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smuggs
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Then preach to us about global warming...... what gives ?
Nov 20 2014 12:55PM
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smuggs
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while trying to sell us goods made in china and making us want new shit every year
Nov 20 2014 12:57PM
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theabortionator
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Surf the earth, but don't love a girl who gives birth, cause she ain't got what it's worth, even if she likes your short dick with it's big girth.
Nov 20 2014 1:06PM
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smuggs
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im going on a 10 hour road trip once a week because the photos someone takes of me skiing might be marginally better where i drive to !
Nov 20 2014 1:10PM
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smuggs
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its the big corporations who contribute to global warming ! everyone get mad at them ! there is nothing i do to keep them in business right !?
Nov 20 2014 1:15PM
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theabortionator
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Sounds like you mad but don't be sad let the earth make you glad.
Nov 20 2014 1:18PM
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danbrown
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i think you should just challenge brody leven to a fistfight
Nov 20 2014 1:24PM
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smuggs
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brody who ?
Nov 20 2014 1:30PM
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smuggs
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jeremy jones has his POWinters... and i think he puts out more greenhouse gasses than any of us.
Nov 20 2014 1:31PM
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Nov 20 2014 1:33PM
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smuggs
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skiing and snowboarding in general probably accounts for a fair portion of global warming. considering most people drive 30 miles to the mountain alone and are supporting overseas production producing stuff full of plastic and dyes we throw away every year.
Nov 20 2014 1:36PM
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smuggsskiing and snowboarding in general probably accounts for a fair portion of global warming. considering most people drive 30 miles to the mountain alone and are supporting overseas production producing stuff full of plastic and dyes we throw away every year.


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it's coal and big fossil fuel companies doing the damage. they keep trying to pull the wool over our eyes and say it us when it really is them doing the damage.
Nov 20 2014 1:59PM
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theabortionator
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Turkeltonlol
it's coal and big fossil fuel companies doing the damage. they keep trying to pull the wool over our eyes and say it us when it really is them doing the damage.


I pull the wool over my own eyes. IT's cold as fuck outside right now. IT's one thing to not wear a face mask but I hope everyones at least got a warm hat!
Nov 20 2014 2:05PM
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snomaster
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what about hippies touring with Phish? and all of the energy used to grow their dope in basements? and all of that NOX gas released in the parking lots?
Nov 20 2014 2:12PM
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Drail
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smuggsskiing and snowboarding in general probably accounts for a fair portion of global warming. considering most people drive 30 miles to the mountain alone and are supporting overseas production producing stuff full of plastic and dyes we throw away every year.


I don't see what you're getting at though. First you were just attacking the pros, now you're going after the entire industry (including the recreational skiers). If that's the case - YOU do something about it, or shut the fuck up.

Yeah, Jeremy Jones travels the globe to ride mountains, but he also started POW to try and help the situation. It's like what JP said in All.I.Can about making change, but not stopping entirely. If we just swear off gas/oil before the proper infrastructure is in place to full on replace it, we'll end up going backwards, which doesn't actually help anything.


It'd make for a really lame competition season if everyone just stayed local to their location and didn't travel to compete on the pro tour. It'd make for some really shitty ski videos if the athletes weren't chasing the snow - likewise, if they stayed put and just skied the same lines year after year, that shit would get old REAL fast.

Compare the professional skiers footprint to that of a NHL, NBA, or MLB team (especially a western team). Flying around the continent almost daily, playing in huge stadiums, etc... What exactly would you like to see the pro skiers/boarders doing differently? Is their 'preaching' (as you put it) the problem, or is it their travelling in general? Would you rather them keep travelling without saying or doing anything about climate change - because if so, there aren't really that many of them that are, in fact, preaching. So whatever your problem is with Jeremy Jones and the like, I think you should use that energy for something a bit more meaningful.
Nov 20 2014 2:31PM
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PungentMelon
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I was at the road to zion and keynote skier premier and tanner hall spoke for like 20 minutes about how real skiers don't need a helicopter or crazy shit and then he showed the trailer for his upcoming edit and the first like 10 clips were all from helicopters and these crazy lines
Nov 20 2014 3:46PM
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MeenaSmalls
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theabortionatorSurf the earth, but don't love a girl who gives birth, cause she ain't got what it's worth, even if she likes your short dick with it's big girth.


your name fits it pefectly
Nov 20 2014 4:46PM
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smuggs
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Turkeltonlol
it's coal and big fossil fuel companies doing the damage. they keep trying to pull the wool over our eyes and say it us when it really is them doing the damage.


Yes coal and big fossil fuels companies who produce that product we are forced to buy. Its not like they just produce gasoline for the hell of it to trash the earth

They produce gasoline because we buy it. Virtika produces outerwear because people buy it. If everyone bought 2 less gallons of gasoline a week the "evil fossil fuels producer" would produce way less gasoline the next time.
Nov 21 2014 9:49AM
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smuggs
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snomasterwhat about hippies touring with Phish? and all of the energy used to grow their dope in basements? and all of that NOX gas released in the parking lots?


Phish isnt good for the earth either. I touched on this on facebook.

Something is broken and it really is up to us to change it. It starts by not buying the gas. It starts by going to farmers markets. It starts by appreciating what's around you and not what u can fly to this week. It starts by changing your own life.

As someone who barely drives anywhere doesnt go on ski trips I am certain they produce less gasoline to support me. It might be a drop in the bucket but its not me preaching about global warming on a computer in the airport in between traveling the earth to get the next photo op.
Nov 21 2014 9:58AM
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smuggs
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DrailI don't see what you're getting at though. First you were just attacking the pros, now you're going after the entire industry (including the recreational skiers). If that's the case - YOU do something about it, or shut the fuck up.

Yeah, Jeremy Jones travels the globe to ride mountains, but he also started POW to try and help the situation. It's like what JP said in All.I.Can about making change, but not stopping entirely. If we just swear off gas/oil before the proper infrastructure is in place to full on replace it, we'll end up going backwards, which doesn't actually help anything.


It'd make for a really lame competition season if everyone just stayed local to their location and didn't travel to compete on the pro tour. It'd make for some really shitty ski videos if the athletes weren't chasing the snow - likewise, if they stayed put and just skied the same lines year after year, that shit would get old REAL fast.

Compare the professional skiers footprint to that of a NHL, NBA, or MLB team (especially a western team). Flying around the continent almost daily, playing in huge stadiums, etc... What exactly would you like to see the pro skiers/boarders doing differently? Is their 'preaching' (as you put it) the problem, or is it their travelling in general? Would you rather them keep travelling without saying or doing anything about climate change - because if so, there aren't really that many of them that are, in fact, preaching. So whatever your problem is with Jeremy Jones and the like, I think you should use that energy for something a bit more meaningful.


Oh my god let the pros do whatever they want ! Think of the competition scene man...... the pros are inspiring more people to buy more shitty shit every year more people to travel the earth.

The amount of gasoline that cars burn in a day driving up little cottonwood or to a more local hill to you guys is astounding. How is that small piece of travel in the large scale of things not making a difference? How many people flew there to be there ? How many east coasters drive hours from cities every weekend to ski ? How many second houses do people have on ski mountains that are warm and empty all year ?

In salt lake they say 60% of the inversion is from cars and 40% from industry. Well shockingly the industry is mostly refineries helping people get places. Which means it all comes from traveling or getting your new skis and ski suit shipped across the world. The easiest way to stop global warming is to enjoy more time at home. And if its at the sake of one less ski movie or one less cool photo it seems like a no brainer
Nov 21 2014 10:09AM
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smuggs
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Bottom line if you use your brains and think through all the shit skiers buy, the traveling, the extravagant insanely selfish lifestyles the plastics then compare it to most peoples days we produce more excess than them. Easy
Nov 21 2014 10:20AM
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Drail
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smuggsBottom line if you use your brains and think through all the shit skiers buy, the traveling, the extravagant insanely selfish lifestyles the plastics then compare it to most peoples days we produce more excess than them. Easy


Yeah, it is easy if you look at it on paper with an extremist mentality. Basically, you are saying that anyone who doesn't live at the base of a mountain shouldn't ski, anyone who is really good at skiing shouldnt be allowed to make a career out of it. Hell - if you need new gear - too bad. That's not allowed. Thinking the advancements in the last 15 years in ski equipment that would never of happened without the industry the way it is. Well - it might of happened, but a hell of a lot slower, and not nearly as wide spread. You sir live an extremely privileged life - more so than the rest of the privileged world. If you are going to preach about the use of gas/oil and how no one should travel, no one should buy new things, and no one should move foreword in any shape or form if it involves the use of oil - then you should probably get off the internet, donate your clothes and electronics to less fortunate people. You better not have a car! Go live in the woods in a shack, maybe with a micro hydro set up if your lucky enough to have year round running water on your property. But again, if you don't you can't just drive somewhere that does, you should probably walk there. Just like I assume you walj for all of your skiing - wouldn't want to be a part of the oil system and use chairlifts.

Extremists are useless - go away until you realize the real problems and solutions are very complex and what could be our species greatest achievement or our ultimate doom. Either way, the answer isn't anything close to what you are proposing.
Nov 21 2014 12:08PM
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smuggs
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Drail. Im not saying nobody should travel. Im saying professional athletes probably contribute to global warming more than the average person. Im not saying nobody should drive to the mountain, im saying driving to the mountain is probably yours and mines biggest effect on the planet.
Nov 21 2014 9:07PM
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smuggs
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its like being on a movie tour that traveled 20,000 miles with an entire crew to promote their movie that promotes people traveling to extreme reaches of the planet then complaining about the industry that produces the fuel you used to get everywhere you went to support what you do. but its not our industry that is responsible, its theirs. It's the imaginary ones fault that make you buy that gas, to make your movie, to have that contest, to make chinese products look cool.
Nov 21 2014 9:17PM
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Every time you get on a plane you kill mother earth!

"Aircraft emit staggering amounts of CO2, the most prevalent manmade greenhouse gas. In fact, they currently account for 11 percent of CO2 emissions from U.S. transportation sources and 3 percent of the United States’ total CO2 emissions. All told, the United States is responsible for nearly half of worldwide CO2 emissions from aircraft."

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/climate_law_institute/transportation_and_global_warming/airplane_emissions/
Nov 21 2014 9:34PM
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Mr.Bishop
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ParryWithAnAEvery time you get on a plane you kill mother earth!

"Aircraft emit staggering amounts of CO2, the most prevalent manmade greenhouse gas. In fact, they currently account for 11 percent of CO2 emissions from U.S. transportation sources and 3 percent of the United States’ total CO2 emissions. All told, the United States is responsible for nearly half of worldwide CO2 emissions from aircraft."

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/climate_law_institute/transportation_and_global_warming/airplane_emissions/



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GET IN THE VAN.
Nov 21 2014 11:08PM
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t_rob
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Hedonists.
Nov 21 2014 11:56PM
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Iliveinutah
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didn't read thread but...

i disagree with there being one source of global warming

cosmoclimatology
Solar Variation
Orbital Variation
C02 emissions (mainly deforestation)

This is what i see causing climate change. looking back in time, the earth's climate is changing and has been changing ever since its creation. not saying reducing our c02 output wouldn't help but I'm sure it will not stop it but there is allot that we can do to delay it if nothing else.

-Environmental Scince major

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yo boi snowballsdeep
Nov 22 2014 12:07AM
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snomaster
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As Drail quotes JP from all.i.can, it's not about doing less, it's about doing more. Everything we do creates impact. Personally, for me it's about being environmentally responsible whenever possible and acknowledging that every dollar you spend is a vote for whatever goes into the product or service you are paying for. The world is pretty much fucked but I try to do my part to help me sleep better at night.

Jeremy Jones is spreading the word that bigger and badder can be the simplest form of getting into the mountains... until you look at how many miles he travels and how TGR ships thousands of pounds of gear and follows him hiking with helicopters in some of the most remote reaches of this world. I worked with TGR a bit the past couple years and the team wants to do a better job of reducing their ecological footprint in theory, but they have yet to actually practice it.

I'm proud that my 2000 VW jetta TDI gets 45-55 mpg on any given trip and I run it on biodiesel in the summer. After I get a couple hundred thousand miles more out of that rig, I'm committed to getting an electric vehicle. Still, I try not to drive whenever possible and ride my bike and use public transit when I can.
Right now I'm back to selling renewable energy systems for a living (now solar, used to be into wind).
I have a small garden/fruit trees and actively compost.
I ski backcounty most of the time but these days live 40 miles from where I ski (but have a place to stay in the mtns).
I sew together rips in gear and try to purchase quality shit that will stay away from a landfill for as long as possible. I support as many small and eco-friendly companies as possible, but Fischer gives me some free skis so I rock those.

I also take shits in gallons of perfectly clean water. oh, and I like to pan fry tofu in bacon grease.
Nov 22 2014 2:05AM
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professor_chaosI was at the road to zion and keynote skier premier and tanner hall spoke for like 20 minutes about how real skiers don't need a helicopter or crazy shit and then he showed the trailer for his upcoming edit and the first like 10 clips were all from helicopters and these crazy lines


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Nov 22 2014 4:34AM
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smuggs
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everyone has good points ! except the republican biology major jk .

if we look at our own lives, we as mountain sports addicts are probably the most poluting people we know. unless you have a friend that goes around changing his oil over storm drains after a long day of fracking and driving 100 miles each way to work.

snowmaster is right your money is a vote. you can vote to support the insane amount of ships motoring across the oceans. or you can vote with you money to support something more local. just because you want to get 1000 worth of ski outerwear every year because the colors are cool doesn't mean you should. just because you do your part and ride a bike one mile a day to school and can hop on a plane to make some ultra radical turns 15,000 miles away every week doesn't mean you are protecting our winters.

its easy to say there needs to be more regulation on the gas industry and big business needs to be held accountable for polluting, but its not easy to understand your message while you are about to board planes trains and automobiles toting foreign electronics in that new coat of the week your sponsor just had shipped over from china (where there are no regulations)

we make the business go around, we make those refineries produce the gas that gets us somewhere and ships our goods and foods thousands of miles. its us not them. if we want regulations on business maybe we should regualte our spending.
Nov 22 2014 10:32AM
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smuggs
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there is that national don't buy gas day..... which i think is cool and so does anyone who doesnt buy gas that day.

what if there was a national don't sell gasoline day ? people would be fucking pissed
Nov 22 2014 10:42AM
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smuggs
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^ see that its easier to regulate your self than be regulated.
Nov 22 2014 10:44AM
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Dec 9 2014 12:00PM
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smuggs
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you might have a good message, but sometimes its hard to understand
Dec 9 2014 12:01PM
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