E cigs

I just upgraded to a sigelei 150 watt and an aspire Atlantis, thing is a cloud machine

zzzskizzzDidn't click the link, don't give a shit you are wrong. The flavourings chemicals have carcinogens in them.

i fucking hate people like you

Someone earlier posted that nicotine is a carcinogen. Nicotine by itself isn't at all. The flavorings could potentially be carcinogenic, however most flavorings aren't just for vaping and the same chemicals can be found in other products you consume. Also inhaling water vapor into your lungs doesn't interfere with breathing that much except for the fact displacing a low amount of air with water vapor. Finally, e-cigs don't produce water vapor. They either produce vegetable glycerin vapor, propelyen glycol vapor, or a combo of both. Either of them have been approved for consumption in humans at the dosage you would receive from an e-cig.

TL;DR:
-Some flavorings could be carcinogenic, but the same chemicals can be found in other artificially flavored goods.
-Breathing water vapor is no more harmful than breathing in less-dense air.
-E-Cigs don't produce water vapor, they make veg. glycerin vapor, propylene glycol vapor, or a mix of both.

In the end e-cigs can almost certainly be said to be substantially safer than cigarettes.

daOysterSomeone earlier posted that nicotine is a carcinogen. Nicotine by itself isn't at all. The flavorings could potentially be carcinogenic, however most flavorings aren't just for vaping and the same chemicals can be found in other products you consume. Also inhaling water vapor into your lungs doesn't interfere with breathing that much except for the fact displacing a low amount of air with water vapor. Finally, e-cigs don't produce water vapor. They either produce vegetable glycerin vapor, propelyen glycol vapor, or a combo of both. Either of them have been approved for consumption in humans at the dosage you would receive from an e-cig.

TL;DR:
-Some flavorings could be carcinogenic, but the same chemicals can be found in other artificially flavored goods.
-Breathing water vapor is no more harmful than breathing in less-dense air.
-E-Cigs don't produce water vapor, they make veg. glycerin vapor, propylene glycol vapor, or a mix of both.

In the end e-cigs can almost certainly be said to be substantially safer than cigarettes.

This^^ I watched a BBC video and it was talking how nic is no more harmful than caffeine, and the PG and VG isn't bad.


Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkiaSW8ZR1g

*Frankie*i fucking hate people like you

Cool, doesn't change the fact I'm right.

Oh boy it contains some carcinogens. Guess what, many of the things you eat and drink contain them too. Do you eat red meat and like to cook it on a grill? You just consumed some carcinogens caused by cooking that meat at a high temp. You just drank some soda? Guess what, you most likely just consumed a few carcinogenic chemicals. Many artificial flavor additives contain chemicals that can be carcinogenic. Flavoring additives in any domain aren't regulated much and most are assigned an arbitrary value of how much can safely be consumed.

While I'm at it, just because something is labeled as carcinogenic, doesn't mean your going to get cancer from it. Carcinogens can range from anything that is proven to cause cancer to something anticipated to cause cancer without any data depending on who's classification system you use.

daOysterOh boy it contains some carcinogens. Guess what, many of the things you eat and drink contain them too. Do you eat red meat and like to cook it on a grill? You just consumed some carcinogens caused by cooking that meat at a high temp. You just drank some soda? Guess what, you most likely just consumed a few carcinogenic chemicals. Many artificial flavor additives contain chemicals that can be carcinogenic. Flavoring additives in any domain aren't regulated much and most are assigned an arbitrary value of how much can safely be consumed.

While I'm at it, just because something is labeled as carcinogenic, doesn't mean your going to get cancer from it. Carcinogens can range from anything that is proven to cause cancer to something anticipated to cause cancer without any data depending on who's classification system you use.

If e cigs are so harmless, non habit-forming and safe. Let's let kids play with them. Are they safer then cigarettes yes, are they healthy? No they are not, and unless you have a medical study not from the e cig company to state otherwise, (Not healthier alternative, but healthy) I don't even know why you are arguing.

"But meat, and alchal can kill you too" good point not what we are talking about.

Never did I say they were healthy and I don't consider them to be. They're still to relatively new to the general public for enough studies to be found that aren't directly funded by big tobacco or e-cig companies. Fun fact though, without the moa inhibitors found in regular tobacco smoke, nicotine doesn't carry much of a chemical addiction potential if you have never smoked tobacco in your life.

I will say that you do get in a habit of just vaping a lot because it's there coming from my own experience. However I've been vaping for almost 2 years now and still don't get withdraw symptoms if I stop vaping for a while.

zzzskizzzDid you even read what you just posted? That's great you posted one paragraph from something that's not even a medical case study. ecigs have carcinogens in them if you think they're a hundred percent healthy, you're a fucking moron. It's also been shown that people who smoke ecigs don't quit, because it's still addictive. Is it safer than a cigarette? Probally, is it healthy no.

You should probably look at who's running the study and where the money is coming from as well.............

that was a pretty aggravated response to a pretty fair quote from medical professionals on simply not knowing whether ecigs are less unhealthy than cigarettes and suggesting to abstain from both if possible and cigarettes moreso than ecigs if you value your health. chill.

i just bought two O.penvapes a couple weeks ago for my gf and i so i can continue getting baked by the carbon monoxide vent at my workplace (where all of my coworkers smoke cigs), and she can get ripped in her room without her parents noticing. it doubles as a stylus, doesnt have a button, charges with usb. i don't do nicotine but the vape pen technology today is dope.

Just to point out, the people who don't quit usually didn't switch to them to quit or did nothing along the lines of tapering off the nicotine by lowering the nic. content of their juice. I've seen a few people already in my family quit smoking with e-cigs and are now nicotine free thanks to them. Not to mention if you don't quit, e-cigs are a lot smaller of a burden on your wallet than cigarettes.

Well I've be so caught up in the discussion with zzzskierzzz that I forgot to post my setup. Currently on a kanger evod vv 1000mah and a kange aero tank mini. The thing is a lengthy motherfucker but that doesn't bother me at all.

daOysterWell I've be so caught up in the discussion with zzzskierzzz that I forgot to post my setup. Currently on a kanger evod vv 1000mah and a kange aero tank mini. The thing is a lengthy motherfucker but that doesn't bother me at all.

Pretty much my exact setup before I went crazy with mods

daOysterWell I've be so caught up in the discussion with zzzskierzzz that I forgot to post my setup. Currently on a kanger evod vv 1000mah and a kange aero tank mini. The thing is a lengthy motherfucker but that doesn't bother me at all.

Pretty much my exact setup before I went crazy with mods

Just bought the manger sub tank, I dig it a lot more than my Atlantis. Plus the rebuild able aspect intrigues me.

I just bought a new battery after my battery killed itself after being dropped too much. I picked up an eLeaf iStick and like it a lot.

I am hitting a panzer mech mod with a tugboat rda running dual coils at .4ohms, it chucks vapor.

FriedRicei be runnin a k100 with a trident rda at a .3ohm dual coil. and they said i couldnt drown my own lungs with formaldehyde...

I hate rebuilding with my trident it is a pain in the ass the way the posts are set up.

get a mod and blow clouds

Unfortunately mine just broke, time for a new battery.

but look out for the ingredients because some cheap liquids contain water mainly water (found in gas stations etc.) . what you want is PG or VG

JakeSalvadorbut look out for the ingredients because some cheap liquids contain water mainly water (found in gas stations etc.) . what you want is PG or VG

PG generally is for better flavor(sometimes can back more of a throat hit) and VG is more for bigger vape. I use a good 70/30 (PG/VG)mix.

My current setup is Mutation V2 Clone and Panzer Clone mod case. My coils are wrapped at about 0.84-0.85 each which gives me a combined total of 0.4 Ohms. It's pretty much a handheld fog machine.

I don't plan on cloud chasing for long just enough that I can talk about it and know what I'm talking about. I can fill my lungs with decent vape in about 2-3 seconds if I really want. I prefer to take smaller puffs with my vape though to conserve battery life also I'm not that into being the guy that's like "Look at how big of vape I can do!". I just don't think it really needs to be a competition on who can get more vape. Smoking never used to be like that However every now and then I don't mind puffing a huge cloud. I'm just not that into showing my builds off.


Also for the people looking into sub-Ohms make sure you get all the facts down pat first before toying around with builds and stuff. I almost blew up a battery myself but thankfully I managed to get lucky and it didn't explode however I used a battery that wasn't properly rated for the ohms I was wanting to use and almost went boom.

Planning on doing any builds? I recommend IMR batteries and not ICR. IMR are less dangerous than ICR. ICR batteries have more volatile ingredients, so when they go boom, They go BOOM! haha.



If you're going to do any builds check this website out: http://www.steam-engine.org/

Steam-engine is awesome for doing any builds.

My other eCig setup that isn't a mechanical mod is a MVP 2.0 and nautilus tank.



If anyone is looking at getting some stuff for decent prices check out this website: https://unlimitedecigs.com/

If I can suggest anything I would suggest taking a look at the aerotank, Nautilus and the Vamo V5, and Vamo V6.

Replying to this with out reading any posts.


They are dumb.

Lé.SkiingPG generally is for better flavor(sometimes can back more of a throat hit) and VG is more for bigger vape. I use a good 70/30 (PG/VG)mix.

My current setup is Mutation V2 Clone and Panzer Clone mod case. My coils are wrapped at about 0.84-0.85 each which gives me a combined total of 0.4 Ohms. It's pretty much a handheld fog machine.

I don't plan on cloud chasing for long just enough that I can talk about it and know what I'm talking about. I can fill my lungs with decent vape in about 2-3 seconds if I really want. I prefer to take smaller puffs with my vape though to conserve battery life also I'm not that into being the guy that's like "Look at how big of vape I can do!". I just don't think it really needs to be a competition on who can get more vape. Smoking never used to be like that However every now and then I don't mind puffing a huge cloud. I'm just not that into showing my builds off.


Also for the people looking into sub-Ohms make sure you get all the facts down pat first before toying around with builds and stuff. I almost blew up a battery myself but thankfully I managed to get lucky and it didn't explode however I used a battery that wasn't properly rated for the ohms I was wanting to use and almost went boom.

Planning on doing any builds? I recommend IMR batteries and not ICR. IMR are less dangerous than ICR. ICR batteries have more volatile ingredients, so when they go boom, They go BOOM! haha.



If you're going to do any builds check this website out: http://www.steam-engine.org/

Steam-engine is awesome for doing any builds.

My other eCig setup that isn't a mechanical mod is a MVP 2.0 and nautilus tank.



If anyone is looking at getting some stuff for decent prices check out this website: https://unlimitedecigs.com/

If I can suggest anything I would suggest taking a look at the aerotank, Nautilus and the Vamo V5, and Vamo V6.

the new sub ohm tanks like the delta 2, manger subtank and aspire Atlantis are worth looking at. I have both the subtank and the Atlantis, I would recommend the subtank more because it has better flavor. Supposedly the delta 2 is bteer than either of them, and I get that in the mail in the next few days so I'm stoked about that hqha

fghtoffyrdmnsthe new sub ohm tanks like the delta 2, manger subtank and aspire Atlantis are worth looking at. I have both the subtank and the Atlantis, I would recommend the subtank more because it has better flavor. Supposedly the delta 2 is bteer than either of them, and I get that in the mail in the next few days so I'm stoked about that hqha

Yah, I've read up a bit on them they seem ok. I was kind of excited to try the Kanger Turbo (quad coil). Turns out they are garbage though. The one person I know that got one says that the power distribution sucks in them. He said he was running into the issue that it would only fire on one dual coil at a time. I'm probably going to be getting an Atlantis soon. I have heard some people talking about the subtank. I haven't heard much from people who have used it though. I would be interested in trying more kanger stuff out if they didn't make really crappy stuff. lol

Most common issue I see from kanger are coils that don't always work right out of the package. hahaha

Lé.SkiingYah, I've read up a bit on them they seem ok. I was kind of excited to try the Kanger Turbo (quad coil). Turns out they are garbage though. The one person I know that got one says that the power distribution sucks in them. He said he was running into the issue that it would only fire on one dual coil at a time. I'm probably going to be getting an Atlantis soon. I have heard some people talking about the subtank. I haven't heard much from people who have used it though. I would be interested in trying more kanger stuff out if they didn't make really crappy stuff. lol

Most common issue I see from kanger are coils that don't always work right out of the package. hahaha

I like both my Atlantis and sub tank but I'm stoked to try out that joke tech delta 2....a tank that fires at up to 70 watts, put me in coach lol

the atlantis on a 35A efest + mech mod isnt great i'd recommend getting a variable wattage box mod because mechs just burn out the the coils really quick and i had to change the drip tip to stop from getting juice in my mouth
i'm to broke to buy atlantis attys atm so i'm running a .5 ohm twisted coil on a rda
its amazing

check out r/coilporn if you build coils and want some inspiration they go crazy on there

iStick Eleaf box mod. Nautilus mini. (Daily)
Smoktech Magneto. Nautilus.
Innokin SVD. Iclear 30S.
Coolfire. Iclear 30S.

Currently been on a beantown vapor kick. Kermit the fog and Snozzberry. And Classified liquids Delight.

I've been watching reviews on some of the setups you guys run, this setup in particular looks fucking sweet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icovFSYcyEE

I have no idea what I'm doing and just want the right affordable setup that will perform decent and also blow huge clouds when I'm feeling obnoxious.

Can someone recommend something for me please?

yunglean2002I've been watching reviews on some of the setups you guys run, this setup in particular looks fucking sweet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icovFSYcyEE

I have no idea what I'm doing and just want the right affordable setup that will perform decent and also blow huge clouds when I'm feeling obnoxious.

Can someone recommend something for me please?

I have the sigelei 150 watt and the Atlantis I'd recommend it. I also have the sub tank and dig that a lot as well

fghtoffyrdmnsI have the sigelei 150 watt and the Atlantis I'd recommend it. I also have the sub tank and dig that a lot as well

thanks man any recommendations on where to buy or just straight from their own websites?

Ecig gritty.com is a good one, there's a code you can get on the reddit r/ecigs page to get a good percentage off

*eciggity.com

if anyone has the same questions i just did, refer to this http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/1zqb5l/

yunglean2002if anyone has the same questions i just did, refer to this http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/1zqb5l/

If you wNt clouds I wouldn't go with the stick nautilus combo...I'd go with the Atlantis and cf sub ohm as a starter but honestly I'd recommend the sigelei because dat battery life

yunglean2002if anyone has the same questions i just did, refer to this http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/1zqb5l/

If you're looking for liquid I would recommend Unlimited eCigs. It's inexpensive and good quality.

Lé.SkiingIf you're looking for liquid I would recommend Unlimited eCigs. It's inexpensive and good quality.

Fuck yeah, can vouch.

i have a cloupor t5 with the tobh atty v3 as a dripper. thing boosts but cloupor is a shitty brand

itsbenyoi have a cloupor t5 with the tobh atty v3 as a dripper. thing boosts but cloupor is a shitty brand

What do you think makes cloupor a shitty brand? I've thought about the T5 because it looks sick and gives me everything I would need. The T6 looks pretty cool too, also has the added bonus of taking a 26650 battery. 5000mAh just sounds so attractive for someone who vapes a lot. hahaha

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A Look at Formaldehyde Levels Found in E-Cig Vapor

Recently we reported on a story out of Japan evaluating levels of formaldehyde released through vaping. Yesterday another study on this same topic was published in the New England Journal of Medicine and has been picked up by mainstream media. In this study, researchers measured formaldehyde using a variable voltage battery set at 3.3 and 5 volts. The vapor was collected and evaluated from an unnamed atomizer after a 4 second puff. The study found that at low voltage (3.3V) no formaldehyde was detected. However, at high voltage (5.0V), levels of formaldehyde were detected at levels up to 15 times higher than cigarette smoke.

Without further investigation on the methods and conclusion of this study, the results are very alarming. We feel it is our responsibility to dig deeper and provide the public with the whole truth.

One glaring problem with this publication is the researchers found formaldehyde hemiacetals (a combination of formaldehyde and alcohols) not formaldehyde. It is also important to know that formaldehyde is present everywhere. It is found in every person, smokers and nonsmokers alike, and can occur anytime hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen are in the presence of each other.

The truth is, this study is deeply flawed in many ways. In fact, it is highly irresponsible to publish a half truth and present it as science. For starters, as outlined by Dr. Konstantino Farsalinos, the authors of this study failed to mention (perhaps unknowingly) that volts do not measure thermal energy. Energy should be expressed in watts. Therefore, with the published information we do not know how many watts were applied to the atomizer.

Fortunately, Dr. Farsalinos used the information that was provided to approximate wattage settings. According to the study, 5mg of e-liquid were consumed at 3.3 volts. Based on measurements performed by Farsalinos, “…such consumption is observed at about 6-7 watts at 4-second puffs. Thus, the atomizer resistance is probably 1.6-1.8 ohms. This means that at 5 volts the energy was around 14-16 watts.”

So, what does this mean in terms of realistic user conditions? If the resistance was between 1.6-1.8 ohms and the wattage is somewhere between 14-16 watts, the vaporizer is being overheated and the wicking material is being burned. Essentially, these researchers are collecting data on a dry or burnt hit.

What the authors of this study aren’t accounting for is how easily this scenario is detected by the user. An electronic cigarette user would never vape at these settings. No one continuously vapes an overheated atomizer. The taste is unpleasant, to put it mildly. Therefore, no vaper will ever be exposed to the reported levels of formaldehyde.

We can’t wait to get these in your hands! We know you’ll be quite pleased as your rDNA 40s begin to arrive in early January. All orders currently processing will ship within the next few weeks. No more backorders!

This method of measuring aldehydes in a lab environment is deceptive and unfair. The public deserves clear and concise results from scientific studies. If researchers continue to publish misleading findings and the media continues with its sensationalism the results can be damaging. How many smokers are afraid to switch to a device that could potentially save their lives?

For a more detailed breakdown on this study, I urge you to read Dr. Farsalinos’ response by following this link: http://www.ecigarette-research.com

Sources:

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1413069
http://abcn.ws/1BItJS
http://ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/2013-04-07-09-50-07/2015/191-form-nejm
http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/01/new-study-reports-high-levels-of.html

there was a new study (poorly done) that has hit the news and for any that have seen it, please read this message from vaporshark.com, a highly respected manufacturer and icon in the vapor world.


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A Look at Formaldehyde Levels Found in E-Cig Vapor

Recently we reported on a story out of Japan evaluating levels of formaldehyde released through vaping. Yesterday another study on this same topic was published in the New England Journal of Medicine and has been picked up by mainstream media. In this study, researchers measured formaldehyde using a variable voltage battery set at 3.3 and 5 volts. The vapor was collected and evaluated from an unnamed atomizer after a 4 second puff. The study found that at low voltage (3.3V) no formaldehyde was detected. However, at high voltage (5.0V), levels of formaldehyde were detected at levels up to 15 times higher than cigarette smoke.

Without further investigation on the methods and conclusion of this study, the results are very alarming. We feel it is our responsibility to dig deeper and provide the public with the whole truth.

One glaring problem with this publication is the researchers found formaldehyde hemiacetals (a combination of formaldehyde and alcohols) not formaldehyde. It is also important to know that formaldehyde is present everywhere. It is found in every person, smokers and nonsmokers alike, and can occur anytime hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen are in the presence of each other.

The truth is, this study is deeply flawed in many ways. In fact, it is highly irresponsible to publish a half truth and present it as science. For starters, as outlined by Dr. Konstantino Farsalinos, the authors of this study failed to mention (perhaps unknowingly) that volts do not measure thermal energy. Energy should be expressed in watts. Therefore, with the published information we do not know how many watts were applied to the atomizer.

Fortunately, Dr. Farsalinos used the information that was provided to approximate wattage settings. According to the study, 5mg of e-liquid were consumed at 3.3 volts. Based on measurements performed by Farsalinos, “…such consumption is observed at about 6-7 watts at 4-second puffs. Thus, the atomizer resistance is probably 1.6-1.8 ohms. This means that at 5 volts the energy was around 14-16 watts.”

So, what does this mean in terms of realistic user conditions? If the resistance was between 1.6-1.8 ohms and the wattage is somewhere between 14-16 watts, the vaporizer is being overheated and the wicking material is being burned. Essentially, these researchers are collecting data on a dry or burnt hit.

What the authors of this study aren’t accounting for is how easily this scenario is detected by the user. An electronic cigarette user would never vape at these settings. No one continuously vapes an overheated atomizer. The taste is unpleasant, to put it mildly. Therefore, no vaper will ever be exposed to the reported levels of formaldehyde.

We can’t wait to get these in your hands! We know you’ll be quite pleased as your rDNA 40s begin to arrive in early January. All orders currently processing will ship within the next few weeks. No more backorders!

This method of measuring aldehydes in a lab environment is deceptive and unfair. The public deserves clear and concise results from scientific studies. If researchers continue to publish misleading findings and the media continues with its sensationalism the results can be damaging. How many smokers are afraid to switch to a device that could potentially save their lives?

For a more detailed breakdown on this study, I urge you to read Dr. Farsalinos’ response by following this link: http://www.ecigarette-research.com

Sources:

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1413069
http://abcn.ws/1BItJS
http://ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/2013-04-07-09-50-07/2015/191-form-nejm
http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/01/new-study-reports-high-levels-of.html

there was a new study (poorly done) that has hit the news and for any that have seen it, please read this message from vaporshark.com, a highly respected manufacturer and icon in the vapor world.


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A Look at Formaldehyde Levels Found in E-Cig Vapor

Recently we reported on a story out of Japan evaluating levels of formaldehyde released through vaping. Yesterday another study on this same topic was published in the New England Journal of Medicine and has been picked up by mainstream media. In this study, researchers measured formaldehyde using a variable voltage battery set at 3.3 and 5 volts. The vapor was collected and evaluated from an unnamed atomizer after a 4 second puff. The study found that at low voltage (3.3V) no formaldehyde was detected. However, at high voltage (5.0V), levels of formaldehyde were detected at levels up to 15 times higher than cigarette smoke.

Without further investigation on the methods and conclusion of this study, the results are very alarming. We feel it is our responsibility to dig deeper and provide the public with the whole truth.

One glaring problem with this publication is the researchers found formaldehyde hemiacetals (a combination of formaldehyde and alcohols) not formaldehyde. It is also important to know that formaldehyde is present everywhere. It is found in every person, smokers and nonsmokers alike, and can occur anytime hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen are in the presence of each other.

The truth is, this study is deeply flawed in many ways. In fact, it is highly irresponsible to publish a half truth and present it as science. For starters, as outlined by Dr. Konstantino Farsalinos, the authors of this study failed to mention (perhaps unknowingly) that volts do not measure thermal energy. Energy should be expressed in watts. Therefore, with the published information we do not know how many watts were applied to the atomizer.

Fortunately, Dr. Farsalinos used the information that was provided to approximate wattage settings. According to the study, 5mg of e-liquid were consumed at 3.3 volts. Based on measurements performed by Farsalinos, “…such consumption is observed at about 6-7 watts at 4-second puffs. Thus, the atomizer resistance is probably 1.6-1.8 ohms. This means that at 5 volts the energy was around 14-16 watts.”

So, what does this mean in terms of realistic user conditions? If the resistance was between 1.6-1.8 ohms and the wattage is somewhere between 14-16 watts, the vaporizer is being overheated and the wicking material is being burned. Essentially, these researchers are collecting data on a dry or burnt hit.

What the authors of this study aren’t accounting for is how easily this scenario is detected by the user. An electronic cigarette user would never vape at these settings. No one continuously vapes an overheated atomizer. The taste is unpleasant, to put it mildly. Therefore, no vaper will ever be exposed to the reported levels of formaldehyde.

We can’t wait to get these in your hands! We know you’ll be quite pleased as your rDNA 40s begin to arrive in early January. All orders currently processing will ship within the next few weeks. No more backorders!

This method of measuring aldehydes in a lab environment is deceptive and unfair. The public deserves clear and concise results from scientific studies. If researchers continue to publish misleading findings and the media continues with its sensationalism the results can be damaging. How many smokers are afraid to switch to a device that could potentially save their lives?

For a more detailed breakdown on this study, I urge you to read Dr. Farsalinos’ response by following this link: http://www.ecigarette-research.com

Sources:

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1413069
http://abcn.ws/1BItJS
http://ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/2013-04-07-09-50-07/2015/191-form-nejm
http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/01/new-study-reports-high-levels-of.html

no clue how the triple post happened, mods feel free to delete two of them

ThisCldScareUthere was a new study (poorly done) that has hit the news

Its not poorly done. Its just not applicable to the real world.
Their research is "valid" in that they showed accurately that running 15 watts through a CE4 releases formaldehyde-hemawhatevers.
Thats all peer review cares about, it's the reporting of the study by journalists where it goes wrong.

omnidataIts not poorly done. Its just not applicable to the real world.
Their research is "valid" in that they showed accurately that running 15 watts through a CE4 releases formaldehyde-hemawhatevers.
Thats all peer review cares about, it's the reporting of the study by journalists where it goes wrong.

I agree on the journalism side of things, but you can't exactly do a this or that study on something that can be variable as ecigs. Doing a study at 3V and 15V and only using those data points is bad sience. That's like mcdonalds doing a study and saying if you eat one French fry you probably won't get heart disease but if you eat a barrel of French fries, it could lead to that. There has to be data points where an average user would using it at and that was mentioned in the article.

omnidataIts not poorly done. Its just not applicable to the real world.
Their research is "valid" in that they showed accurately that running 15 watts through a CE4 releases formaldehyde-hemawhatevers.
Thats all peer review cares about, it's the reporting of the study by journalists where it goes wrong.

The point that I was trying to make is that dumb people in this thread and who use e cigs are trying to say this is healthy and not unhealthy. At the end of the day you're putting something into your lungs, and there's basically been little to no research done on it. It's not healthy that's the point I'm making, down vote and hate away doesn't change the fact it's not healthy.

I've got the new Innokin iTaste MVP 20W with a Kanger Mega Aero Tank. In regards to formaldehyde, my local tape shop makes the juice on site in front of you. He's got journals and alaysis' of all his ingredients. I rip some clean ass juice.

The delta 2 is so nice oh my god

Went out and bought a tesla spider battery with an aspire k1 (I think that's what the tank is called) for like $50. Came with some free juice and it works really well, I'm happy.

ive had a inferno. i dont recommend it, it kinda blows... looking for a new one at the moment. any input?