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Stuck to your skis

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L0gan
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Hey NS,

This is my first forum, but I was thinking, most of the time when people slam really hard their skis pop off right? And sometimes your skis will pop off for no reason, or you fall and they don't come off. Also, we probably all have that one friend where their ski comes off just about everyother slam. Is there such a thing as a binding that doesn't just un-click itself? I mean you could tighten your dins as much as you want, but they don't stay on no matter what. I never really had a problem with my skis falling off, but I bet some people do. I would think there was something by now to keep you feet permanently attached to your skis while going down the mountain. Maybe it's a bad idea though. people would probably be tomahawking down the landings of jumps. So is there such a thing? Or would it just be a bad idea? If this is a new concept, someone should make a design. I bet for some weird reason people would buy these. Could just be asking for a broken leg tho
Oct 23 2014 7:31PM
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Old-schooler.
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The best thing that I can think of is to just start off at 1 and raise the din till they don't come off... But it sounds like you've already tried that. Also check for ice in the bindings?
Oct 23 2014 7:36PM
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IKEA
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my acls started to hurt when i read this
Oct 23 2014 7:44PM
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Drail
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Non releasable bindings? Sure, if you wanna go back 100 years in ski binding technology and are down with snapping your leg.
Oct 23 2014 7:53PM
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SnowMiser
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If you buy really nice Marker/Pivot/Rossi bindings, the technology involved minimizes extraneous ejections. (Not to sound like an ass) but if you're new to the sport, chances are you aren't riding Grade A bindings, and these ejections could just be from lower quality gear.
Oct 23 2014 8:01PM
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BWalmer
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L0ganMaybe it's a bad idea though. people would probably be tomahawking down the landings of jumps. So is there such a thing? Or would it just be a bad idea? If this is a new concept, someone should make a design. I bet for some weird reason people would buy these. Could just be asking for a broken leg tho


Maybe it's a bad idea? It's a horrible idea.

Bindings release for a reason. Most people who pre-release a lot either don't have the forward pressure set right or don't take care of their bindings/boots so they're trashed.
Oct 23 2014 8:01PM
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zwilly
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You would probably eventually just rip the bindings off your skis and tear both your acls at the same time.
Oct 23 2014 8:09PM
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LamieJ
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Bindings are literally created specifically to release when there is a certain amount of pressure to avoid brutal knee damage... There is a very important reason they release
Oct 23 2014 9:27PM
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PattyAlpaugh
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Kush
Oct 23 2014 11:18PM
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5280
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The reason your not permanently attached to your bindings is so when you take a huge fall and start tumbling down the mountain your legs don't get torn to shreds. Just get nicer binding.
Oct 23 2014 11:28PM
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suup
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snow blades mane
Oct 23 2014 11:41PM
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steezburgereddie
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Maybe your heel peice is to far away from the toe peice. Take them to a shop and have them adjusted.
Oct 24 2014 12:02AM
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Jibberino
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L0ganHey NS,

This is my first forum, but I was thinking, most of the time when people slam really hard their skis pop off right? And sometimes your skis will pop off for no reason, or you fall and they don't come off. Also, we probably all have that one friend where their ski comes off just about everyother slam. Is there such a thing as a binding that doesn't just un-click itself? I mean you could tighten your dins as much as you want, but they don't stay on no matter what. I never really had a problem with my skis falling off, but I bet some people do. I would think there was something by now to keep you feet permanently attached to your skis while going down the mountain. Maybe it's a bad idea though. people would probably be tomahawking down the landings of jumps. So is there such a thing? Or would it just be a bad idea? If this is a new concept, someone should make a design. I bet for some weird reason people would buy these. Could just be asking for a broken leg tho



The only people that would buy non release bindings would be stupid people, or people who enjoy breaking bones and snapping ligaments. I'm guessing you didn't think this one through.
Oct 24 2014 6:40AM
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cannonballer
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Yes. it's called snowboarding
Oct 24 2014 8:13AM
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Twandos
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Everybody with me now!!!!!
Oct 24 2014 9:35AM
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lineskis413
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were you dropped on your head as a child?
Oct 24 2014 10:28AM
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onLINE
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When I was 14 back when the first Salomon 1080 was released, when we had had no "park" or "freestyle" or "freeride" bindings I thought it would be a good idea to crank my din to prevent premature ejection.

I broke my tibia that year. On Christmas eve. On the landing of 15ft jump...

Cant think of one binding manufacturer that would actually produce a binding like you suggest. There's such a thing as safety standards for binding manufacturers.

We were all 14 once though I forgive you for this thread.
Oct 24 2014 10:41AM
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Mr.Bishop
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L0ganHey NS,

This is my first forum, but I was thinking, most of the time when people slam really hard their skis pop off right? And sometimes your skis will pop off for no reason, or you fall and they don't come off. Also, we probably all have that one friend where their ski comes off just about everyother slam. Is there such a thing as a binding that doesn't just un-click itself? I mean you could tighten your dins as much as you want, but they don't stay on no matter what. I never really had a problem with my skis falling off, but I bet some people do. I would think there was something by now to keep you feet permanently attached to your skis while going down the mountain. Maybe it's a bad idea though. people would probably be tomahawking down the landings of jumps. So is there such a thing? Or would it just be a bad idea? If this is a new concept, someone should make a design. I bet for some weird reason people would buy these. Could just be asking for a broken leg tho


Honestly man, something not a lot of people realize is that your bindings really need to be set correctly. ITs not just about din, Forwards pressure is SUPER important. Every binding has to be carefully adjusted for this. Its really easy if you know what you're doing, but if its wrong then even if your bindings are set to the right DIN your skis will fall off.

As others have said, you WANT those bindings to come off when your leg is twisting. Skis act like gigantic levers applying massive amounts of rotational force to your legs. Its either lose the skis, or bones/ligaments/joints/whatever snaps.

The only time people should ever be really cranking your dins is when you're Seth Morrison skiing some ridiculous line that if your skis pop off you roll off a 200' cliff and die on rocks. Those guys right dins high as fuck, but absolutely none of us ever should until we're literally at that level.
Oct 24 2014 10:50AM
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iLLbiLLy
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Oct 24 2014 11:41AM
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maxknudson
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on my skis the springs in the bindings are shot, so the can't release when i crash. its pretty sketchy
Oct 24 2014 11:54AM
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yorick
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Mr.BishopHonestly man, something not a lot of people realize is that your bindings really need to be set correctly. ITs not just about din, Forwards pressure is SUPER important. Every binding has to be carefully adjusted for this. Its really easy if you know what you're doing, but if its wrong then even if your bindings are set to the right DIN your skis will fall off.

As others have said, you WANT those bindings to come off when your leg is twisting. Skis act like gigantic levers applying massive amounts of rotational force to your legs. Its either lose the skis, or bones/ligaments/joints/whatever snaps.

The only time people should ever be really cranking your dins is when you're Seth Morrison skiing some ridiculous line that if your skis pop off you roll off a 200' cliff and die on rocks. Those guys right dins high as fuck, but absolutely none of us ever should until we're literally at that level.
This. Forward pressure is key. The majority of people who have issues with skis falling off too often have inadequate forward pressure. You can crank your dins all you want, but if your boot isn't pressed in it will come out easily. And vice versa. This is often the case with used/bargain skis and boots where people (parents) just see if it will click in. There is an awful lot of misconceptions about bindings out there.

I'd rather have my skis fall off than tear my knee bits.
Oct 24 2014 12:15PM
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DwreckRoy
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Tons of things are taken into account with your DIN as well, especially when you're learning to ski. Your height, weight, age, ability, and how aggressive you ski effects where you should have that DIN set. I'd rather err on the side of my skis popping off than have them glued to my feet.

Go to a shop.
Oct 24 2014 12:34PM
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jermhy
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snowboard bindings
Oct 24 2014 12:53PM
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Lus146
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Why do you want a binding that doesn't release? You can injure yourself if your skis stay on when you don't want them to...
Oct 24 2014 2:28PM
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telecolo_
Posts: 394 - Karma: 1,265
just ski tele, unless your leg falls off you're skis will never leave you..

ugh
Oct 24 2014 2:36PM
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Vitiligo
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why is this thread still here..wut
Oct 24 2014 2:55PM
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THEE_wizard
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L0ganI never really had a problem with my skis falling off, but I bet some people do.

No, No one has this problem. It looks like you never had a problem with this in the first place.
Oct 24 2014 5:23PM
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percs
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I am unfamiliar with forward pressure, can someone explain?
Oct 24 2014 8:02PM
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robotdna
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KeithyDI am unfamiliar with forward pressure, can someone explain?


It's usually the screw on the back of the rear binding. It sets the torque ratio required for the rear binding to flip up.
Oct 24 2014 8:05PM
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tomPietrowski
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KeithyDI am unfamiliar with forward pressure, can someone explain?


The heel piece of the binding needs adjusting so that there is adaquate force on the toe to hold the boot in. Too little or too much and you will constantly lose the skis even with the din correct. Most bindings have some form of visual indicator that is used to gauge forward pressure with the boot in the binding. It's really important to get right so if your unsure always have a shop cheack it.
Oct 24 2014 8:21PM
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SFB
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well l0gan, that idea is just the worst.
Oct 24 2014 9:42PM
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robotdna
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robotdnaIt's usually the screw on the back of the rear binding. It sets the torque ratio required for the rear binding to flip up.


*release, not flip up. Excuse me.
Oct 25 2014 12:14AM
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methscratchface
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dynafits with toe locked out.............stuck as fuck
Oct 25 2014 12:18PM
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slamdunk
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I'm not recommending this is any way, but it seems obvious to me that the solution is to mount the boot directly to the ski and do away with the bindings.
Oct 25 2014 3:05PM
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