about what she just told me and do everything in my power to defend the kid.
She was so pissed and "anonymously" reported me to our RA a couple times for things I wasn't doing. Such a fucking scumbag. But seriously guys protect yourself any way you can. It honestly wouldn't be a bad idea to have her sign something before you stick it in. Girls are fucking nuts and there are so many girls now who try to take advantage of the system. Yes rape is bad and when a someone gets raped, the rapist should be punished to the utmost extent. But this ruining someone's life forever just because he hit and quit is just as bad.
cool_nameI disagree, punishments for falsely accusing rape would surely make it even more difficult for someone who truly was raped to come forward, there already is a problem with victim blaming make it hard for some people to come out about what happened and punishment would clearly make it worse. Granted, I wish we could punish them, but I think the cons outweigh the pros in this case
VinnieFJust carry around a few of these. it totally won't kill the mood when you whip one out and ask her to sign it. staple a condom to it too, just to be extra prepared.
*SBCmingg*It's already hard enough to come forward. It would only add stress to the situation. Lets say there is too little of evidence to convict.. then what? Does the person get accused of a false accusation? Even if they weren't, to the public it could appear so and it would be way harder for the victim.
However I do think something needs to happen about false accusations. There are too many of them. Rape clearly is taken seriously and really should be. But because of this false accusations are not always identified.
SPskier543If there was a clear consequence to false accusations, any semi rational person would not risk it and not begin a case at all. People keep overlooking what happens to the accused in these situations, the accusers prances off and leaves the guy scrambling to keep his life from falling apart and watches as his future crumbles even when found not guilty, that case and non guilty verdict involving such a serious matter is still a HUGE negative scar on someones life, and especially in college where your real adult life is just beginning. These false accusations need to stop, not just continuing filtering through them to find the actual rape cases.
Now I'm done because I am getting up to go skiing in 5 hrs, jackass.
cool_nameHow, by adding a whole other thing the victim has to worry about, who wouldn't be more scarred about coming forward if they know their is a risk of people saying they don't believe your story and you are now going to jail.
J.D.It's basically a he-said, she-said
momsspaghettino it's not, are you really that naive?
it's a she said "i got raped", dude gets charged with sexual assault. that is not how our justice system is supposed to work.