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So I have a persuasive speech i gotta do tomorrow for a class and i think i wanna do it on why rescuing a dog is better than buying one from a breeder. So I just wanted to do a little survey and maybe spark some talk.
Fuck breeders imo. It's fucked up, they just breed animals and if theres a small inperfection they kill them. Why not rescue a dog or other animal that could already REALLY use the love? I kinda see it as a couple that wants to have kids but can't due to infertility, instead of getting a donator (either egg or sperm) why wouldn't you just adopt a kid?
CaptainObvious.Taking a dog in as part of your loving family...is rescuing it. No matter the method of obtaining.
Unless you stole it....then you're an asshole.
I had a friend tell me one time when he was drunk "I'm going to go around and steal the neighborhood dogs, and as soon as a reward is up I'm going to make some calls and make some money"
In my experience, rescue dogs are either neglected and crave attention all the time or previously abused and afraid of everything
Obviously this is not always the case and it's a shame that this happens but getting a new dog allows to to start with a fresh slate, training your dog to be the dog you want instead of trying to mend a broken one
Either way you're going to run the risk of health issues. Highly bred dogs have health issues related to lots of incest to keep the breed pure. Rescues are a gamble.
My aunt got a rescue Great Dane and it has hip problems now that it's older. Then she bought a pure bred Great Dane and it had stomach problems as a puppy requiring surgery. Both have problems. Both cost money.
wolfbackpackFuck breeders imo. It's fucked up, they just breed animals and if theres a small inperfection they kill them. Why not rescue a dog or other animal that could already REALLY use the love? I kinda see it as a couple that wants to have kids but can't due to infertility, instead of getting a donator (either egg or sperm) why wouldn't you just adopt a kid?
Not all breeders are like this. The key is to do your research, generally local veterinarians will know respectable breeders.
Rescuing a dog is a very noble thing and I encourage it. However, sometimes people want a specific breed. For example, I grew up with Australian shepherds and I love the breed. As a result, I will probably buy an Australian shepherd from a breeder in a few years.
Bart.ManNeither. Dogs are fucking animals. Why are you trying to live with a shedding, shitting, smelly beast in your house? God dammit I really hate dogs.
my family has 6 of those shedding, shitty, smelly beasts and they are the fucking best roommates ever.
soulskierIn my experience, rescue dogs are either neglected and crave attention all the time or previously abused and afraid of everything
Obviously this is not always the case and it's a shame that this happens but getting a new dog allows to to start with a fresh slate, training your dog to be the dog you want instead of trying to mend a broken one
There are still rescue puppies out there, lots of them. Moms and pups get rescued too. Those puppies are often too young to know they had a tough start.
The only time I see any need to purchasing a dog from a breeder is if it's a working dog, from working lines (hunting, herding, tracking etc.) because they're bred to do a job, and if you make a living off that job you want the best employee (boarder collies, Great Pyrenees or bloodhounds.) Correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm actually interested in other peoples opinions on that aspect
I rescued my shepherd mix Ranger last year when he was 3. He was housebroken by the shelter staff within weeks, and learned everything else quick. At first he was a little overly attached, but learned I'm not going to leave him. He still loves attention, but knows not to beg for it. He was terrified of stairs, but I brought over another older dog who showed him how to climb them. He took a tiny shred of extra time, but it was worth every second. Way less time than housebreaking and dealing with a newborn puppy would have been. I trained him to "what I wanted" but it took work just like a pup. He needed to learn leash manners, not to jump, and that teeth are not playtoys (not that he ever hurt anyone.) It's exactly what I would have done with any puppy.
Our personalities/ activity level clicked, and when I met him I knew I could provide what he needed. It was just a little love, and I got my best friend. This suave face was on a euthanasia list, because he wasn't a pup, and was a random mutt essentially. He also saved my ass from stepping on a rattle snake last week, so we're even now.
I think what's important is that people look for a dog that fits their lifestyle (like don't get a super active dog if you don't run or have room) instead of a breed or look. I don't expect that to change entirely or soon, but I wish it was thought about more. I see so many huskies, Aussies and even labs, rescues and purebred pups, given up because their owners don't realize their needs or what it takes to care for a dog.
Also look how cute he is, explore your local shelter, and you too could have a yoga dog of your very own.
I understand that buying dogs feeds the problem of breeders and puppy mills. I get that. But all I can think about are the puppies who simply exist. Whether its a mill, a pound, a breeder, or an alley, every dog out ther just wants a family to love it and feed it. When you start mudding the waters with human politics, dogs go without homes. No matter what side of the equation you're looking at.
Just find a dog, love it, and be responsible with its life. Stop worrying about where it comes from.
To anyone who says that they don't want a shelter animal, I challenge you to spend an afternoon in a shelter. Then tell me you wouldn't take one of them home.
caroline.There are still rescue puppies out there, lots of them. Moms and pups get rescued too. Those puppies are often too young to know they had a tough start.
this isn't always true.
I rescued an old dog of mine when she was 9 weeks old after being with an abusive owner, to be a companion for my Golden Retriever. so we thought she was too young to know any better and we could train her to be how we had hoped.
unfortunately she didn't turn out that way.
she couldn't be housebroken, had severe food aggression, barked at every little thing, was horrible around new people, and was aggressive to even me after 5 years of having her.
When she was 4, we brought in an 8 week old Bernese mountain dog from a breeder in hope to settle her down as she became much, much worse after my Golden Retriever had passed away from cancer.
She was great in the beginning with the puppy, however once he grew up a little bit she began to attack him and drew blood multiple times a day.
The final straw was she bit one of my sisters friends, which ended up with a hospital visit.
We decided that she would be better off with a single dog family with no children to mess with her, so back to the shelter she went.
Its sad, but even puppies can't always have a happy ending after being in a shelter. This experience will unfortunately continue to make me get my dogs from breeders.
I have a rescue dog and cat from the humane society and they are the best things that have ever happened to me. Although it was difficult to house train my dog, and he still doesn't like being home alone, I wouldnt change a thing. I will definitely continue to rescue my animals in the future.
We rescued him from the Incline Village shelter after they nursed him back to health, when they rescued him from Stockton's 2 day kill shelter. Hence the name Tahoe.
We've had a Great Dane named Baxter, who was from a breeder. We got him because none of the shelter dog's in Racine had fit our family.
However, after getting this cutie, I'll always check a shelter first. When I had my TBI this little guy stuck by my side everyday, and was able to tell when I was in pain, or needed help. I've never had such loyalty and love given to me at a time. When I come home from college, my dog is the first to greet me. I surprised my family by showing up two days early for summer and he was crying at the door, because he knew it was me. I love my dog.
Every dog is great, and I encourage people to seek out what they want. Shelter dogs can be amazing, but so are breeder dogs, especially if you need them for work.
I've volunteered at so many shelters and fostered and adopted so many dogs and bringing home a shelter dog is one of the most rewarding experiences ever. However I've had a couple returning dogs that had minor behavioral or medical issues that could be worked out (and that were talked about before the adoption) but the family just didn't want to take the time to resolve. When you adopt a dog from a shelter it's more than likely that the dog is going to come with some baggage and more people need to realize that.
With that being said, I grew up with border collies. We've always had at least two in the house since I was born. I have one that I got from a breeder that I did numerous checks on and drove a long way to meet with the owner and see the living conditions of the dogs. I did this because border collies are known to have some serious health issues if not bred properly.
I have my breeder border collie and fostering a rescue pit mix and they're both great dogs. I agree with another comment in the fact that giving a dog as much love and time as you can is considered rescuing it. As long as people do their research and understand the commitment they are making in adopting a dog I'm fine with either.
Most rescue dogs I've known have been incredible, so I would say there is a low chance that you would take on a bunch of problems, but it is definitely a risk you run. I have a friend who had to bring 3 consecutive dogs back to the shelter after less than a week because they ended up being super aggressive around certain random things and attacked people. Past experiences imprint heavily in their memory so you never know what could set them off
Well i guess i'll put in my 2 cents. Personally in this speech i will be trying to persuade my audience to rescue dogs instead of buying them. Now, this isn't 100% true but for the point of my speech i have to pick a side. Personally after my dog, Kipper, passed away about 2 years ago we took a few months to get over him. He was 16 and the last puppy in the litter, we got him for free because there was no way we were leavin him. He was crazy but a great dog and wouldve lived longer than he did if he wasnt such an idiot. We then rescued a dog from down South. Her name is Lilly and is the best dog i've ever seen she's pitbull, golden retriever, boxer. Hands down it is astonishing how well behaved and chilled out she is. My only hypothesis is she went through so much shit as a puppy (we got her around 7 months) that she could just hang out. She just had surgery on her leg though due to past injuries we didn't know about though, which is an issue with rescuing.
Neither is inherently better, definitely not every breeder is some incest promoting machine and not every rescue dog is awesome nor is every breeder dog awesome or every rescue dog misshapen, puny or sickly.
Just pick the right dog for you regardless if it comes from a breeder/rescue shelter.
Most rescue dogs i know have no personality and/ or are scared of everything. I really don't know why anyone would want a dog like that, but to each his own i guess...
ScaredwhiteboyBuy 100%. If I'm getting a dog, I'm getting a mothafuckin puppy. No old dog bullshit.
Rescue a puppy then. I rescued a 6 week old dalmation/border collie mix and it's goes on hikes and swims and follows me long boarding. If I never rescued a dog I wouldn't have my best friend. Pounds and humane societies are overflowing at insane rates with animals, there are bound to be ones you like.
Chubbs.so... anyone know whether this would be under an inductive speech or a deductive... cause i have no clue how public speaking works..
Sorry dude, we didn't even do what you needed for the thread. Deductive vs. Inductive depends on the way you're going to argue your stance. Deductive would be a speech based on facts supporting your case. So You could get some credible sources talking about the percentage of dogs killed in a shelter vs the percentage killed by breeders. You could find some info on where unwanted breeder puppies go in the end. Maybe it's shelters, I don't know. But you would make a case for your argument based solely on supporting facts.
Inductive is actually a smarter approach. Especially given the fact that with the author's permission, you have 3 examples in this thread alone. You use specific instances to tie together a false conclusion. So you could talk about shelter dogs and how the instances above came as adult dogs and not puppies. Therefore all shelter dogs must be adult. Which is the common misconception.
You would then have to use further evidence to disprove this conclusion (refer to above stories) and make a persuasive case based on assumptions of shelter dogs not always being true, so ruling out those dogs is illogical and unfair to a possibly worthy dog.
My family went for it and got a pure bred dog, but mostly because we wanted a hypoallergenic breed. We got it from a place that seemed to take really great care of the animals and was very involved with our purchase (we ended up ordering her from AB, I'm in ON).
Our dog before that was a rescued mutt and a great pet. My rents had her before having kids though and wouldn't have been worried or known about any allergies with their kids.
We've had 2 border collies from a rescue shelter and unfortunately the first died from epilepsy that wasn't known about when we got him, he also must have been kicked by his previous owner because he was so scared if you moved your feet.
The 2nd one is from the same shelter and we got him at 6 weeks old, no idea what he'd turn out like. He's 9 now and a very healthy dog that has been asked often if he could father other pups for farmers.
My sister paid a lot of money for a pure breed cocker spaniel and it's a great wee dog but has had some problems with its hips which i believe is quite common in pedigree dogs.
This is the two of 'em playing
It depends on a few factors. Personally if I was living alone I would get a rescued dog because I would find it more rewarding. However if I had children or other younger animals I would buy one from a breeder to eliminate that unknown factor (Potentially dangerous) you get with most rescued dogs.
We've had a few dogs over the years. Some rescue, some breeder. The first rescue dog was awful. He was mean and bit and we had small kids (foster kids) at the time so he went back to the pound. At that point it was a safety issue.
Had a German sheppard (from a breeder) about half a year before he was hit by a truck.
Had a black lab (from a breeder). Died of (what appeared to be) a heart attack when she was about a year old. We brought an old tractor back to a neighbours (a few km away) and she was running along (not driving fast at all). When we got to the neighbours, she couldn't even jump back into the truck lifted her in and she didn't get up again. She was a good dog (even though she was still a puppy).
We had another rescue (a collie) that was definitely abused and in bad shape. Super skittish and mangy and underfed. Absolutely terrified of linoleum. After little while he looked really healthy and, while still pretty jumpy, he was an amazing dog. We had him for a few years. The night he died (he slept inside in the living room), he dragged himself across the dining room/kitchen/hallway (all linoleum) to my parents bedroom in the middle of the night. My dad brought him to a vet (something was def. wrong), but he died. The vet think he had a brain aneurysm or something.
We had another collie and I think he was another rescue. Had him for a long, long time. He ended up going to a new home last year because no one was around (my siblings and I moved out a while ago) and both my parents are pretty busy.
All in all we've had some pretty great dogs, but pretty bad luck over the years regardless of whether or not they were rescue or bred.
saskskierWe've had a few dogs over the years. Some rescue, some breeder. The first rescue dog was awful. He was mean and bit and we had small kids (foster kids) at the time so he went back to the pound. At that point it was a safety issue.
Had a German sheppard (from a breeder) about half a year before he was hit by a truck.
Had a black lab (from a breeder). Died of (what appeared to be) a heart attack when she was about a year old. We brought an old tractor back to a neighbours (a few km away) and she was running along (not driving fast at all). When we got to the neighbours, she couldn't even jump back into the truck lifted her in and she didn't get up again. She was a good dog (even though she was still a puppy).
We had another rescue (a collie) that was definitely abused and in bad shape. Super skittish and mangy and underfed. Absolutely terrified of linoleum. After little while he looked really healthy and, while still pretty jumpy, he was an amazing dog. We had him for a few years. The night he died (he slept inside in the living room), he dragged himself across the dining room/kitchen/hallway (all linoleum) to my parents bedroom in the middle of the night. My dad brought him to a vet (something was def. wrong), but he died. The vet think he had a brain aneurysm or something.
We had another collie and I think he was another rescue. Had him for a long, long time. He ended up going to a new home last year because no one was around (my siblings and I moved out a while ago) and both my parents are pretty busy.
All in all we've had some pretty great dogs, but pretty bad luck over the years regardless of whether or not they were rescue or bred.
CaptainObvious.Sorry dude, we didn't even do what you needed for the thread. Deductive vs. Inductive depends on the way you're going to argue your stance. Deductive would be a speech based on facts supporting your case. So You could get some credible sources talking about the percentage of dogs killed in a shelter vs the percentage killed by breeders. You could find some info on where unwanted breeder puppies go in the end. Maybe it's shelters, I don't know. But you would make a case for your argument based solely on supporting facts.
Inductive is actually a smarter approach. Especially given the fact that with the author's permission, you have 3 examples in this thread alone. You use specific instances to tie together a false conclusion. So you could talk about shelter dogs and how the instances above came as adult dogs and not puppies. Therefore all shelter dogs must be adult. Which is the common misconception.
You would then have to use further evidence to disprove this conclusion (refer to above stories) and make a persuasive case based on assumptions of shelter dogs not always being true, so ruling out those dogs is illogical and unfair to a possibly worthy dog.
so for an inductive speech.. which is specific moving towards a general conclusion.. i would have three main bodies in which i would touch upon why it is better to rescue, why it doesn't really make a difference, and why it is better to buy, and then make my conclusion based on my personal opinion that poeple should rescue?
El_Barto.Anyone who pays more than $100 for a dog is an asshole
I guess that makes me an Asshole x 13. We just got a Miniature Australian Shepherd from a breeder. I have adopted dogs before and it has always worked out. This time I spent months looking for a dog, and tried various shelters and rescue groups. We found a dog we liked and were told we were going to receive her right after she was spayed, but they gave her away to someone else. They said that they called and left us messages, but that is bullshit. If I had given them just one number, I might have believed them, but they had all of our phone numbers including cells and they also had our email. This experience, along with others while I was looking have kind of turned me off on rescue groups. I know they are volunteers, but they are usually disorganized and you feel like it would almost be easier to adopt a child than a dog. I found myself wondering how many dogs don't find good homes because people get frustrated by the adoption process and give up. That's what happened to us.
Bart.ManNeither. Dogs are fucking animals. Why are you trying to live with a shedding, shitting, smelly beast in your house? God dammit I really hate dogs.
Im not going to say it. But it rhymes with fill yourself.
... or they could be smart enough to realize that a dog is a part of your family. They will be with you for a long time. When I was a little kid we had a German Shepherd Doberman Pincher mix. My dad brought her home in his sport coat pocket. Her name was Lady. She lived to be eighteen. I was in college when she died. I will never forget that dog. Before that, we adopted a Norwegian Elkhound. It was about a year old when we got it, and one day the dog just wigged and tried to rip my sister's face off. Choosing a pet is a pretty big deal.
Chubbs.so for an inductive speech.. which is specific moving towards a general conclusion.. i would have three main bodies in which i would touch upon why it is better to rescue, why it doesn't really make a difference, and why it is better to buy, and then make my conclusion based on my personal opinion that poeple should rescue?
Not necessarily. You can think of Inductive speeches as you trying to induce your audience's thoughts to follow your own. So you try to present questions that the vast majority of people know the answer to. Or, you try to make statements that you know the general population is going to agree with to get them on your side. Inductive speeches have a connotation of being skeezy and manipulative - mainly because they're the primary tool of politicians and any political debate. It's important that you start with a question and then lead your audience down the path you've tailored through over-generalizations and obvious questions.
For example(below does not reflect my actual opinion. It's the quickest way I knew to write this and it will show you why people think it's skeezy. But it can be done right - just not by me right now):
You're getting a dog. Should you buy it?
Well first, let me ask you this. Have you ever heard of someone getting a dog from the pound only to realize it has some heinous behavioral issue?
*People will nod at you*
Have you ever heard of someone - maybe even a close friend - who has adopted a dog, grown to love and cherish it, only to have it die on them after a year from cancer the previous owner never disclosed?
*People will, again, nod*
I've heard of it. Numerous times. I've heard multiple stories from individuals in the ski community who have lost pets who were dear to their heart. Families whose children were separated from their best friends because they adopted a dog with a serious medical condition the pound never told them about.
Now I understand that the sick dogs are not at fault. That's not something under their control and they deserved the love they received in their last months. I, personally, would be happy knowing that I was able to comfort a dog who spent time in pain. What I would not be happy with, however, was going through the months of adjusting my life to a new dog. Purchasing all of the paraphernalia associated with owning a dog. Growing attached to a dog and planning to spend years of my life with it by my side, only to have it taken away from me and taken away from my children.
Here's another question for you: Do you have $4,000 in your bank account you're willing to give me right now?
Because if your sick dog needs surgery, the bills add up fast. A single trip to the E.R. and a night in the hospital costs right around $1200. Just imagine what surgery would cost.
So you get where I'm going with this. You ask the audience questions and give them specific instances to drive them into a general conclusion. In this case, I'm obviously driving at the conclusion of "Pound dogs are the devil" but you could do this for whatever persuasion you want. You just need to spend time and outline what you're driving at and how you'll get there.
Mr.Huck... or they could be smart enough to realize that a dog is a part of your family. They will be with you for a long time. When I was a little kid we had a German Shepherd Doberman Pincher mix. My dad brought her home in his sport coat pocket. Her name was Lady. She lived to be eighteen. I was in college when she died. I will never forget that dog. Before that, we adopted a Norwegian Elkhound. It was about a year old when we got it, and one day the dog just wigged and tried to rip my sister's face off. Choosing a pet is a pretty big deal.
Youre a dad right? Did you pay for your kids? If you pay for superior traits in a dog why dont you pay for superior traits in a child? That is unless your kids are going to be built like Lebron James and as smart as Einstein. Unless tat is the future for your kids then thry are no different than the rescue dog...free and probably not to most superb anatomical specimen but you figured "meh, screw it, its close enough and will still make me happy"
