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MOMENT "PB&J VS. TAHOE"

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SLEEK
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Newschoolers,

I have finally saved up the dough to pick up a medium-fat all mountain twin that I will take on some trips North and to the Midwest this year. I have decided between the (2014-Moment Tahoe-186cm) or the (2014-Moment PB&J-188cm). This will be my first ski on the fatter side and I am having a hard time deciding between the two and would like to hear some input from those of you who have experienced these skis personally.

For those of you who will ask, I am 6'0" 175lb, athletic build, who loves to charge hard. I live on the East "ICE" Coast but will take 3-5 trips per year. Usually to Breck or Alta. Rather than renting sticks, this year I intend to bring my own.

I am looking for the ski that will allow me to explore all over the mountain in almost all conditions. Deep powder is not a concern of mine as it will be a rare occurrence. More so chop, slush, bumps, hardpack, groomers, and of course boiler plate ice. I want to be be able to charge without feeling that my skis have a speed limit. I tend to huck natural features and will rarely take a lap in the park as I have other skis for that (Currently riding Moment Vice-186cm)on groomers and in the park. Stability on landings, playfulness in the bumps, and edge hold for railing large high speed turns is what I am looking for.

I know the PB&J will outperform as the snow gets deeper. My question is which would perform better all around? Especially if I decide to rip on the skis back on the East Coast from time to time where the snow is less ideal?

Thanks a bunch.
Dec 8 2014 3:56PM
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Ghini
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I hear nothing about switch?
Get the Tahoes. I shred the fuck out of them, really solid allround ski, not as stiff as a Governor but stiff enough to go fast.
Dec 8 2014 4:39PM
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.lencon
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I'll second the tahoes. They'll shred a lil better than the pb&j and still be pretty good out west depending on where you go and snowfall.
Dec 8 2014 7:13PM
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Scotty_Boy
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Are you limited to Moment?
Dec 8 2014 8:43PM
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ghosthop
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Another vote for tahoe. They have a damper feel to them and I think the mullet rocker does exactly what the marketing bs says it does and helps to bite. I was never all that impressed by the pb&j.
Dec 8 2014 9:44PM
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1kewldewd
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I would go PB&J if you ride switch often or Tahoe if you do not
Dec 8 2014 10:44PM
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SLEEK
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Wow thanks for the responses guys. I do ride switch on occasion usually when I am whipping little 180's or floaty 5's. Would it really be that hard to stomp a switch landing on the Tahoes on groomed snow? I like the idea of the extra tail bite for control and railing turns. How is the Tahoe in the bumps and crud where the tail could actually cause some hang up and make quick turns in bumps an issue?

Also, I am open to all manufacturers (but prefer smaller companies i.e. on3p etc.). I always wanted a set of ON3P skis especially the JMO's but I can't find a pair anymore. I am not sure if I am digging the Kartel 98 but I am sure its a great ski. What else is out there?
Dec 9 2014 9:06AM
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Scotty_Boy
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SLEEKWow thanks for the responses guys. I do ride switch on occasion usually when I am whipping little 180's or floaty 5's. Would it really be that hard to stomp a switch landing on the Tahoes on groomed snow? I like the idea of the extra tail bite for control and railing turns. How is the Tahoe in the bumps and crud where the tail could actually cause some hang up and make quick turns in bumps an issue?

Also, I am open to all manufacturers (but prefer smaller companies i.e. on3p etc.). I always wanted a set of ON3P skis especially the JMO's but I can't find a pair anymore. I am not sure if I am digging the Kartel 98 but I am sure its a great ski. What else is out there?


I would go with the Kartel 106 over the 98 since you won't be using them for park. Some other small brands you could look at are Batalla and KittenFactory.
Dec 9 2014 10:00AM
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last_tango
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I'm 5'11 220lbs and own 188 moment pb&j's. I grew up skiing the ice coast. I ski really fast 60+mph on groomers/ice and use to race but now ride some mellow park (360s rails and boxes with no kinks) and some big mountain stuff this season at big sky and every year make a trip to tucks in the spring.

The 188 pbj doesn't feel too fat to roll over and is stiff enough to grip the ice but even with the rocker on the 188 length I don't notice that squirrelyness you get with rocker. The flex is also supportive when you need it to be and is poppy. Load up the tails and you get some pretty decent pop. The ski likes to naturally do big gs turns but you can throw them/skid them into a smaller radius turn once the edges dull up a bit.

The only problem I see though is if I went shorter I would notice some loss of stability at speed and if you are skiing out east 188 is HUGE in the trees and bumps. You will gain out of going short is a fat, more park friendly ski that is good for skate style tricks. If you are the kind of park skier I am the 188 will be okay but if you ride park harder than I do you will be annoyed at the swing weight and overall length even in the 181 length.

Blister gear review has a review of the pbj as well http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2011-2012-moment-pbj-188cm-2
Dec 9 2014 10:51AM
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