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k-rob
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how many americans died from ebola recently? (1, and one visitor from another country) how many americans were/are scared of ebola? (about 40%, according to polls)

how many unarmed black men are killed by white cops in america? how many unarmed black CHILDREN are killed by white cops in america?
unfortunately, your government actually chooses not to keep track of these numbers, so i can't tell you. all i can say is that it happens almost every single day.

so this is what an epidemic looks like. this what black americans are afraid of. this is the nightmare every black american is now living in. how it isn't a nightmare for the rest of you, too, is beyond me. i live in canada and this shit keeps me up all night. i can only imagine how my jamaican cousins that moved to america to study feel, all i know is that they think it's time to leave, and i agree. do you?

the "go back to where you came from" mentality strikes an ironic chord with me (the irony of white americans all being immigrants chord was struck a while back), in that if all of the persecuted and marginalized groups in america did actually go elsewhere, what would america be? i imagine a nation in which crusty old racists clean their own toilets, for a change.
Dec 3 2014 7:59PM
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B.Aussie
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*CUMMINGS*I apologize; you don't say it but rather imply it. You're still wrong, though. As I stated already, the tests don't test "inherent" qualities; everything that's tested is a result of environmental and genetic factors. As such, there's no proof whatsoever that the two races aren't inherently equal.


I think he's saying regardless of the reasons why, "black" score lower on test which are used to measure intelligence such as IQ and SAT tests. So in a modern day society "blacks" would have on average lowered IQ. However due to repression, lowered focus on education ect are potentially the cause of this as to my knowledge there have been no studies on whether genetics play a factor in this difference, if you accept that there is a difference in the first place.
Dec 30 2014 1:06AM
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*TURBONERD*
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B.AussieI think he's saying regardless of the reasons why, "black" score lower on test which are used to measure intelligence such as IQ and SAT tests. So in a modern day society "blacks" would have on average lowered IQ. However due to repression, lowered focus on education ect are potentially the cause of this as to my knowledge there have been no studies on whether genetics play a factor in this difference, if you accept that there is a difference in the first place.


I absolutely understand that's what he's saying; I take issue with his statement that the reason for the score gap doesn't matter.
Dec 30 2014 1:18AM
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.frenchy
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B.AussieI think he's saying regardless of the reasons why, "black" score lower on test which are used to measure intelligence such as IQ and SAT tests. So in a modern day society "blacks" would have on average lowered IQ. However due to repression, lowered focus on education ect are potentially the cause of this as to my knowledge there have been no studies on whether genetics play a factor in this difference, if you accept that there is a difference in the first place.


Why do you have to put the word black in quotations every time you say it....
Dec 30 2014 2:07PM
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SpookyCat
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.frenchyWhy do you have to put the word black in quotations every time you say it....


Because she doesn't want to group a bunch of different people together based on something meaningless like their skin color but in order to discuss something with ignorant racist pigs like yourself, she has to use the same language.
Dec 30 2014 8:52PM
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.frenchy
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JenniferGarnerBecause she doesn't want to group a bunch of different people together based on something meaningless like their skin color but in order to discuss something with ignorant racist pigs like yourself, she has to use the same language.


I wouldn't care if someone called me white? I'm white, nothin to be ashamed of.... Why is calling someone by their skin color bad? And way to call me a racist when I didn't even say anything, you fucking shit sipper.
Dec 30 2014 10:27PM
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Sno.
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JenniferGarnerOh nice! OK let me jump in and I'll predict what the racists will say in response to your post...

UM no! ur like totally not right! black people are like totally more dumm than white people. i'm not racist but like if you have black skin, you're totally going to be like more violent, more poor and more stupid than if you have white skin. case closed, here are two more statistics for me to take out of contexxt.


ScaredwhiteboySAT is the most widespread and well-known measure of intelligence there is. As long as there is no perfect measure of intelligence, SAT scores will have to do. Other measures of intelligence, IQ and ACT, also show the same racial disparities as the SAT. For example, the mean difference between whites and blacks on IQ exams is 15 points.

Also, it should be noted that I provided the link with SAT scores normalizing for family income solely because I knew it's the first thing you guys would talk about if I just provided the raw averages. I actually do not care what causes blacks to score lower than whites. All I care is that, on average, they do score quite a bit lower than whites. Deliberately ignoring this fact does not make you a saint of egalitarianism; it makes you ignorant.

In the US, if you take a random black person off the street and a random white person off the street, statistically speaking the white person will probably be smarter than the black person. Call it racism if you want, but it's fact.


Ok-- I'm sure you're aware of what you're doing, but just in case you don't the issue here is that you're using the word "smarter"--which is a subjective term. the objective term would be "less educated." This is an important distinction seeing as the first implies that there is something about the color of their skin that inherently makes them less capable of intelligence than someone with white skin. The latter implies that society is responsible instead, and that the stats you're referring to are a result of correlation, not causation. There is a correlation between lower test scores and black students--not surprisingly there are many reasons for that that are no fault of their own. There is not causation--that being black causes them to score lower. White people are not smarter than black people. White people score higher on tests for many reasons, all of which are institutionalized and historical racism.
Dec 30 2014 11:17PM
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Sno.
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^I meant to quote Jennifer in a separate post, and say "stop calling everyone racist"
Dec 30 2014 11:19PM
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Sno.
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^also, the word "smarter" is not only subjective, but is usually associated with potential, or capacity for intelligence. So to say that one race is "smarter" than the other implies that they have less capacity for intelligence, which would be a racist thing to say because you'd be claiming an inferiority based on skin color. Again, I don't see how you can't be away of this tactic, but the back and forth is ridiculous.

"white people are smarter than black people. look at the facts"

Dec 30 2014 11:28PM
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SpookyCat
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Sno.^I meant to quote Jennifer in a separate post, and say "stop calling everyone racist"


I didn't know two racists constituted as everyone on this site... unless you're meaning to say that most of this site consists of uneducated, ignorant kids who are repeating their parents' racist thoughts without knowing it.
Dec 31 2014 1:03AM
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.frenchy
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JenniferGarnerI didn't know two racists constituted as everyone on this site... unless you're meaning to say that most of this site consists of uneducated, ignorant kids who are repeating their parents' racist thoughts without knowing it.


Oh man.... Who in this thread are the racists? Humor me.
Dec 31 2014 1:06AM
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DJtearegas
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JenniferGarnerBecause she doesn't want to group a bunch of different people together based on something meaningless like their skin color but in order to discuss something with ignorant racist pigs like yourself, she has to use the same language.


chill fam race isnt meaningless

browse this album for more info and stats

http://imgur.com/a/FgB5U

there are a lot of pics, all with sources there, but heres the jist:

-blacks do worse in school regardless of parental income or parental education

-its easier to get into medical school if youre a minority thansk to your minority status

-if you enter into an interracial relationship with a black person (as a white person) youre more likely to get STDs or be the victim of DV

-blacks commit far more violent crime, and this is independent of their economic status

-if america had only white gun violence we'd have the same gun murder rate of Luxembourg


with this all said I firmly believe one race isnt better than another, Im not a white supremacist and by definition not a racist, but blacks and hispanics certainly commit more crime than whites and asians certainly commit less

just for reference I'm a white male with english, german, and manx heritage
Dec 31 2014 2:39PM
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