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how many americans died from ebola recently? (1, and one visitor from another country) how many americans were/are scared of ebola? (about 40%, according to polls)
how many unarmed black men are killed by white cops in america? how many unarmed black CHILDREN are killed by white cops in america?
unfortunately, your government actually chooses not to keep track of these numbers, so i can't tell you. all i can say is that it happens almost every single day.
so this is what an epidemic looks like. this what black americans are afraid of. this is the nightmare every black american is now living in. how it isn't a nightmare for the rest of you, too, is beyond me. i live in canada and this shit keeps me up all night. i can only imagine how my jamaican cousins that moved to america to study feel, all i know is that they think it's time to leave, and i agree. do you?
the "go back to where you came from" mentality strikes an ironic chord with me (the irony of white americans all being immigrants chord was struck a while back), in that if all of the persecuted and marginalized groups in america did actually go elsewhere, what would america be? i imagine a nation in which crusty old racists clean their own toilets, for a change.
maybe not you but i haven't been arguing with myself this whole thread. also if you guys don't want to talk about race (even though the only reason i'm here is because you're a bunch of fellow skiers who somehow missed every fact in the mike brown case, except the ones made up by darren), we can talk about justice, plain and simple.
why are police officers in america allowed to get away with murder? i know of one situation in which government employees are allowed to shoot and kill civilians, in pretty much every country, but it's called war, and it's usually committed against the citizens of other countries. in america, it happens almost every day, right there in the street, on some guys cameraphone, for us to see. the coroner rules it a homicide. nobody is indicted. Eric Garners children get to grow up hating the police now, as the sons of foreign citizens get to grow up hating Americans, because there is no justice. why is this allowed? (and for anybody who isn't scared to talk about black people, why are they the only ones who care?)
also guys, victim blaming is so fucking 2012, so can we stop? like really, even autistic kids know that 12 year-olds can't be responsible for their own murders, unless they like, killed another kids family, and locked them in a cage and didn't feed them anything but bits of their parents, and then the other kid escaped, and stole his dads gun, and got revenge, but that doesn't happen.
Better than anything else posted, by the same way do you mean, data driven? Granted it's not a perfect comparison because federal indictments are not identical to state level, as far as I know there has not been a meta-analysis of comparable state level data, if you find it and it says the opposite, then we can discuss. Otherwise the blanket statements don't hold much real weight
There seem to be several factors contributing to American racism:
3. terrorism portraying anyone of different race as being untrustworthy
2. military and police culture taking a more defensive tactic, rather than an empathetic, understanding stance
1. mass media focusing on sensationalism/fear mongering to spread useful information*
*drive up ratings to increase profit margins.
I watch the news in passing a few times a year. It truly is garbage. literally nothing to gain. A good tactic is to live in your world and make a difference to those around you. If you see something wrong happening, speak out, act if necessary. You aren't helping anyone in missouri if you aren't there are you? Is it ignorance or is it realistic to avoid the horrors there and focus on your own city? I saw 10 cops walking in a row in full combat gear in Portland today and it scared the shit out of me, not to mention the seven others I saw on horseback. What are they doing? What are they trying to prove? The better question is who are they, individually, and are they fit to be in a position of such power.
Monitoring the tendencies of psychologically/emotionally erratic people is important, but of equal, if not more importance, is of those who are given the power to protect us from those others if need be. You think some fuckwad 19-year-old who decides they want to be in the army or a police officer when they have no other options is a good thing? Especially the way such institutions train those kids? That's a ballsy and highly contentious statement, but a regiment of paranoia and aggressive instinct is not the way to resolve differences.
k-robi know of one situation in which government employees are allowed to shoot and kill civilians, in pretty much every country, but it's called war
in what fucking world are soldiers allowed to shoot civilians? THAT would be ok to you, but police using lethal force on criminals is the end of the world?
in no way, shape, or form are soldiers authorized to open fire on CIVILIANS in another country...
plyswthsqrrlsin what fucking world are soldiers allowed to shoot civilians? THAT would be ok to you, but police using lethal force on criminals is the end of the world?
in no way, shape, or form are soldiers authorized to open fire on CIVILIANS in another country...
well dude thats my point, it happens anyways, and they get away with it. i never said it was ok, or if i did, i was being sarcastic (i really hope you guys have noticed i'm being sarcastic a lot in here). look at pretty much any war death toll and tell me that the civilian count got justice for their deaths. kinda like this crazy fuckin world where cops can shoot unarmed civilians and get away with it called america? idk how you guys keep missing the point entirely, i'm saying IT'S NOT OK, lol.
to put it straight, my only agenda, is to see maybe, let's say, 25% of cop vs unarmed civilian deaths (i don't think the unarmed civilian wins too often), in america, to see justice served in a real court of law, by fair and just laws, to the victims families, by 2020. and while we're at it, let's get the numbers on cops killing unarmed civilians down about 99% by right fuckin now, cause that shit is ridiculous and doesn't need to be happening 2 fuckin hours away from me, or in my own imaginary lines of separation either, duh.
i have been in a lot of fights, and i've even been beaten by police, and never once has it ever crossed my mind that i ought to have a gun and shoot the person (except maybe in my dreams, but those don't count). in fact, i've been in so many encounters with police in my life and never once has one of them thought he ought to pull his gun out on me, much less shoot me, (and i can be a pretty intimidating guy, i'm half-black, i work out for a living, i usually wear a long black leather jacket and black jeans and black boots with black gloves and a black hat, and old white ladies are usually terrified of me, and i reek of pot 24/7), so why does it happen every 28 hours across a border from me, where most of my friends live?
actually it might just be the heat. i mean, up here in canada, its cold most of the year, so you need thick warm blood. i mean fucking holding a cold metal death machine in your hands when it's -30 outside, lets just get in the cop car and turn the heat up so we don't freeze to death, hash it out like men (with polite discussion), and get driven home. europe is pretty bleak and dreary, not very exciting, doesn't look cool when you shoot guns all over the place, honestly. japanese people are practically aquatic so that might have something to do with the gunpowder being too wet. maybe the cops just need to cool off, take an ice bath, ski more, point guns at people less. i'm humbled by the fact that every time i go outside, the weather, or a bear or a mountain lion or a wolf, could kill me. not interested in fighting other people too.
.MASSHOLE.She was the ranking officer at the scene, anything she says or does contrary to what he did would indicate he was violating orders of a superior...
You do know that is how ranks work right?
so eric garner was just brutality, not race. either way.
k-robso eric garner was just brutality, not race. either way.
Yes. It was in the eyes of many, brutality. I never denied that. But your whole thread is based around the racial prejudice of the police force, and Eric Garner is not an example of that.
.MASSHOLE.Yes. It was in the eyes of many, brutality. I never denied that. But your whole thread is based around the racial prejudice of the police force, and Eric Garner is not an example of that.
exactly, its obvious we have a police brutality problem, but not a racism problem. obviously racism does and always will exist to some extent. But I dont see it being major problem with the police. police brutality IS a major problem, and every time that brutality happens to be towards a black person, the media and mindless idiots that believe/follow the media are always going to turn it into a race issue.
The brown case is a perfect example of why I dont feel sympathetic towards blacks/ the protesters. The guy just committed a robbery, was walking down the middle of the street thinking he's the shit, charged a cop etc.. The cop could have probably resolved the situation without resorting to shooting brown, but at the same time, i dont blame him one bit, when you're attacked by someone, regardless of if you're a cop or normal citizen, I think you should have every right to defend yourself, if its excessive, so what, you shouldnt have to play it safe and take into consideration your attackers well being while you're being attacked.
when you combine the average cops tendency to abuse his power and our HUGE inner city/black crime problem, you're going to have a lot of unfortunate situations like this. power tripping cops patrolling crime ridden neighborhoods is a bad combination. but that is a separate issue. Police brutality vs innocent people, and police brutality towards criminals are two totally different things.
“the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice” - Martin Luther King Jr. (who was shot in the head for saying things like this)
so there's racism, but it's not a part of the problem? and the only problem is brutality, but it's totally ok every time a cop gets away with it?
the thing about you guys constantly bringing up the Brown case as justified is that the "evidence" used to get Darren paid was made up. THE POLICE LIED FOR 104 DAYS ABOUT THE DISTANCE, UNTIL THEIR LIE WAS PROVEN WRONG, and then they changed their story, for like the fourth time (and they changed it again after that). THE VIDEO OF "MIKE" ASSAULTING A CLERK IS NOT EVEN OF HIM, NOT EVEN FILMED THE SAME MONTH, NOT CONSIDERED REAL EVIDENCE BY THE VERY MAN WHO WOULD WANT TO SEE IT, but you claim it justified the entire scenario. DARREN'S INJURIES WEREN'T EVIDENT TO PARAMEDICS and are probably the results of his uniform chafing his skin a little. ONLY ONE WITNESS agrees with Darren's story, and that's only after the witness changed his story at least once in at least 2 ways. DARREN REFERRED TO MIKE AS 'IT' AND A 'DEMON' (i already know you don't think this means anything but i'm still pointing it out because it does). all of that holds a hell of a lot more water than, "a demon child picked up 6'4" 210 lb little me with one arm and hit me in the face with the other until my cheek turned slightly pinker than it already was and then i shot him four times but he didn't even feel that so i shot him twice in the head too"
that's just the one case that sparked all of this unrest though, and it seems you guys are already set in ignoring it, so i doubt you would consider any of the evidence in any other case either (especially the ones where there is no possible justification).
though it might not be a big problem in Colorado, racism is a big problem in Missouri at least, you have to admit that, seeing as how the KKK has already admitted it, and shown their support for the police and vice versa... however i'm sure it's all justified because it's so annoying when black people complain about being killed for nothing (because if it's not racism, then it's nothing).
plyswthsqrrlsinterested in seeing your source for the police voicing their support of the KKK...
not exactly what i meant but "In it's latest statement, Anonymous claims there is a strong link between the TAKKKK and the Ferguson police department, and in the last week has published evidence showing that three high-ranking members of the TAKKKK attended a support rally for Darren Wilson in Imperial, Missouri - evidence which has now been removed from social media websites.
The group claims members of the law enforcement community in the area are silent members of the TAKKKK and call themselves the 'Ghoul Squad'.
This claim is substantiated by an ex-member of the TAKKKK called Henry Harrell who told Anonymous: "I know for a fact that the TAKKKK had a lot to do with what went on in Ferguson."
Frank Ancona, the imperial wizard of the TAKKKK is also accused of being part of this Ghoul Squad with Anonymous pointing to the fact Ancona recently checked in on Facebook at the Ferguson Police Department as evidence of his ties with law enforcement."
it sounds like a joke i know but "NOWsec has said it has a mole within the St Louis County police department who is feeding it information about officers who are also members of the KKK, part of the so-called Ghoul Squad which is made up of silent members of the TAKKKK.
The group has not published the evidence it has about Wilson's link to the KKK as it says it would threaten the life of its source, but says it continues to work to verify the links independently."
i mean they haven't said they support the KKK outright, cause that would be fucking stupid, but they also haven't said they don't support the KKK... which would be pretty smart, considering they quietly did this on their Facebook https://twitter.com/AnonCopWatch/status/534369603699216386
besides my point in posting that quote was that thinking like most of yours is more harmful than any silly grand wizard fool. he at least claims to believe in some human's rights.
k-robmaybe not you but i haven't been arguing with myself this whole thread. also if you guys don't want to talk about race (even though the only reason i'm here is because you're a bunch of fellow skiers who somehow missed every fact in the mike brown case, except the ones made up by darren), we can talk about justice, plain and simple.
why are police officers in america allowed to get away with murder? i know of one situation in which government employees are allowed to shoot and kill civilians, in pretty much every country, but it's called war, and it's usually committed against the citizens of other countries. in america, it happens almost every day, right there in the street, on some guys cameraphone, for us to see. the coroner rules it a homicide. nobody is indicted. Eric Garners children get to grow up hating the police now, as the sons of foreign citizens get to grow up hating Americans, because there is no justice. why is this allowed? (and for anybody who isn't scared to talk about black people, why are they the only ones who care?)
Dude seriously go online and look at the case files. It's not just Wilson saying his account. The ballistics, forensics, and testimony of other people all support his side. You're the one just making shit up.
SKI.INGDude seriously go online and look at the case files. It's not just Wilson saying his account. The ballistics, forensics, and testimony of other people all support his side. You're the one just making shit up.
you quoted the wrong post dude, if you're going to accuse me of making shit up.
And honestly I'm sick of Canadians like you on here. You give your country a bad name. Whenever you guys have a controversial shooting or fatal incident all of us Americans support you guys and keep it real. While whenever something happens here you Canadians just start hating and spouting bullshit out of your mouth and anus. Start blabbering about what's wrong with our laws, our government, our police, our economy. We don't do that to you guys, so shut the fuck up honestly. You need a reality check.
Everybody wants to point fingers at the U.S. and shit on us, but then everybody keeps on coming over and wants to be us. Make up your minds.
SKI.INGAnd honestly I'm sick of Canadians like you on here. You give your country a bad name. Whenever you guys have a controversial shooting or fatal incident all of us Americans support you guys and keep it real. While whenever something happens here you Canadians just start hating and spouting bullshit out of your mouth and anus. Start blabbering about what's wrong with our laws, our government, our police, our economy. We don't do that to you guys, so shut the fuck up honestly. You need a reality check.
Everybody wants to point fingers at the U.S. and shit on us, but then everybody keeps on coming over and wants to be us. Make up your minds.
actually this thread was about people leaving the states because it's a hole of persecution and poverty for most of the people living in it. not at all about wanting to be treated like crap or killed in the street. it's really unfortunate that the educated can't even read.
yeah the Ferguson PD are real straight shooters when it comes to unarmed citizens. and newschoolers has a fucking clue. there were zero homicides all year in Ferguson until Mike Brown, and they turned it into a police state. this is why black people hate cops.
2014: Victor White III (Iberia Parish, LA)
2014: Dante Parker (San Bernardino County, CA)
2014: Ezell Ford (Los Angeles, CA)
2014: Michael Brown (Ferguson, MO)
2014: Tyree Woodson (Baltimore, MD)
2014: John Crawford III (Beavercreek, OH)
2014: Eric Garner (New York, NY)
2014: Yvette Smith (Bastrop, TX)
2014: Jordan Baker (Houston, TX)
2013: Barrington Williams (New York, NY)
2013: Carlos Alcis (New York, NY)
2013: Deion Fludd (New York, NY)
2013: Jonathan Ferrell (Bradfield Farms, NC)
2013: Kimani Gray (New York, NY)
2013: Kyam Livingstone (New York, NY)
2013: Larry Eugene Jackson, Jr. (Austin, TX)
2013: Miriam Carey (Washington, DC)
2012: Chavis Carter (Jonesboro, AR)
2012: Dante Price (Dayton, OH)
2012: Duane Brown (New York, NY)
2012: Ervin Jefferson (Atlanta, GA)
2012: Jersey Green (Aurora, IL)
2012: Johnnnie Kamahi Warren (Dotham, AL)
2012: Justin Slipp (New Orleans, LA)
2012: Kendrec McDade (Pasadena, CA)
2012: Malissa Williams (Cleveland, OH)
2012: Nehemiah Dillard (Gainesville, FL)
2012: Ramarley Graham (New York, NY)
2012: Raymond Allen (Galveston, TX)
2012: Rekia Boyd (Chicago, IL)
2012: Reynaldo Cuevas (New York, NY)
2012: Robert Dumas Jr (Cleveland, OH)
2012: Sgt. Manuel Loggins Jr (Orange County, CA)
2012: Shantel Davis (New York, NY)
2012: Sharmel Edwards (Las Vegas, NV)
2012: Shereese Francis (New York, NY)
2012: Tamon Robinson (New York, NY)
2012: Timothy Russell (Cleveland, OH)
2012: Wendell Allen (New Orleans, LA)
2011: Alonzo Ashley (Denver, CO)
2011: Jimmell Cannon (Chicago, IL)
2011: Kenneth Chamberlain (White Plains, NY)
2011: Kenneth Harding (San Francisco, CA)
2011: Raheim Brown (Oakland, CA)
2011: Reginald Doucet (Los Angeles, CA)
2010: Aaron Campbell (Portland, OR)
2010: Aiyana Jones (Detroit, MI)
2010: Danroy Henry (Thornwood, NY)
2010: Derrick Jones (Oakland, CA)
2010: Steven Eugene Washington (Los Angeles, CA)
2009: Kiwane Carrington (Champaign, IL)
2009: Oscar Grant (Oakland, CA)
2009: Shem Walker (New York, NY)
2009: Victor Steen (Pensacola, FL)
2008: Tarika Wilson (Lima, OH)
2007: DeAunta Terrel Farrow (West Memphis, AR)
2006: Sean Bell (New York, NY)
2005: Henry Glover (New Orleans, LA)
2005: James Brisette (New Orleans, LA)
2005: Ronald Madison (New Orleans, LA)
2004: Timothy Stansbury (New York, NY)
2003: Alberta Spruill (New York, NY)
2003: Orlando Barlow (Las Vegas, NV)
2003: Ousmane Zongo (New York, NY)
2001: Timothy Thomas (Cincinnati, OH)
2000: Earl Murray (Dellwood, MO)
2000: Malcolm Ferguson (New York, NY)
2000: Patrick Dorismond (New York, NY)
2000: Prince Jones (Fairfax County, VA)
2000: Ronald Beasley (Dellwood, MO)
1999: Amadou Diallo (New York, NY)
1994: Nicholas Heyward Jr. (New York, NY)
1992: Malice Green (Detroit, MI)
1985: Edmund Perry (New York, NY)
1984: Eleanor Bumpurs (New York, NY)
1983: Michael Stewart (New York, NY)
1981: Ron Settles (Signal Hill, CA)
1979: Eula Love (Los Angeles, CA)
1969: Mark Clark (Chicago, IL)
1969: Fred Hampton (Chicago, IL)
1964: James Powell (New York, NY)
k-rob“the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice” - Martin Luther King Jr. (who was shot in the head for saying things like this)
so there's racism, but it's not a part of the problem? and the only problem is brutality, but it's totally ok every time a cop gets away with it?
the thing about you guys constantly bringing up the Brown case as justified is that the "evidence" used to get Darren paid was made up. THE POLICE LIED FOR 104 DAYS ABOUT THE DISTANCE, UNTIL THEIR LIE WAS PROVEN WRONG, and then they changed their story, for like the fourth time (and they changed it again after that). THE VIDEO OF "MIKE" ASSAULTING A CLERK IS NOT EVEN OF HIM, NOT EVEN FILMED THE SAME MONTH, NOT CONSIDERED REAL EVIDENCE BY THE VERY MAN WHO WOULD WANT TO SEE IT, but you claim it justified the entire scenario. DARREN'S INJURIES WEREN'T EVIDENT TO PARAMEDICS and are probably the results of his uniform chafing his skin a little. ONLY ONE WITNESS agrees with Darren's story, and that's only after the witness changed his story at least once in at least 2 ways. DARREN REFERRED TO MIKE AS 'IT' AND A 'DEMON' (i already know you don't think this means anything but i'm still pointing it out because it does). all of that holds a hell of a lot more water than, "a demon child picked up 6'4" 210 lb little me with one arm and hit me in the face with the other until my cheek turned slightly pinker than it already was and then i shot him four times but he didn't even feel that so i shot him twice in the head too"
that's just the one case that sparked all of this unrest though, and it seems you guys are already set in ignoring it, so i doubt you would consider any of the evidence in any other case either (especially the ones where there is no possible justification).
though it might not be a big problem in Colorado, racism is a big problem in Missouri at least, you have to admit that, seeing as how the KKK has already admitted it, and shown their support for the police and vice versa... however i'm sure it's all justified because it's so annoying when black people complain about being killed for nothing (because if it's not racism, then it's nothing).
Racism will always be a "problem" but it will always exist to some extent, its impossible to get rid of it.
I'm saying that I dont believe police racism towards blacks is where the cop vs black abuse is coming from. just because different races are involved doesnt mean its a racism issue.
Police brutality IS a major problem. Black/inner city/gang crime IS a major problem, police are the ones in charge of stopping crime. So its a perfect scenario for cops to use their abusive power on black people because black people are involved in more crime. if it were Asians instead of blacks, it would be police vs. Asians.
Regardless, its a combination of two major problems, police brutality and black crime. protesters are saying shame on the police for abusing blacks. but what are the cops supposed to do? their job is to stop criminals, and when the majority of crime comes from blacks, they are put in a position to fuck up and use their abusive power MORE OFTEN on blacks, because the majority of their time naturally needs to be spent where the majority of crime occurs.
and since this black crime is often concentrated in certain areas, it gives cops a reason to stereotype more often. when everybody in these crime ridden neighborhoods looks/dresses/acts alike, regardless of if they're a criminal or not, cops are again put in a position to be labeled racist.
And no, racism is not an issue in colorado. Police vs. black "racism" isnt an issue either, at least near me, because blacks around here arent involved in crime and gangs (strange how the "racism" issue goes away when that race doesnt have a crime problem, and arent giving cops a reason to confront them)
I have lived in/been around some pretty sketchy areas over the last couple years as i'm traveling pretty much all the time. and when you drive/walk through some of the worst, crime ridden areas you are definitely on edge, its sketchy as fuck, everyone seems like they want to fuck you up. Its pretty scary knowing that these kind of areas exist in this country. So when a police officer is in charge of confronting, arresting, etc. these people, in these neighborhoods. i can see how they would be more likely to overreact and get themselves into a situation where things could escalate.
XtRemE11Maybe flipping/ burning cars, houses and businesses, looting, rioting, etc.. might be a factor in turning ferguson into a police state?
maybe shooting unarmed kids in the street might be a factor in unrest? also do you even look at anything i post? white people riot over football games all the time and nobody says shit.
montreal riots every time theres a hockey game, vancouver fucked their whole city up when the nucks lost fair and square, and that's just canadian examples i can think of off the top of my head. nobody calls in the national guard for a good ol white riot, and you guys flip and burn more cars than anyone.
k-robmaybe shooting unarmed kids in the street might be a factor in unrest? also do you even look at anything i post? white people riot over football games all the time and nobody says shit.
Ok yeah, riot, burn shit, and loot, that'll keep the cops from shooting anyone else, good plan guys. why cant they just riot and burn peoples businesses in peace without the cops "abusing" them? fucking racists.
And yes white people do riot over football games, i dont think anyone is saying thats ok, its equally as retarded. and guess what? police show up to those in riot gear as well.
k-robmontreal riots every time theres a hockey game, vancouver fucked their whole city up when the nucks lost fair and square, and that's just canadian examples i can think of off the top of my head. nobody calls in the national guard for a good ol white riot, and you guys flip and burn more cars than anyone.
maybe cause post sporting event riots dont go on for months? why wouldnt the national guard be called in for Ferguson?
XtRemE11Ok yeah, riot, burn shit, and loot, that'll keep the cops from shooting anyone else, good plan guys. why cant they just riot and burn peoples businesses in peace without the cops "abusing" them? fucking racists.
And yes white people do riot over football games, i dont think anyone is saying thats ok, its equally as retarded. and guess what? police show up to those in riot gear as well.
the cops in ferguson aren't wearing riot gear lol. they're pointing rifles at people and shooting them with the same crap used to oppress syrians. and they're decked out in more gear than american soldiers wear in the middle east, not some plastic helmets and shields. and they attack peaceful protestors. and they kill kids. they're not protecting anyone. they're a bunch of scummy losers compiled from disbanded police departments.
k-robthe cops in ferguson aren't wearing riot gear lol. they're pointing rifles at people and shooting them with the same crap used to oppress syrians. and they're decked out in more gear than american soldiers wear in the middle east, not some plastic helmets and shields. and they attack peaceful protestors. and they kill kids. they're not protecting anyone. they're a bunch of scummy losers compiled from disbanded police departments.
k-robbecause the only people being killed are citizens and witnesses? and the national guard isn't there to protect anyone but a bunch of murderers?
honest question.. how many citizens and witnesses have been killed, by police, during the Ferguson riots?
I heard of one guy being beaten to death with hammers by protesters, (again, great job protesters! giving the police a reason to abuse you) and another guy found dead, apparently protester related..
I'm not one to be sympathetic at all towards police, but come on, killing, burning shit, looting, basically destroying the fucking town, only gives police reason to use excessive force. protesting police racism/brutality by giving them very good reasons to be racist and brutal is pretty counter productive. if it were all peaceful protests, then yes, you can criticize the scummy loser cops, but when violent protests are a daily occurrence, its just justifying the police's action.
k-robthat "bruise" on his face hasn't healed one bit in over 4 months.
1) “I never touched him” Michael Brown’s blood was found on his gun, on his shirt collar, and on his own pants
2) “After the incident I called for help” His body was laying in the middle of the street for four and a half hours
3) “I didn’t go for my mace because I didn’t know if it would even work on him” …What the fuck
4) “He handed me the cigarillos and said ‘Here, take this’ at which point I grabbed his wrist to control him somehow” OH OK
5) “I didn’t carry a taser so that was out of the question” “Why not” “Because we only have one available in the entire police department” UM
1) blood was found on his gun because wilson shot at brown inside his vehicle after brown went for his weapon. Brown was hit in the thumb by a bullet, which did in fact make him bleed
2) he called for backup as soon as brown was shot, the body lying in the street was DURING the investigation... wilson wasn't just standing around for four fucking hours
3) he also states he couldn't reach his mace because it was on the other side of his belt and reaching for it would give brown more open shots at his face
4) he handed johnson the cigarillos and said "here, take these", not wilson (backed up by johnson's testimony)
5) how is it his fault the department only has one taser?
and as far as the bruising goes, you're out of your mind. you're grasping at straws man, the evidence and the testimony all support Wilson in this situation, but you're looking up even the most obscure thing to support your thoughts and ideas
yeah the Ferguson PD are real straight shooters when it comes to unarmed citizens. and newschoolers has a fucking clue. there were zero homicides all year in Ferguson until Mike Brown, and they turned it into a police state. this is why black people hate cops.
2014: Victor White III (Iberia Parish, LA)
2014: Dante Parker (San Bernardino County, CA)
2014: Ezell Ford (Los Angeles, CA)
2014: Michael Brown (Ferguson, MO)
2014: Tyree Woodson (Baltimore, MD)
2014: John Crawford III (Beavercreek, OH)
2014: Eric Garner (New York, NY)
2014: Yvette Smith (Bastrop, TX)
2014: Jordan Baker (Houston, TX)
2013: Barrington Williams (New York, NY)
2013: Carlos Alcis (New York, NY)
2013: Deion Fludd (New York, NY)
2013: Jonathan Ferrell (Bradfield Farms, NC)
2013: Kimani Gray (New York, NY)
2013: Kyam Livingstone (New York, NY)
2013: Larry Eugene Jackson, Jr. (Austin, TX)
2013: Miriam Carey (Washington, DC)
2012: Chavis Carter (Jonesboro, AR)
2012: Dante Price (Dayton, OH)
2012: Duane Brown (New York, NY)
2012: Ervin Jefferson (Atlanta, GA)
2012: Jersey Green (Aurora, IL)
2012: Johnnnie Kamahi Warren (Dotham, AL)
2012: Justin Slipp (New Orleans, LA)
2012: Kendrec McDade (Pasadena, CA)
2012: Malissa Williams (Cleveland, OH)
2012: Nehemiah Dillard (Gainesville, FL)
2012: Ramarley Graham (New York, NY)
2012: Raymond Allen (Galveston, TX)
2012: Rekia Boyd (Chicago, IL)
2012: Reynaldo Cuevas (New York, NY)
2012: Robert Dumas Jr (Cleveland, OH)
2012: Sgt. Manuel Loggins Jr (Orange County, CA)
2012: Shantel Davis (New York, NY)
2012: Sharmel Edwards (Las Vegas, NV)
2012: Shereese Francis (New York, NY)
2012: Tamon Robinson (New York, NY)
2012: Timothy Russell (Cleveland, OH)
2012: Wendell Allen (New Orleans, LA)
2011: Alonzo Ashley (Denver, CO)
2011: Jimmell Cannon (Chicago, IL)
2011: Kenneth Chamberlain (White Plains, NY)
2011: Kenneth Harding (San Francisco, CA)
2011: Raheim Brown (Oakland, CA)
2011: Reginald Doucet (Los Angeles, CA)
2010: Aaron Campbell (Portland, OR)
2010: Aiyana Jones (Detroit, MI)
2010: Danroy Henry (Thornwood, NY)
2010: Derrick Jones (Oakland, CA)
2010: Steven Eugene Washington (Los Angeles, CA)
2009: Kiwane Carrington (Champaign, IL)
2009: Oscar Grant (Oakland, CA)
2009: Shem Walker (New York, NY)
2009: Victor Steen (Pensacola, FL)
2008: Tarika Wilson (Lima, OH)
2007: DeAunta Terrel Farrow (West Memphis, AR)
2006: Sean Bell (New York, NY)
2005: Henry Glover (New Orleans, LA)
2005: James Brisette (New Orleans, LA)
2005: Ronald Madison (New Orleans, LA)
2004: Timothy Stansbury (New York, NY)
2003: Alberta Spruill (New York, NY)
2003: Orlando Barlow (Las Vegas, NV)
2003: Ousmane Zongo (New York, NY)
2001: Timothy Thomas (Cincinnati, OH)
2000: Earl Murray (Dellwood, MO)
2000: Malcolm Ferguson (New York, NY)
2000: Patrick Dorismond (New York, NY)
2000: Prince Jones (Fairfax County, VA)
2000: Ronald Beasley (Dellwood, MO)
1999: Amadou Diallo (New York, NY)
1994: Nicholas Heyward Jr. (New York, NY)
1992: Malice Green (Detroit, MI)
1985: Edmund Perry (New York, NY)
1984: Eleanor Bumpurs (New York, NY)
1983: Michael Stewart (New York, NY)
1981: Ron Settles (Signal Hill, CA)
1979: Eula Love (Los Angeles, CA)
1969: Mark Clark (Chicago, IL)
1969: Fred Hampton (Chicago, IL)
1964: James Powell (New York, NY)
a lot of those are really shitty sources, nice try though.
yeah the Ferguson PD are real straight shooters when it comes to unarmed citizens. and newschoolers has a fucking clue. there were zero homicides all year in Ferguson until Mike Brown, and they turned it into a police state. this is why black people hate cops.
2014: Victor White III (Iberia Parish, LA)
2014: Dante Parker (San Bernardino County, CA)
2014: Ezell Ford (Los Angeles, CA)
2014: Michael Brown (Ferguson, MO)
2014: Tyree Woodson (Baltimore, MD)
2014: John Crawford III (Beavercreek, OH)
2014: Eric Garner (New York, NY)
2014: Yvette Smith (Bastrop, TX)
2014: Jordan Baker (Houston, TX)
2013: Barrington Williams (New York, NY)
2013: Carlos Alcis (New York, NY)
2013: Deion Fludd (New York, NY)
2013: Jonathan Ferrell (Bradfield Farms, NC)
2013: Kimani Gray (New York, NY)
2013: Kyam Livingstone (New York, NY)
2013: Larry Eugene Jackson, Jr. (Austin, TX)
2013: Miriam Carey (Washington, DC)
2012: Chavis Carter (Jonesboro, AR)
2012: Dante Price (Dayton, OH)
2012: Duane Brown (New York, NY)
2012: Ervin Jefferson (Atlanta, GA)
2012: Jersey Green (Aurora, IL)
2012: Johnnnie Kamahi Warren (Dotham, AL)
2012: Justin Slipp (New Orleans, LA)
2012: Kendrec McDade (Pasadena, CA)
2012: Malissa Williams (Cleveland, OH)
2012: Nehemiah Dillard (Gainesville, FL)
2012: Ramarley Graham (New York, NY)
2012: Raymond Allen (Galveston, TX)
2012: Rekia Boyd (Chicago, IL)
2012: Reynaldo Cuevas (New York, NY)
2012: Robert Dumas Jr (Cleveland, OH)
2012: Sgt. Manuel Loggins Jr (Orange County, CA)
2012: Shantel Davis (New York, NY)
2012: Sharmel Edwards (Las Vegas, NV)
2012: Shereese Francis (New York, NY)
2012: Tamon Robinson (New York, NY)
2012: Timothy Russell (Cleveland, OH)
2012: Wendell Allen (New Orleans, LA)
2011: Alonzo Ashley (Denver, CO)
2011: Jimmell Cannon (Chicago, IL)
2011: Kenneth Chamberlain (White Plains, NY)
2011: Kenneth Harding (San Francisco, CA)
2011: Raheim Brown (Oakland, CA)
2011: Reginald Doucet (Los Angeles, CA)
2010: Aaron Campbell (Portland, OR)
2010: Aiyana Jones (Detroit, MI)
2010: Danroy Henry (Thornwood, NY)
2010: Derrick Jones (Oakland, CA)
2010: Steven Eugene Washington (Los Angeles, CA)
2009: Kiwane Carrington (Champaign, IL)
2009: Oscar Grant (Oakland, CA)
2009: Shem Walker (New York, NY)
2009: Victor Steen (Pensacola, FL)
2008: Tarika Wilson (Lima, OH)
2007: DeAunta Terrel Farrow (West Memphis, AR)
2006: Sean Bell (New York, NY)
2005: Henry Glover (New Orleans, LA)
2005: James Brisette (New Orleans, LA)
2005: Ronald Madison (New Orleans, LA)
2004: Timothy Stansbury (New York, NY)
2003: Alberta Spruill (New York, NY)
2003: Orlando Barlow (Las Vegas, NV)
2003: Ousmane Zongo (New York, NY)
2001: Timothy Thomas (Cincinnati, OH)
2000: Earl Murray (Dellwood, MO)
2000: Malcolm Ferguson (New York, NY)
2000: Patrick Dorismond (New York, NY)
2000: Prince Jones (Fairfax County, VA)
2000: Ronald Beasley (Dellwood, MO)
1999: Amadou Diallo (New York, NY)
1994: Nicholas Heyward Jr. (New York, NY)
1992: Malice Green (Detroit, MI)
1985: Edmund Perry (New York, NY)
1984: Eleanor Bumpurs (New York, NY)
1983: Michael Stewart (New York, NY)
1981: Ron Settles (Signal Hill, CA)
1979: Eula Love (Los Angeles, CA)
1969: Mark Clark (Chicago, IL)
1969: Fred Hampton (Chicago, IL)
1964: James Powell (New York, NY)
What is this list of names? Providing names without context breeds ignorance.
Recently in Alberta, a list of children who died while in the care of social services was released. It created huge outrage and criticism by the general public against the organization I work for and the people who do amazing work every day.
What wasn't released what the fact that a huge number of these kids were medically fragile (ie - serious, serious medical issues with low percentage of survival), some were SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome. Nothing you can do about that one), a few were suicides and only a few were actually a result of caregiver neglect (and appropriate steps were taken as a result). All had better care in foster care (with the exception of a few) than at home with their parents (who weren't feeding them, beating them, sexually abusing them, emotionally abusing them, etc). None of that was shared with the public. The media interviewed parents who gave sob stories about their kids being taken away for no reason and we aren't allowed to provide information about cases (confidentiality). It was brutal. People seem to think we take peoples kids away from them just because we get off on it. The only time kids are removed is when they aren't safe at home.
What I'm getting at, is you can provide a list of names and say what happened, but leave out a ton of important information to give some context to each story.
VinnieFThem living in complete poverty is entirely and 100% their bloody faults. Take a town like Attiwapiskat, about the shittiest place outside Haiti in the Americas. The federal government pumps millions and millions of dollars into these small towns (something like 50 million over a decade for a town with only a few hundred people) and they mismanage the money so so so so poorly that they end up being worse off then they were a decade previously. Then the government says "ok well you fucked up let's send in auditors to see where the money went" and they refuse to let anyone look at their books for where they spent taxpayer money.
Its hard to manage money or to know how to succeed when you were never given a chance at a proper education that teaches you all those things. Throwing money at a problem never solves it.
This thread is full of so much racism and ignorance that its mind-blowing. Read through and count how many times kids refer to people with dark skin as "the blacks" or "blacks". Yeah, not racist at all.
JenniferGarnerThis thread is full of so much racism and ignorance that its mind-blowing. Read through and count how many times kids refer to people with dark skin as "the blacks" or "blacks". Yeah, not racist at all.
interesting. at one point in time, just the N bomb was considered racist. now apparently referring to someone as black is racist, too. rip to every adjective in the english language.
there's two separate videos of Mike paying for his cigs, i already linked one. the timestamps on the video the police released jump from month to month within frames, and the owner of the store doesn't believe it's a video of Mike nor that Mike stole anything. of course i've only said that like 50 times.
saskskierWhat is this list of names? Providing names without context breeds ignorance.
there's this relatively new thing, it's called Google, it's a website where you could type any of those names in and find out for yourself what it's a list of.
