New updates coming to the level editor

Malcolm, Love the update Here is my feedback:

The good:
Trees are awesome ALOT better then the old style of one at time
Love the New slope angle editor- that is very cool how you can make a steep run in the trees
--- The only problem with this is when you make the slope of the terrain steeper, the camera angle does not change, so I cannot see the character while playing---
I love the new terraformer tool, as before i would always have a bump leading up to my jumps, and now you can now smoothe that out. This is a great addition.I think this will be valuable to make more designer parks (nine knights) and other more creative parks.

The Bad:
I can't move at all when editing (wasd does nothing)
Not a huge fan of the new skier and snow graphics
I liked the skier before and the groomers in the standard park was amazing. It would be cool if you could choose between groomed snow and ungroomed.

General Improvements:
If there is a way to have multiple start points that you can toggle through, so you can have multiple parks in one map.
Add all features. There are alot of features that are in the standard game, but not the level creator (full halfpipe, very small jumps and other rails. I think these would be a great addition to the game.

Malcom, This is the best skiing game out there and I would like to say thank you on behalf of the whole skiing community for countless hours of fun. I love the new updates and with a few minor patches the game can be incredible.

Hey, thanks for the feedback

jcos1232I can't move at all when editing (wasd does nothing)

I changed the camera navigation so that it mimics 3D modelling programs like Blender, Maya, 3ds Max, Sketch up etc.

- alt + left mouse button to orbit
- alt + right mouse button to zoom
- alt + middle mouse button to pan

I was going to reserve W and E as shortcuts for the new move and rotation gizmos. I realize that people already know WASD controls and not everyone has a three button mouse so I will move the gizmo switch shortcuts somewhere else and keep the old WASD controls so people can use either one.

jcos1232Not a huge fan of the new skier and snow graphics

I don't know, I kind of like the new outline style of the skier. The current looks to default in my opinion. Here's a little comparison:

As for the snow, I haven't yet figured out a way to have more than one texture so I went with something a little more neutral in case people want to make backcountry levels but don't feel like having everything look groomed. If people really miss the groomed look I could add something in where you could choose between the standard level's corduroy and the new snow texture.

jcos1232I think this will be valuable to make more designer parks (nine knights) and other more creative parks.

I was talking with someone earlier who wants more control with the terraformer tool to shape their own jumps. I made the terraformer tool more as a way to change the terrain a little so that not every level is flat. Using it to shape terrain didn't really occur to me. I'll see what I can do to add more control to it but I'll still have jumps in the features list.

jcos1232If there is a way to have multiple start points that you can toggle through, so you can have multiple parks in one map.

multiple start points would be cool and is definitely doable. Kind of like what I did with the WOR course last year. Only thing with having multiple parks in one map is that it comes with a performance hit. The more stuff there is the slower the game runs. I've thought about putting a feature limit but I don't think too many people would like that.

jcos1232Add all features.

Also very doable and I've seen a few people ask for this. Only thing that kept me from doing it is that the features in the level editor take a little more work to set up properly.

Ahhh, sounds awesome and would love to test it out but for some reason Shredsauce/unity stopped working for me yesterday. When opened in safari I just get a white screen and on chrome I get that I need to download unity. Tried deleting unity and re installing it a couple times and I also tried clearing the cache on chrome.. Any ideas what the problem might be? Im on a imac 21.5 version 10.9.5.

Mar-OAhhh, sounds awesome and would love to test it out but for some reason Shredsauce/unity stopped working for me yesterday. When opened in safari I just get a white screen and on chrome I get that I need to download unity. Tried deleting unity and re installing it a couple times and I also tried clearing the cache on chrome.. Any ideas what the problem might be? Im on a imac 21.5 version 10.9.5.

Try running this demo from the Unity site:
http://unity3d.com/showcase/live-demos#3rd-person-shooter

If that works then it may be an issue with the Shredsauce site

If that demo still doesn't work then follow these instructions:

MacOS
-Log onto MacOS with a user account that has admin privileges.
-Close all web browsers.
-Delete the file: /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/Unity Web Player.plugin
-Empty the trash.
-Reboot and log in with an admin account.
-Download a new copy of the latest webplayer plugin from: http://unity3d.com/webplayer/
-Again close all browsers.
-Run the webplayer installer.

Let me know if that helps

i liked it!
the only thing that i would like would be being able to move around

Good stuff, love the new graphics and being able to create a bc style line through the trees is sweet.
I'm not a fan of the new movement controls when editing the park though and the terrain is still glitch. If I land sideways I go flying

could you make better navigation for trackpad?

i played for about 10 min, a few things i think you should change, go back to old camera movement while editing, have camera follow slope angle while moving, the scale for changing size of teraforming seems to be off (sometimes furthest left is largest, some times it is smallest, a way to return to original spawn, add in the features rails etc please, trees randomly get bigger when you approach them, there should be a way to be more specific with tree placement aswell so that you can make tree jibs ect or to delete specific trees. i like the more comic like style and i like these snow condishons but it would be cool to be able to change it back and forth, i think trees should come in random sizes, it would be cool if you could add rocks, or strait cliffs because right now you can get very steep faces but not veticle, also you should be able to rase the ground under the starting spawn.

sorry for block of text, hope this helps

oh one thing i forgot, not a big isue but i liked when treese were solid objects and you couldn't go through them.

Two issues after like one minute of screwing around. It's really easy to get the camera below the terrain when youre playing, also the single directional boost is really annoying, I like it way better the way it is in the current version.

Also is Line sponsoring now?

MalcolmTry running this demo from the Unity site:
http://unity3d.com/showcase/live-demos#3rd-person-shooter

If that works then it may be an issue with the Shredsauce site

If that demo still doesn't work then follow these instructions:

MacOS
-Log onto MacOS with a user account that has admin privileges.
-Close all web browsers.
-Delete the file: /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/Unity Web Player.plugin
-Empty the trash.
-Reboot and log in with an admin account.
-Download a new copy of the latest webplayer plugin from: http://unity3d.com/webplayer/
-Again close all browsers.
-Run the webplayer installer.

Let me know if that helps

Im having the same problem. I've tried all those things and it still won't work. Help me i can't live without shredsauce.

MalcolmTry running this demo from the Unity site:
http://unity3d.com/showcase/live-demos#3rd-person-shooter

If that works then it may be an issue with the Shredsauce site

If that demo still doesn't work then follow these instructions:

MacOS
-Log onto MacOS with a user account that has admin privileges.
-Close all web browsers.
-Delete the file: /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/Unity Web Player.plugin
-Empty the trash.
-Reboot and log in with an admin account.
-Download a new copy of the latest webplayer plugin from: http://unity3d.com/webplayer/
-Again close all browsers.
-Run the webplayer installer.

Let me know if that helps

Do you mean downloading the project under the demo link or playing the game that is right over the 3rd person shooter text? The game worked on safari but I had to click something to allow unity to play on that site first, on chrome I had to download unity again but it still don't seem to work there.
I tried downloading the project to because I thought that was what you meant at first but I didn't get any web player installer so I just deleted the file. Also I tried a couple other unity games I found with google and they seemed to work fine with safari but not with chrome.. Thanks for the help btw!

Looks awesome Malcolm, well done! Going to play around a bit and just log my feedback here.

- new character is sweet
- new tree feature is sweet
- Undo button (command + Z)
- can't move around due to lack of middle mouse button
- terraformer is pretty cool
- perhaps for the terraformer make it so the left and right brackets control size, left smaller, right larger. how Photoshop does it for brush size, eraser size, etc...easier than having to click over to the slider each time
- bring back the directional boost, not just straight down the hill

Can't really do much more without being able to move around haha. Looks awesome though, Malcolm. Feel free to take into consideration or ignore whatever bits of feedback you want, just trying to help out.

an undo button for fuckups when terraforming would be kool,

Yeah, I've been getting the Unity problems with chrome the past couple days which really sucks because I was in the middle of making an entry for the B-Dog Contest. Any fixes yet, tried deleting the file a redownloading a bunch of times and a couple other things but nothing works.

I'm in the midst of exams but I'll have some more updates on the level editor and mobile version real soon.

Mrworm10I've been getting the Unity problems with chrome the past couple days

It may have something to do with this. It looks like Google is phasing out the NPAPI plugin which the Unity web player uses. If it's that I can't do a whole lot about it at the moment. It may be something else though so send me a PM and I'll see if I can help you out.

.LeoUndo button (command + Z)

Yup this would be sick. It looks like it would be a huge project but definitely something I want to look into.

.Leocan't move around due to lack of middle mouse button

WASD camera controls are going to go back in. You'll be able to use either both methods to control the camera.

.Leoperhaps for the terraformer make it so the left and right brackets control size, left smaller, right larger. how Photoshop does it for brush size, eraser size, etc...easier than having to click over to the slider each time

Pretty cool, didn't even know that about Photoshop. I'm all for adding keyboard shortcuts that are already standardized from other programs.

.Leobring back the directional boost, not just straight down the hill

Tree60is Line sponsoring now?

Nzeskibrothe terrain is still glitch. If I land sideways I go flying

I'm going to get to the character pretty soon. I have a whole list of things I want to do. I just threw in an old character to test which explains the boosting and the Line skis.

Tree60It's really easy to get the camera below the terrain when youre playing

Yeah that's pretty annoying. I'll see what I can do to fix that.

joelskiliked when treese were solid objects and you couldn't go through them.

joelskitrees randomly get bigger when you approach them

joelskii think trees should come in random sizes

I need to add some colliders to the trees. More variety in would also be nice. The reason trees get bigger as you approach them is because I'm using a different method to load trees. It's much more efficient so it won't be super laggy but it comes with a few drawbacks like that.

joelskiit would be cool if you could add rocks, or strait cliffs because right now you can get very steep faces but not veticle

A big mountain category could be cool. You can get almost vertical with the terrain but the terraformer doesn't really allow for it right now. I'm going to see what I can do to add more control

joelskithe scale for changing size of teraforming seems to be off (sometimes furthest left is largest, some times it is smallest

I'll try and replicate it. Anyone else having trouble with the sliders?

joelskia way to return to original spawn

Hitting Tab will set the spawn point to the character's location and holding it will bring it back to its default position

joelskialso you should be able to rase the ground under the starting spawn.

You'll be able to move the spawn around as if it were a feature.


As always thanks for the feedback so far. I can't wait to see what you guys will create once this thing is a little more polished.

http://shredsauce.com/test/

Updates to the new level editor:

-Put the WASD camera controls back in. You now have to hold Space while moving the cursor to the edges of the screen for the camera to rotate. You can also use the new camera controls (alt + mouse buttons)

-Added in all the features that are in the current level editor

-Added in the new move and rotation gizmos. Toggle between them using the 2 and 3 keys on the keyboard

-Camera orbits around features that are selected with the new camera controls

-Re-added directional boosts to the character

-You can select and move the start point

-Re-added fullscreen

-Fixed the UI a little. Made things scale properly and enlarged the nav bar at the top

a few new problems

1. no way of rotating features
2. when features are duplicated the spawn directly in front of view, not where the previous feature was, this means that you cannot create continuously smooth landings, and other runups etc
3. no speedometer
4. the new snow texture or comic book quality makes it difficult to see bumps and discrepancies within terrain
5. i am sure you are working on this but if you could make terraforming more accurate to make specific landings, or spines and cliffs, or jumps etc
6. i am also sure you are working on this but a way to save levels would b great
7. could you add in the old trees to use as tree jibs, and for specific placement.

i forgot a few things, what do you intend to put in the options area?

clicking menu doesn't seem to work?

I also preferred the old way of rotating the view angle while editing where you move the mouse off to either side.

hope these helped

joelskino way of rotating features

Hit 3 on your keyboard

joelskiwhen features are duplicated the spawn directly in front of view, not where the previous feature was, this means that you cannot create continuously smooth landings, and other runups etc

joelskino speedometer

I'll add those in

joelskithe new snow texture or comic book quality makes it difficult to see bumps and discrepancies within terrain

I'll see if I can get the old terrain look with outlines

joelskii am sure you are working on this but if you could make terraforming more accurate to make specific landings, or spines and cliffs, or jumps etc

Yup I'm thinking up ideas to make it more accurate

joelskii am also sure you are working on this but a way to save levels would b great

Working on that now

joelskicould you add in the old trees to use as tree jibs, and for specific placement.

I could put those back in if people miss being able to position them the way they want. I'm worried people will use those trees instead of the newer more efficient trees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci-c_i8Bjc8&feature=youtu.be

I did some testing with the new editor today (broken collarbone means a lot of downtime) and my overall impression is very good.

Things I like:
-The ability to make "mountains" (I had a lot of fun making natural jumps, cliffs, chutes, ect.)
-The tree system is spot on
-I personally love the new skier style and ungroomed snow (I can't play the default map for more than about 10 minutes before I get a raging headache because of the groomed texture)

Things that could use some work:
-the navigation. (The orbit is strange, it doesn't quite orbit around like I would like, I feel like it isn't very natural. It would be great if it would orbit around the point that your mouse is touching. Ie. If your pointer is over a rail you will orbit around the rail, with the rail being the orbit center point. Pan is perfect! Zoom doesn't zoom fast enough for larger scale models. In my opinion the wasd keys can be used for smaller scale navigation, but the zoom should be used for larger scale projects like mountains and things.)
-the terraforming (the terraforming is actually really good, but it would be great if there was a toggle-able "jagged" or "smooth" option for the raise and lower. The way it currently is it is very difficult to make skiable terrain in the first pass. The technique I used had about 3 passes of raise and smooth and varying sizes of brushes. This is fine for me (I have experience doing 3d terraforming as niche of a technique 3d terraforming is.) it will be difficult for beginners to pick up though, and it would be nice to make "okay" terrain really quickly.
-add some backcountry objects (the entire time I was constructing my mountain I wanted a cliff or rock formation object to put in the map)

This update is awesome and I can't wait to see what you do in the future. Although it looks like a lot, my problems with this update are super minor compared to how much fun I have had today on my new map. Keep up the good work!