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Griffon vs FKS

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CalvinStork
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This is probably searchbar shit but im lazy.

Im a 16 year old skier throwing casual flips and spins off little 25ft wisconsin jumps. What fks is equivilant to what a griffon would be? and wich one would be better? is the fks worth the weight?

6ft like 160lbs
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Oct 13 2014 9:46PM
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shin-bang
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for your weight, height, and ability, i would say fks. but there are also other good bindings on the market, as the fks can have brake issues, and have next to 0 adjustabiltity. BUT if your willing to take these risks get the fks, thats what i did and they seem super solid and have a LOT of elasticity. (note. i have not ridden them yet but i will soon.) other options = Salom STH, attack 16s
Oct 13 2014 9:49PM
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Johnson00
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I've ridden both bindings and preferred the griffon. it has a wider toe piece so it makes the ski quicker edge to edge and its a tad bit lighter
Oct 14 2014 8:30PM
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two_plankers_one_wanker
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Man how could you say the FKS have zero adjustability? I would argue that they are one of the most easily adjusted bindings out there. Not to mention they are far more durable (assuming you buying the 155s, 180, or 185) considering they are full metal construction. I've tried both, and i'd chose FKS every time. One last plug for FKS.. they hold their value like no other binding.
Oct 14 2014 10:05PM
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crimeenthusiast
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Fks. Id say youll get used to the extra weight but in reality it isn't going to make a huge difference anyway.
Oct 14 2014 10:43PM
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CalvinStork
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two_plankers_one_wankerMan how could you say the FKS have zero adjustability? I would argue that they are one of the most easily adjusted bindings out there. Not to mention they are far more durable (assuming you buying the 155s, 180, or 185) considering they are full metal construction. I've tried both, and i'd chose FKS every time. One last plug for FKS.. they hold their value like no other binding.




what about durrability of 140s?
Oct 15 2014 5:32PM
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CalvinStork
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chris.weinandFks. Id say youll get used to the extra weight but in reality it isn't going to make a huge difference anyway.


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Oct 15 2014 5:33PM
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shin-bang
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two_plankers_one_wankerMan how could you say the FKS have zero adjustability? I would argue that they are one of the most easily adjusted bindings out there. Not to mention they are far more durable (assuming you buying the 155s, 180, or 185) considering they are full metal construction. I've tried both, and i'd chose FKS every time. One last plug for FKS.. they hold their value like no other binding.

are you kidding me? the markers have a WAY bigger adjustable range for different boot sizes. FOR EXAMPLE- the fks have an adjustability range of 20mm.... which is not much. SO if your riding say a boot with bsl of 315, and you switch to a boot that has a bsl of around 335 It wont fit and youll have to get a remount!! COMPARED to marker griffons.... which have an adjustment range of 240 - 370mm... you tell me which ones more adjustable..
Oct 15 2014 10:03PM
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shin-bang
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AND, if hes 16 and 160 lbs, he would not need an 18 din binding.....
Oct 15 2014 10:06PM
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Caucasian_Asian
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a_shaky_gifAND, if hes 16 and 160 lbs, he would not need an 18 din binding.....


FKS come in 12/14/15, not just 18.
Oct 15 2014 11:55PM
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shin-bang
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Caucasian_AsianFKS come in 12/14/15, not just 18.


yep, im just not quite sure why the other guy mentioned the 180 and the 185. the 12/14/15 would seem better suited for op
Oct 16 2014 12:20AM
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Negromancer
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I wouldn't go for either of those bindings.

For cheaper than the Griffon's and FKS 140's you can pick up Salomon STH2 13 bindings or Atomic STH2 13 (they're the exact same binding just choose between Salomon and Atomic on if any of the have specials and availability and if they're the same price then pick which colour you like most).

Griffon's have a lot of plastic bits on them and at your size they may be prone to breaking especially seeing as Marker doesn't exactly have the best track record in terms of durability.

FKS also have durability issues (shock and horror!). The brakes on them are horrible, I haven't seen one pair of FKS brakes that aren't bent completely, even though bending doesn't really matter that much the brakes themselves are quite fragile. Also bent brakes + landing switch = broken brakes quite a lot of the time. And when you break a brake on an FKS or Pivot it's very expensive to replace. Finding brakes for FKS is very hard in the first place and replacing them can be time consuming.
Oct 16 2014 12:42AM
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Dr.Dickless
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Johnson00I've ridden both bindings and preferred the griffon. it has a wider toe piece so it makes the ski quicker edge to edge and its a tad bit lighter


They actually aren't any wider. While the griffon looks a lot wider the mounting holes for the toe piece are actually pretty similar
Oct 16 2014 1:35AM
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CalvinStork
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a_shaky_gifyep, im just not quite sure why the other guy mentioned the 180 and the 185. the 12/14/15 would seem better suited for op



thats why i say fks 140. there din goes to 14
Oct 16 2014 3:05PM
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.FRY.
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What are you planning on mounting them on? If you're planning on mounting a volkl ski I would go with the griffons. Anything else I would go with the fks. Griffons aren't bad though. I had griffons last season and they were fine. I didn't experience any problems.
Oct 16 2014 3:45PM
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Negromancer
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.FryWhat are you planning on mounting them on? If you're planning on mounting a volkl ski I would go with the griffons. Anything else I would go with the fks. Griffons aren't bad though. I had griffons last season and they were fine. I didn't experience any problems.


The brand of the ski you mount them on doesn't matter at all. It's not like if you mount Markers on Volkls you suddenly get some sort of magical performance boost because the brands are owned by the same company.
Oct 16 2014 4:04PM
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.FRY.
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NegromancerThe brand of the ski you mount them on doesn't matter at all. It's not like if you mount Markers on Volkls you suddenly get some sort of magical performance boost because the brands are owned by the same company.


obviously. I was just suggesting it because fks and volkl don't really look right together.
Oct 16 2014 4:10PM
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Muggydude
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For park IMO the STH2 13 or 16 takes the cake. Light weight, low stack height, super durable. Plus the brakes don't break as easy, and are quite easy/cheap to replace if you do. And they have the biggest boot adjustment size range out there.

Now for a pure freeride/big mountain binding I think the FKS still might be a little better, though the rear mounting pattern is awfully small, which is good but "can" lead to rip outs if your skis aren't the greatest quality or you huck it big.

BTW I own Jesters, STH2 16s, and Pivot 18s (Same as FKS 180). All are good bindings IMO.
Oct 16 2014 4:22PM
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shin-bang
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MuggydudeFor park IMO the STH2 13 or 16 takes the cake. Light weight, low stack height, super durable. Plus the brakes don't break as easy, and are quite easy/cheap to replace if you do. And they have the biggest boot adjustment size range out there.

Now for a pure freeride/big mountain binding I think the FKS still might be a little better, though the rear mounting pattern is awfully small, which is good but "can" lead to rip outs if your skis aren't the greatest quality or you huck it big.

BTW I own Jesters, STH2 16s, and Pivot 18s (Same as FKS 180). All are good bindings IMO.


OP this is the best response yet. listen to him ^
Oct 16 2014 8:12PM
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kylemclean
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OP also take a look at the rossi axials they are pretty solid and have more adjustability than the FKS. Other than that the sth2s or attacks would be pretty good.
Oct 16 2014 8:22PM
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GrumpisPringle
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I wouldn't ride any other binding besides fks/pivot 14... Yes the brake will bend but who gives a shit. they have alot of elasticity which is good for any kind of freeriding. Most bindings these days are as safe as the next one but fks does the job for me.
Oct 16 2014 10:35PM
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Gerome.
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STH2 13
Oct 16 2014 11:22PM
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Swervy
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both bindings are hit and miss. if you are like a lot of skiers, you are looking for the most bang for your buck. FKS definitely will help you to prevent from hurting you legs and knees, but it seems like that comes with a price (Durability). But, the FKS is far more light then the griffon. With the griffon, you do have more bulk and weight, but the binding should last you much longer. both range in price from 250-300$ (depending on what year and where you buy from). in my opinion, griffon is the way to go.
Oct 16 2014 11:30PM
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HuckNorris44
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The best thing i like about the FKS is how the heel piece sits. It is directly under your heel opposed to griffons, which have a much longer plate. I feel this helps with the swing weight of the bindings and allows the ski to flex a bit more naturally
Oct 17 2014 5:31AM
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JibbaTheHutt
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NegromancerThe brand of the ski you mount them on doesn't matter at all. It's not like if you mount Markers on Volkls you suddenly get some sort of magical performance boost because the brands are owned by the same company.


might just be talk, but a k2 rep told me that all k2, volkl and line skis are designed with marker bindings in mind, different binding will change how certain skis ride, so it kinda makes sense..
Oct 17 2014 10:32AM
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uyghur
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Tyrolia attack is a quality binding
Oct 17 2014 2:45PM
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Muggydude
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C_Servboth bindings are hit and miss. if you are like a lot of skiers, you are looking for the most bang for your buck. FKS definitely will help you to prevent from hurting you legs and knees, but it seems like that comes with a price (Durability). But, the FKS is far more light then the griffon. With the griffon, you do have more bulk and weight, but the binding should last you much longer. both range in price from 250-300$ (depending on what year and where you buy from). in my opinion, griffon is the way to go.


You have no idea what you're talking about.

FKS are not really any safer for your legs and knees. They may be considered safer because they will prevent inadvertent releases (that you do not want on a steep face in dangerous terrain) on various hits because their elasticity will absorb the jarring without ejecting the boot. This has been debated on here a lot though, I'm not going to go into it.

FKS is a way more burly binding than the Marker griffon-(almost all plastic). The problem with FKS is the brakes themselves have a flaw/issue with bending or breaking when you eject switch. The binding itself is probably the most bombproof out there. They are also heavier than other alpine bindings at 1100 grams for the FKS 140, and 1250g for the FKS 180- the griffon is one of the lighter ones on the market at ~1000 grams.

Basically, everything you said is wrong. So please keep your mouth shut unless you actually know what you are saying.
Oct 18 2014 7:46PM
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