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Canadian caesar vs american bloody mary.

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liftedresearcher
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In my biased, Canadian opinion, bloody mary's are a sorry excuse for a drink. it makes me sick that people in America have to suffer through such a shitty drink when all they really are missing out on is one or two ingredients. how someone could enjoy a bloody mary is beyond me. a sunday caesar with brunch is a hangover cure that nothing can rival. you can put pepperoni, smoked salmon, beef jerky, in a caesar. really whatever the fuck floats your boat that you will soon be drunkly piloting, can go into a caesar. it is truly an ever-changing wonder of the world.

now, I've been to the states a number of times, but the first time i was in Vegas, i ordered a bloody mary to see if it compares to a good old Canadian caesar. I was offended when i took my first sip. it was terrible, i could barely finish it, but i paid upwards of 12 dollars for it, so i stomached it. so bland, lacking the complexity that a caesar brings to my taste buds. but maybe it was just a one off shitty drink, so i tried one at the next bar, it was again, shit. tasted like watered down ketchup with some vodka.

and if you're a younger Canadian, just getting into drinking, and you don't like caesars, don't worry, we have all been there. there will be a glorious day when your mind is opened to the grandeur of the caesar.

why hasn't the caesar caught on in the states? is it because of the clamato juice? if we renamed clamato to something like glory juice or something regarding eagles, freedom and automatic weapons, would americans be more keen to try Canada's most famous cocktail?

check this munchies article:
[URL]http://munchies.vice.com/articles/why-canadas-caesars-are-better-than-american-bloody-marys?utm_source=munchiesfbu[/URL]s

I beg you american bloody mary fans to please go make yourself a proper caesar at home, or next time you are up in our wonderful land, order one. i hope it will enlighten you and bring joy and happiness to your friends and family.

Oct 8 2014 5:55PM
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swaggerboi
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im gonna blindly support America on this one
Oct 8 2014 5:58PM
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hendriab
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this is retarded many bloodies include clamato, and by the sounds of it, I doubt the dash of clam water makes it that much superior, because bloodies have every other fucking ingredient listed. Garnish is the same thing - many bloodies include insane garnishes. Google Wisconsin Bloody Mary, Sobelmans just down the road from me garnishes one with a entire fried chicken.
Oct 8 2014 6:00PM
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howlongcanausern
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clamato is fucking vile for one.


and for two also i've seen some pretty outlandish garnishes like bacon and a whole grilled cheese on a bloody mary... itwas fantastic. but really canada? clamato?
Oct 8 2014 6:03PM
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Toaster-Tony
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You do know that there are tons of ways to make a bloody or caesar or whatever you're mad about.

Theyre pretty much the same drink, I make my bloodies almost exactly as you posted.
Oct 8 2014 6:06PM
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Sno.
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You ordered from the wrong place. I put almost all from your pick in my bloodied. They can include any of the following:

salt, pepper, green and red tabasco sauce, sriracha, lime, Worcestershire, bacon, tomato juice, vodka, celery, rim shot made of spices and celery salt, shrimp, tomatoes, green beans, olives, banana peppers, and more.

I think the only difference is the clamato. Although, some here drink that too. All bars have clamato. People order red beers, too.
Oct 8 2014 6:08PM
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J.D.
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Obviously the Caesar is better because it's like an institution up here and as a result people actually care about making it good. Down in the USA, a bloody mary is just a drink. Nothing particularly special about it, some people might order one once in a while but it's hardly a go-to.

Here, it's on every menu. It's a drink special for at least one night of the week. People work on figuring out interesting garnishes, the right combination of spices for the caesar rim, what additional ingredients to add to give it a bit of different flavour (incidentally, horseradish is pretty good, but beer is bad). With all that effort and time spent on the drink it had better be good.
Oct 8 2014 6:08PM
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Sno.
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Pic, bloodies*

sorry. Mobile.
Oct 8 2014 6:10PM
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J.D.
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momsspaghettiand for two also i've seen some pretty outlandish garnishes like bacon and a whole grilled cheese on a bloody mary... itwas fantastic. but really canada? clamato?

I see your grilled cheese and raise you...



Checkmate.
Oct 8 2014 6:11PM
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liftedresearcher
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DiabeetoYou do know that there are tons of ways to make a bloody or caesar or whatever you're mad about.

Theyre pretty much the same drink, I make my bloodies almost exactly as you posted.



trust me, I know there are tons of ways to make them. I've probably had 30 or 40 different takes on caesars.

and you would have to be a fool to believe that caesars and bloody marys are pretty much the same. the clamato adds so much to the drink. if any of you guys are in whistler i would be happy to bring a caesar skeptic out for some of whistler's finest caesars. it would be a life changing day for your tastebuds and your liver.
Oct 8 2014 6:11PM
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arnie_grape
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I fully agree with op.
though I just recently found out that clamato is clam and anchovie tomato juice and that is kinda fucked up. but its still great.
Oct 8 2014 6:17PM
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Sno.
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J.D.Obviously the Caesar is better because it's like an institution up here and as a result people actually care about making it good. Down in the USA, a bloody mary is just a drink. Nothing particularly special about it, some people might order one once in a while but it's hardly a go-to.

Here, it's on every menu. It's a drink special for at least one night of the week. People work on figuring out interesting garnishes, the right combination of spices for the caesar rim, what additional ingredients to add to give it a bit of different flavour (incidentally, horseradish is pretty good, but beer is bad). With all that effort and time spent on the drink it had better be good.


They're the same thing based on what you guys are saying. They're on every menu here, too. Maybe they have more tradition in Canada? (I don't know), but Bloody Marys aren't just drinks here either. There's people who take pride in making good ones, and there's the time and place for them. Sure, you can order one at any bar, and at Dennys you're probably going to be disappointed, but we have places that are known for their Marys, too. It is the go-to on Sat/Sun mornings--especially early morning tailgates, and is the known drink for hangovers.

If people didn't make good bloody marys down here or care about making good ones, there wouldn't be articles like this

http://www.thrillist.com/drink/seattle/cure-a-hangover-in-seattle-drink-the-best-bloody-marys-on-national-hangover-day
Oct 8 2014 6:19PM
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liftedresearcher
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snobunnyThey're the same thing based on what you guys are saying. They're on every menu here, too. Maybe they have more tradition in Canada? (I don't know), but Bloody Marys aren't just drinks here either. There's people who take pride in making good ones, and there's the time and place for them. Sure, you can order one at any bar, and at Dennys you're probably going to be disappointed, but we have places that are known for their Marys, too. It is the go-to on Sat/Sun mornings--especially early morning tailgates, and is the known drink for hangovers.

If people didn't make good bloody marys down here or care about making good ones, there wouldn't be articles like this

http://www.thrillist.com/drink/seattle/cure-a-hangover-in-seattle-drink-the-best-bloody-marys-on-national-hangover-day


they aren't the same thing! why can't you guys get your head around the fact that a caesar and a bloody mary are different. caesar is made with clamato and bloody mary's are made with tomato. the difference is that the main ingredient is a totally different juice.
Oct 8 2014 6:23PM
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Sno.
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liftedresearcherthey aren't the same thing! why can't you guys get your head around the fact that a caesar and a bloody mary are different. caesar is made with clamato and bloody mary's are made with tomato. the difference is that the main ingredient is a totally different juice.


Yes, I already said that.

Although some people order their bloody marys with clamato, we just don't order a "Canadian caesar" when we do.

What I meant by the "same" is that you guys are saying that they're

-special
-for hangovers
-have their time and place
-have a cult following
-places are known for them
-places/people go out of their way to try and perfect them and add different ingredients
-some places are known for them
-they're the go-to breakfast drink

I was talking about a lot of things when I said "they're the same thing here"
Oct 8 2014 6:26PM
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Sno.
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^also, its not a totally different juice. its still a tomato base. and again-- lots of bloody marys down here are made with clamato.
Oct 8 2014 6:28PM
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liftedresearcher
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snobunnyYes, I already said that.

Although some people order their bloody marys with clamato, we just don't order a "Canadian caesar" when we do.

What I meant by the "same" is that you guys are saying that they're

-special
-for hangovers
-have their time and place
-have a cult following
-places are known for them
-places/people go out of their way to try and perfect them and add different ingredients
-some places are known for them
-they're the go-to breakfast drink

I was talking about a lot of things when I said "they're the same thing here"


snobunny^also, its not a totally different juice. its still a tomato base. and again-- lots of bloody marys down here are made with clamato.


ok ok. we're on the same page. so some americans may already be subliminally enjoying caesars. we may have to send a certified caesar tester down there to confirm if they are up to snuff.
Oct 8 2014 6:33PM
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J.D.
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They're the national beverage. Like, after beer and wine, this is probably the third most popular drink order. If I go downstairs right now and walk into the bar in this building, or the one across the street (which has 3 varieties of caesar on its menu) I'll see about half a dozen of them. On a Wednesday afternoon.

I don't think you're quite understanding the scale we're talking about here.
Oct 8 2014 6:35PM
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Dustin.
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The last bloody mary I had was a bacon and pepper bloody that was garnished with a lamb slider.

Your problem is you don't know what the fuck you're talking about because you've had 2 shitty bloodies in the gigantic and incredibly diverse USA. What you are describing as a Canadian Caesar is almost exactly the same thing as an average US bloody at a decent bar.
Oct 8 2014 6:38PM
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Lé.Skiing
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I don't know much of a difference between the two.


I will say how I like my version of a caesar though. I like it with beer instead of vodka. Ditch the Worcestershire sauce and calm juice. Instead of celery I like spicy beans. For the hot sauce I like using a bunch of tobasco(way more than 2 dashes).
Oct 8 2014 6:39PM
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liftedresearcher
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Dustin.The last bloody mary I had was a bacon and pepper bloody that was garnished with a lamb slider.

Your problem is you don't know what the fuck you're talking about because you've had 2 shitty bloodies in the gigantic and incredibly diverse USA. What you are describing as a Canadian Caesar is almost exactly the same thing as an average US bloody at a decent bar.


ive had more than 2 bloody marys, probably had around 10, all at different bars, you would think i would run into a decent one by then. I've had them in vegas, san diego, some town in oregon and seattle. im sorry but they just dont compare. i know what the fuck im talking about. if you think they are the same thing you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Oct 8 2014 6:48PM
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Sno.
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J.D.They're the national beverage. Like, after beer and wine, this is probably the third most popular drink order. If I go downstairs right now and walk into the bar in this building, or the one across the street (which has 3 varieties of caesar on its menu) I'll see about half a dozen of them. On a Wednesday afternoon.

I don't think you're quite understanding the scale we're talking about here.


Here's my most objective take:

I did a quick wiki on the history. The Caesar was invented in Calgary. Which at its core is clamato, celery, worcestershire, lime, hot sauce, and vodka with celery salt rim. It was invented in 1969. The bloody mary, invented one way or another in the U.S.--there are conflicting stories-- about 40 years prior, includes a wide range of ingredients and is referred to as the world's most complicated drink.

It sounds to me like the U.S. has copied Canada when they include clamato instead of tomato juice. And Canada has copied the U.S. when including anything outside of the classic Caesar ingredient list.

It sounds to me like Canada was the first place to use clamato in a bloody mary. But bloody marys existed far prior to caesars.
Oct 8 2014 6:53PM
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Sno.
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liftedresearcherive had more than 2 bloody marys, probably had around 10, all at different bars, you would think i would run into a decent one by then. I've had them in vegas, san diego, some town in oregon and seattle. im sorry but they just dont compare. i know what the fuck im talking about. if you think they are the same thing you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.


maybe you just have far more places that make good ones?

Sounds like you guys can run into a good one with gourmet ingredients in just about any bar? Here- you're either a local and know who makes good ones, or you ask a local "who makes the best bloody marys" and you gotta go to one of those places. Your average dive bar isn't going to have gourmet ingredients here.

I could be wrong, but I find it hard to believe I'm going to walk into a dive bar in Canada (a random one, not one known for their caesars-- we're not talking hipster dive), order a Caesar, and get anything other than: vodka, clamato, Worcestershire, hot sauce, celery, and lime. Am I wrong?
Oct 8 2014 6:56PM
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japanada
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As mentioned above, Wisconsin goes hard as hell with their bloodies.




Its because of never ending, perpetual hangovers and because, AMERICA!
Oct 8 2014 6:58PM
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japanada
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J.D.I see your grilled cheese and raise you...



Checkmate.


That looks delish as all hell!
Oct 8 2014 6:59PM
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fillup
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Haha OP, you think America has a universal bloody and everyone makes it the same. What you pictured is pretty much a bloody mary, clamato however seems like a shit replacement for hot and spicy mix.

And you can put anything you want in a drink, and we do that here too.
Oct 8 2014 6:59PM
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liftedresearcher
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snobunnymaybe you just have far more places that make good ones?

Sounds like you guys can run into a good one with gourmet ingredients in just about any bar? Here- you're either a local and know who makes good ones, or you ask a local "who makes the best bloody marys" and you gotta go to one of those places. Your average dive bar isn't going to have gourmet ingredients here.

I could be wrong, but I find it hard to believe I'm going to walk into a dive bar in Canada (a random one, not one known for their caesars-- we're not talking hipster dive), order a Caesar, and get anything other than: vodka, clamato, Worcestershire, hot sauce, celery, and lime. Am I wrong?


i think this is the difference. and i almost guarantee if you walk into a random dive bar up here that you will have a decent caesar 4 outta 5 times. almost every bar has a different take on them. maybe they use a different rimmer or garnishes or something, but usually they will be a bit different than the "normal" ingredients. most bars will have 4 or 5 different types of them. like JD said, they are probably the most popular cocktail here.

also i dont think ive ever seen a bloody mary on a menu up here. maybe ive just never seen them because i'm never looking, but it would be pretty hard to find a place with bloody mary on the menu.
Oct 8 2014 7:03PM
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.undetected
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swaggerboiim gonna blindly support America on this one


USA
Oct 8 2014 7:06PM
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Sno.
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liftedresearcheri think this is the difference. and i almost guarantee if you walk into a random dive bar up here that you will have a decent caesar 4 outta 5 times. almost every bar has a different take on them. maybe they use a different rimmer or garnishes or something, but usually they will be a bit different than the "normal" ingredients. most bars will have 4 or 5 different types of them. like JD said, they are probably the most popular cocktail here.

also i dont think ive ever seen a bloody mary on a menu up here. maybe ive just never seen them because i'm never looking, but it would be pretty hard to find a place with bloody mary on the menu.


That's because you took a bloody mary, added clamato, and named it Canadian. That's why you wont see "bloody mary" on the menu. I'm betting if someone wanted a bloody up there, they'd say "can I have a Caesar, but with tomato juice rather than clamato" the same as someone here wanting a canadian caesar would say "can I get a bloody mary with clamato."
Oct 8 2014 7:06PM
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liftedresearcher
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fillupHaha OP, you think America has a universal bloody and everyone makes it the same. What you pictured is pretty much a bloody mary, clamato however seems like a shit replacement for hot and spicy mix.

And you can put anything you want in a drink, and we do that here too.


ill have to make a trip down to the states and make a point to find a couple of bars that are known for their bloody marys then. i guess the average bar cant make a good one. cause ive been to 10 or 12 and ordered them and none of them were very good. im interested to see how they compare.
Oct 8 2014 7:28PM
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J.D.
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No you can order a bloody mary, people will just look at you weird.
Oct 8 2014 7:40PM
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howlongcanausern
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J.D.I see your grilled cheese and raise you...



Checkmate.


holy shit next time im in van for sure stopping for this
Oct 8 2014 8:01PM
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Mr.Bishop
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japanadaAs mentioned above, Wisconsin goes hard as hell with their bloodies.




Its because of never ending, perpetual hangovers and because, AMERICA!


This is what happens when you piss america off.
Oct 8 2014 9:28PM
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soulskier
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Without having ever tried one, I will blindly vote for the Canadian

Salsa and vodka just isn't for me, unless you put a bunch of other stuff I like in it
Oct 8 2014 11:19PM
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Phil-X-
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liftedresearcheryou can put pepperoni, smoked salmon, beef jerky, in a caesar. really whatever the fuck floats your boat




Oct 8 2014 11:26PM
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250r
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japanadaAs mentioned above, Wisconsin goes hard as hell with their bloodies.




Its because of never ending, perpetual hangovers and because, AMERICA!


haha that is the most american looking processed shit I've ever seen. at least the canadian one uses real food even if its greasy as fuck.
Oct 9 2014 12:13AM
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.Hugo.
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Ive had both and they both taste the same.

But murica

Oct 9 2014 8:52AM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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'murica

















Oct 9 2014 9:28AM
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neutralzombie
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^ but now I wonder because we have those Caesars here, who coined it first, america or Canada? Also, i just can't help thinking "this is why America is fat" when I see those over the top things.
Oct 9 2014 9:36AM
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ANDR01D
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250rhaha that is the most american looking processed shit I've ever seen. at least the canadian one uses real food even if its greasy as fuck.


Lol, you've never had Wisconsin cheese and sausage have you? I actually feel bad that your tastebuds have never experienced something so delectable.
Oct 9 2014 9:40AM
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yelsel
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fillupHaha OP, you think America has a universal bloody and everyone makes it the same. What you pictured is pretty much a bloody mary, clamato however seems like a shit replacement for hot and spicy mix.

And you can put anything you want in a drink, and we do that here too.


I'm a HUGE bloody mary fan and have had it both ways with the spicy mix and with clamato. Definitely give the clamato a try before you knock it because it's pretty good as well.
Oct 9 2014 9:42AM
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Phil-X-
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ANDR01DLol, you've never had Wisconsin cheese and sausage have you? I actually feel bad that your tastebuds have never experienced something so delectable.


Very overhyped meat and cheese imo. I generally get a really cheap product taste from it. All about that real good good
Oct 9 2014 12:18PM
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Phil-X-
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ANDR01DLol, you've never had Wisconsin cheese and sausage have you? I actually feel bad that your tastebuds have never experienced something so delectable.


Very overhyped meat and cheese imo. I generally get a really cheap product taste from it. All about that real good good
Oct 9 2014 12:18PM
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saskskier
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neutralzombie^ but now I wonder because we have those Caesars here, who coined it first, america or Canada? Also, i just can't help thinking "this is why America is fat" when I see those over the top things.


The caesar was invented in Calgary, Alberta.
Oct 9 2014 12:19PM
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ANDR01D
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Phil-X-Very overhyped meat and cheese imo. I generally get a really cheap product taste from it. All about that real good good


I respectfully disagree.
Oct 9 2014 12:22PM
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Sno.
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saskskierThe caesar was invented in Calgary, Alberta.


clamato was invented the same year in the US for the opening of a restaurant. 1969 was the year of peace, love, and experimental beverages.
Oct 9 2014 12:39PM
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T-Holt
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Barefootin_Fiend'murica




Is that a Bloody Mary garnished with a Bloody Mary?
Also, what the fuck is with all the crazy garnish shit. When I'm hungover I want some bacon, a pepper, pickle, and maybe 1 other thing. How the fuck am I supposed to drink my Bloody Mary when I have an all you can eat buffet on top of it?
Oct 9 2014 12:48PM
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yelsel
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ANDR01DLol, you've never had Wisconsin cheese and sausage have you? I actually feel bad that your tastebuds have never experienced something so delectable.


mmmm that shit is so good! had some in green bay at game and wow. their bloody marys were awesome and they give you beer with it. cant go wrong with that
Oct 9 2014 12:50PM
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.Hugo.
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yelselmmmm that shit is so good! had some in green bay at game and wow. their bloody marys were awesome and they give you beer with it. cant go wrong with that


Ive never seen a bloody mary from a bar without a little beer chaser....
Oct 9 2014 12:58PM
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yelsel
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.Hugo.Ive never seen a bloody mary from a bar without a little beer chaser....


WHAT?!

First off, I've never ever ever been a fan of chasers in any form with any drink. It's just how I roll but why would a bloody mary need one? I was blown away that they made my bloody mary and then put down a pint of an awesome IPA right in front of me to go with it. My logic was...well, shit, I'm getting drunk today now aren't I?
Oct 9 2014 1:01PM
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yellav
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how red snappers and bloody marias havent been brought up is beyond me
Oct 9 2014 1:11PM
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Black-Bandanna
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Spicy Bloody with two pieces of bacon stuck in it like straws is my morning cocktail go-to.
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