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JahLiama switch underflip is a switch underflip, and a switch cork 5 is a switch cork 5.
He's saying the motion is the same you idiot, which they are. Someone could be trying a sw cork 5 and accidentally do sw underflip, or vice versa. The distinction between the two tricks is very objective
BrownBomberHe's saying the motion is the same you idiot, which they are. Someone could be trying a sw cork 5 and accidentally do sw underflip, or vice versa. The distinction between the two tricks is very objective
well in that case a misty 5 and rodeo 5 is the same because they are the same motion.... one is just up and one is down
skebumwwell in that case a misty 5 and rodeo 5 is the same because they are the same motion.... one is just up and one is down
Not really at all though. The flip part of a misty is forwards and the flip part of rodeo is backwards. A comparable would be regular underflip and cork 5 spinning the same way. The only difference is the cork is far less inverted. Underflip is basically a backflip 180 where the head straight under toes, and the rotation is set as 90 - flip - 90.
In this case, what they did in svlsh I would consider a switch overflip or misty, because the flip rotation was forwards in relation to the direction the skier was travelling. A switch underflip IS pretty much an over-inverted switch rodeo or sw cork 5 if you take into account the direction the skier is travelling.
The body motion can be the same for certain tricks if you don't account for direction of travel. Think trampoline: a misty 5 is the same body motion as a sw rodeo 5..
Why do people always try and make this shit complicated? It isn't.
And, sorry nerds, sw cork 5 nd sw underflip are nearly the same trick, and if you had five people watching someone hitting a jump, they might be split on what it was. The grab being done can really alter how it looks. Lots of people learn tricks on slightly different axises, shit not even all cork7s or 3s look exactly alike. Some people get a lot closer to that d spin axis where as some people are more on a slightly backwards uphill tilted angle.
wanna argue? Go watch misty 5's and overflips. It's the same thing. We were having this same debate in 07 when yeah dude came out and pete olenick was dumping out those overflip truck drivers.
casualWhy do people always try and make this shit complicated? It isn't.
And, sorry nerds, sw cork 5 nd sw underflip are nearly the same trick, and if you had five people watching someone hitting a jump, they might be split on what it was. The grab being done can really alter how it looks. Lots of people learn tricks on slightly different axises, shit not even all cork7s or 3s look exactly alike. Some people get a lot closer to that d spin axis where as some people are more on a slightly backwards uphill tilted angle.
wanna argue? Go watch misty 5's and overflips. It's the same thing. We were having this same debate in 07 when yeah dude came out and pete olenick was dumping out those overflip truck drivers.
I can't believe how many people have this wrong. Watch the "sw misty 5" gif. You identify the trick by the way a person swings himself on a set axis, now imagine he threw himself exactly the same way, but facing forward (imaginary uphill jump). Underflip.
Not sure exactly what an underflip is on skis but if it's like an underflip on snerberds i've seen plenty. Remember seeing a couple people doing a bunch at waste 5 or 6 years ago but they were "switch rodeos". That said was basically a switch underflip whether they were doing them wrong or not.
casualwanna argue? Go watch misty 5's and overflips. It's the same thing.
They are not the same thing. They are thrown almost the same exact way but they are two different axis. I always used to do misty 5's and a couple times some ended up being super overflippy.
LemuelThey are not the same thing. They are thrown almost the same exact way but they are two different axis. I always used to do misty 5's and a couple times some ended up being super overflippy.
I understand what you're trying to say, but you just yourself proved my point. You say they're thrown the same exact way, you start and finish in the same position, and when you throw one or the other, you might not be that sure until you see video of it what you actually did or what it looked like.
The only difference is that the overflip is more 90 down hill lincoln 90, where as a misty is almost identical except you throw the shoulder kind of right on take off on a diagonal down instead of the 90 lincoln. My point isn't that they're absolutely the same trick, my point is that people do these tricks with variation person to person, and even attempt to attempt for the same person. If you can line up 10 people who know ski tricks and have someone who kind of does a "tweener" you're going to have a lot of different opinions about what just happened.
I only really call it an under/overflip if the person spends basically the entire time airborne perpendicular (kind of cartwheeling) towards the landing. If they take off with that arm up and throw that distinctive downercut when they pop and the rotation is a constant speed stopping when they land, it looks more misty.
casualThe only difference is that the overflip is more 90 down hill lincoln 90, where as a misty is almost identical except you throw the shoulder kind of right on take off on a diagonal down instead of the 90 lincoln
You are mostly correct however, an overflip is actually a bio 180 to backflip. When done properly they look nothing like misties. So a switch underflip would be a switch cork 180 to backflip.
TRVP_LVRDYou are mostly correct however, an overflip is actually a bio 180 to backflip. When done properly they look nothing like misties. So a switch underflip would be a switch cork 180 to backflip.
TRVP_LVRDWow what a flawless, well thought out response. You sure did support your argument in so many ways.
Honestly, I thought you were trying to be funny. What am I supposed to say to that? A bio 180? What the fuck is a bio 180? A switch cork 180? What?
I explained what an overflip is, I explained what a misty flip is, they're really similar, and you claimed that when done right, "they look nothing alike". If those things are really how you see it, that's fine man, I don't really care one way or another, but I'm pretty sure you're the minority.
Both tricks have the same amount of rotation (360 degrees of flipping, and 180 degrees of spinning. You take off forward, and land backward. One has a little more separation between the spinning on the two different axis (overflip, spin 90 flip 360, spin 90, and one sort of blends the rotation on 2 axis simultaneously (misty, spinning and flipping simultaneously).
SOME people (and I'm talking people that invented this sport) will tell you a misty 5 and an overflip are two names for one trick. I don't agree, but the difference is almost subjective unless the person has really exaggerated prewind, or a distinctive/textbook/aerialsish downward diagonal "punch" on the take off.
what the fuck... I don't even know what half the fools on this site are talking/arguing about anymore. but to answer the OP, yes, that has certainly been done before. probably not the best looking trick depending on who's trying it, but definitely not impossible by any means...
i think if anyone gets credit for inventing the underflip, which is sort of crazy to make a claim on, it's vinnie dorion. almost positive about that. im 100% sure mike wilson didn't invent it that's for sure haha
i really don't know why skiing is so into splitting hairs on trick names and getting into these retarded discussions. i only say overflip every now and then to describe a particularly vertical misty 5
and to the retard thinking that switch misty 5 is a switch underflip, the only tricks that change rotation direction based on how you take off are (switch) front and backflips. for example, the latter 7 of a switch misty 9 looks the exact same as a forward switch misty 7
