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yuckim gonna go ahead and say that hunting is unnecessary, but relatively not a big deal compared to other ethical issues people have to worry about. nobody NEEDS to hunt because nobody is a fucking pioneer anymore. However, some people hunt because they enjoy it and can still justify what theyre doing by actually using the animal. But I wouldnt really believe anyone trying to rationalize their need to hunt being anything more than for the enjoyment. people hunt because they want to, i dont really see any denying that.
as for the cruelty thing, fuck that. nature is cruel, and the food industry is arguably worse. the deer can get shot, or it can get devoured alive by wolves, or hit by a car, so getting shot and bleeding out in a couple minutes is a pretty good way to go, by deer standards.
the idea of animals getting hit and running off to die is sad though, especially if the body's not found and the animal essentially dies in vain.
my 2 cents
yuckim gonna go ahead and say that hunting is unnecessary, but relatively not a big deal compared to other ethical issues people have to worry about. nobody NEEDS to hunt because nobody is a fucking pioneer anymore. However, some people hunt because they enjoy it and can still justify what theyre doing by actually using the animal. But I wouldnt really believe anyone trying to rationalize their need to hunt being anything more than for the enjoyment. people hunt because they want to, i dont really see any denying that.
as for the cruelty thing, fuck that. nature is cruel, and the food industry is arguably worse. the deer can get shot, or it can get devoured alive by wolves, or hit by a car, so getting shot and bleeding out in a couple minutes is a pretty good way to go, by deer standards.
the idea of animals getting hit and running off to die is sad though, especially if the body's not found and the animal essentially dies in vain.
my 2 cents
El_Barto.Instead of your anecdotal evidence i will use a real life example. Canada has far less hunting than the US and far less crime than the US. What more proof do you need? Reducing hunting will reduce gun violence because those guns wont be available to shoot people with
Chubz.Hunting is cruel. If you hurt animals you're a disgusting waste of human life.
Not to mention a fucking HICK
VT_FLOInstead of your anecdotal evidence i will use a real life example. Canada has far less black people than the US and far less crime than the US. What more proof do you need? Reducing black people will reduce gun violence because those guns wont be available to shoot people with
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My point is that you're a fucking idiot.
El_Barto.All im saying is that the majority of hunters only do it because they like killing stuff and they just let the animals rot in the forest. These hunters have high powered guns like the batman movie shooter. Making huntig illegal would limit these guns and thus reduce crime rates.
If you like high crime rates i guess you should support hunting. I like safe schools for our children so i dont support hunting or hunters
liftedresearcherthe Aurora shooter used a smith and wesson M&P15 which is a .223 caliber tactical gun. you cant use a caliber that small for hunting big game in Canada, i'm not sure if it is the same down in the states.
also i don't know one person who would shoot an animal and leave it. I don't know where you are getting these numbers where "most" hunters are leaving animals to rot, but you're looking stupid claiming that.
do some research before you go on the internet and call out everyone in a specific group.
liftedresearcherI would rather eat meat that I have hunted over supermarket meat. and, no, I'm not a redneck. slaughterhouses are notoriously inhumane to livestock. in my opinion, shooting an animal that has lived a life in the wild is a lot more humane than an animal that raised in a pen and then sent to slaughter, what kind of life is that? Plus meat from a wild animal is as organic as it can get, it hasn't been given antibiotics or hormones or any of that shit.
i don't know where you guys are from, but where I live and hunt, everyone I know is in it for the meat. not the trophy. if you shoot a trophy buck, its an added bonus, but the meat will all be used, plus the hide makes an awesome blanket or rug. I can eat venison or ruffed grouse pretty much all year, be it jerky, burgers, steak or sausage. Its nice to know where my meat has came from, because I shot it and processed it.
hunting is also a method of conservation. deer would be overpopulated to fuck if hunting wasn't allowed. overpopulation would lead to disease spread and other issues in the population. people would be hitting deer on the road all the time.
its fine to be against hunting, its your opinion, just don't go out and bash hunters calling them inhumane redneck idiots. cause most of us are just normal civilized people putting food on the table for our friends and family.
El_Barto.Instead of your anecdotal evidence i will use a real life example. Canada has far less hunting than the US and far less crime than the US. What more proof do you need? Reducing hunting will reduce gun violence because those guns wont be available to shoot people with
El_Barto.Look, there is no need to be racist. I didnt mention black people or anything like that so I dont see why youre bringing them into this.
All im saying is that the majority of hunters only do it because they like killing stuff and they just let the animals rot in the forest. These hunters have high powered guns like the batman movie shooter. Making huntig illegal would limit these guns and thus reduce crime rates.
If you like high crime rates i guess you should support hunting. I like safe schools for our children so i dont support hunting or hunters
El_Barto.Im not even calling anyone out. Im just saying that hunting is wrong because there are perfectly good dead animals to eat from the grocery store. These already dead animals feel very little or no pain because if genetic engineering leaving them with dampened nervous systems. Yet you think its ok to go make wild animals suffer for really no reason besides that its fun to shoot em.
graileywaltonActually bud the guy in the batman shooting was using an asult rifle capiible of holding tons of ammo. The typical deer rifle is a bold action rifle that only holds 3-4 rounds. So before you start putting your 2 cents in think with your head
El_Barto.Instead of your anecdotal evidence i will use a real life example. Canada has far less hunting than the US and far less crime than the US. What more proof do you need? Reducing hunting will reduce gun violence because those guns wont be available to shoot people with
Beetle_KillStop being a troll. You should fact check your self.
Per capita Canada Canada ranks 3rd in domestic gun ownership, the US and Norway are first and second.
The majority of Gun crimes are not committed with high powered hunting rifles, or by individuals who hunt.
The majority of guns in Canada are used for hunting, that is not the case in the US.
You are talking about very different things, you have a limited education on the subject and you are heavily biased... but just keep trolling.
VinnieFI may be being trolled by someone who was trying to troll a troll trolling a troll here...
but YOU should fact check. Canada is 13th in domestic gun ownership and the vast majority of guns in Canada are NOT used to hunt (although they may be meant for hunting)
SnowshoeThompsonThere is no doubt in my mind that hunting provides benefits to the environment but the majority of people i know that hunt don't hunt because they care about the environment or because they just cant live without elk or deer meat in their freezer. They do it because they think there is sport in tracking and shooting at an animal with a high powered rife. Plus after they bag these animals they try to give the majority of the meat away because they don't even know what to do with it all which is annoying as fuck.
Beetle_KillStop being a troll. You should fact check your self.
Per capita Canada Canada ranks 3rd in domestic gun ownership, the US and Norway are first and second.
The majority of Gun crimes are not committed with high powered hunting rifles, or by individuals who hunt.
The majority of guns in Canada are used for hunting, that is not the case in the US.
You are talking about very different things, you have a limited education on the subject and you are heavily biased... but just keep trolling.
El_Barto.i dont understand how anyone can even try to argue with me on this. America has the most amount of guns because we have the most amount of hunting. America has the most amount of gun violence because we have the most amount of guns.
Do you all not remember the transitive property?
caroline.As someone with a background in ecology I will always advocate for hunters. An extreme minority of hunters are ignorant gun nuts. Most work hard for their kills and see hunting as a chance to connect with nature. Hunters are conservationists, note that difference between preservation. Since apex predators have been anihannihilated on most of the planet, ecosystems are severely compromised. Reduction of apex predators causes over population of herd animals like white tailes and elk and a massive release of meso predators like coyote and fox. Our ecosystems are fucked, and until apex predators are able to control certain prey animal ppopulatios they'll remain that way. Hunters fill the void. Look into the research behind riparian area health in Yellowstone, and the fact that stream banks and wetlands in Rocky mountain national park have had to be fenced off from massive sedentary elk populations. You want free range organic meat? Kill it yourself. Every hunter I know uses their kill down to the guts. Tags are expensive, and hunting is hard. Hunter groups like ducks unlimited and the Rocky mountain elk foundation help conserve habitat and spend serious cash that goes directly to wildlife management and conservation. Gun nuts with ar15s do not represent hunters as a whole. Neither do tea party fuckheads. Talk to a bow hunter, he/ she will change your mind if you're against hunting.
VinnieFAlthough the reason for the lack of apex predators is hunters in the first place. It's a bit backwards to say 'look what good they're doing ' when they're the ones that caused the problem.
But I agree hunting can be good.
caroline.Eh the problem was mainly habitat loss and yes "hunters" and fur trappers didn't help. Hunters now are not the same as they were 200 years ago. For example, americans were told to shoot every wolf on sight then, that's not hunting, that's just murder.
In addition, I have kind of a problem with hunting mountain lions, bears and wolves and other large carnivores. You can't really eat them and in order to ensure you bag one you need dogs. It's a trophy and nothing else, plus those carnivores have a low population and hard enough time anyway. Black bears in some areas may be an exception to that, like in wildland urban interface communities where they eat trash and Chihuahuas. The only reason we hunt these types of animals to "control their numbers" is because we keep these numbers really really small because we're afraid. A bear wanders into a neighborhood for the first time "oh shit the bear population is too big because they're not where the belong." No, they were there before we were.
TinyTigershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUyQqJi1_DY
ChubbyBoyIf you're not eating what you kill then you shouldn't be hunting. No animal deserves to be shot because you have the right to a gun and then stuffed by a taxidermist. However if you eat what you kill then all to you. It's a bit hypocritical on anyones behalf that eats meat to turn around and say that hunting to kill and eat is wrong.
However, onto my second point. Hunting should be done in moderation and with strict rules. Now I'm not familiar with rules in America and Canada to when you can/can't hunt and what not but in Australia we have fairly strict rules to what you can hunt and when. We also have national parks where you can't hunt which I think is great.
