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Never Wet Base?

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partyandBS
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http://www.neverwet.com/index.php

Never used it but I hear it works on the top sheet to run snow right off but has anyone used it on their base? it seems to me like it would be a good wax alternative but I have no idea the durability so it may not even be cost effective. I reckon i oughta just give it a shot.
Oct 8 2014 4:42PM
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tomPietrowski
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Don't do that. There is much more to having skis be fast then just wax and the wax does more then just coat the surface of the base. The wax gets into the base when got waxed and helps keep the bases durable. If you just put that stuff on the surface the base would dry out over time and when it does that it will become more brittal and prone to damage.

Honestly the best way to keep your skis fast is base maintainence. This does not just mean waxing. Having a good base structure is the most important factor I believe. Add to this regular waxing and your skis will be both fast an durable.
Oct 8 2014 5:02PM
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-SnowSnoli-
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All I can say is Batalla are working on something with Innovex, Watch out for big things!!
Oct 8 2014 5:10PM
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eheath
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Doesn't never wet deteriorate quickly? Doesn't seems like it would last that long.

Just use wax, the bases are made to use with wax.
Oct 8 2014 5:14PM
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tomPietrowski
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-SnowSnoli-All I can say is Batalla are working on something with Innovex, Watch out for big things!!


It will be interesting but I would not expect too much. All the big race teams spen a great deal of money researching how to make the skis as fast a possible so although Batalla may have some ideas I doubt it's anything which has not already been tried and rejected by the big guys.
Oct 8 2014 5:19PM
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RubberSoul
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^ i vaguely remember someone on here one time talking about using skis in the park that had been race structed/waxed or something, and he said they were like, uncomfortably fast cause wasn't used to them being so fast taking off and landing, and other things such as misjudging how much speed he would gain in X feet. any idea what he was talking about?
Oct 8 2014 5:22PM
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Negromancer
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RubberSoul^ i vaguely remember someone on here one time talking about using skis in the park that had been race structed/waxed or something, and he said they were like, uncomfortably fast cause wasn't used to them being so fast taking off and landing, and other things such as misjudging how much speed he would gain in X feet. any idea what he was talking about?


Probably because he went from extremely slow rail abused, no structure, and no wax skis to properly tuned skis. I had a similar thing, got my AR7's a grind and gave them a good wax and the difference is incredible. Just takes a bit of time to get use to.

Take a fast tuned ski over a slow ski any day. Nobody likes knuckling every jump when the snow gets slushy later on in the day because their skis are too slow. It sucks.
Oct 8 2014 5:55PM
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RubberSoul
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NegromancerProbably because he went from extremely slow rail abused, no structure, and no wax skis to properly tuned skis. I had a similar thing, got my AR7's a grind and gave them a good wax and the difference is incredible. Just takes a bit of time to get use to.

Take a fast tuned ski over a slow ski any day. Nobody likes knuckling every jump when the snow gets slushy later on in the day because their skis are too slow. It sucks.


oh for sure, im with ya. i destroy my skis but good fast bases are a must. but the way this guy talked about it, it was something beyond a normal well maintained fast base... idk tho
Oct 8 2014 6:01PM
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tomPietrowski
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RubberSouloh for sure, im with ya. i destroy my skis but good fast bases are a must. but the way this guy talked about it, it was something beyond a normal well maintained fast base... idk tho


Honestl I was probably just some kid who had only ever used beat extruded base skis suddenly being shocked what a well maintained ski is like. I used to be the freestyle captain at my uni but because I worked I a shop I was the tech for the race team. After a proper base prep and maintainence even some of the racers were shocked how much more speed they had. Speed is always good though. Even for small things like casing a little comin off a rail early. It's nice to know you can regain speed fast without having to skate ect.
Oct 8 2014 7:00PM
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Peach.
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I guess if you want to dry out and ruin your base. Then yeah sure, go for it.
Oct 9 2014 12:13AM
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RubberSoul
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tomPietrowskiHonestl I was probably just some kid who had only ever used beat extruded base skis suddenly being shocked what a well maintained ski is like. I used to be the freestyle captain at my uni but because I worked I a shop I was the tech for the race team. After a proper base prep and maintainence even some of the racers were shocked how much more speed they had. Speed is always good though. Even for small things like casing a little comin off a rail early. It's nice to know you can regain speed fast without having to skate ect.


okay word, sounds like you guys are probably right. thanks.
Oct 9 2014 11:02AM
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SkierX
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A block of universal wax is less expensive than NeverWet. This alone renders this a bad idea. I won't even begin to look at the other issues that using NeverWet on your bases would present.
Oct 9 2014 11:19AM
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RubberSoul
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SkierXA block of universal wax is less expensive than NeverWet. This alone renders this a bad idea. I won't even begin to look at the other issues that using NeverWet on your bases would present.


well okay fine. what about butter? maybe that kind that you can spray onto stuff
Oct 9 2014 11:29AM
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davesmatf
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I really wanted to try the neverwet out too but first off it won't stick to a normal ski base being that it has wax unless u use wax remover and watnot. Secondly even on a good base this stuff isn't very durable so it would probably be really expensive to keep spraying probably after each run. I was thinking of spraying it on to wood skis with no base see how that works but where do I get wood skis.
Oct 9 2014 11:52AM
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pat_in_the_hat
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what if..... you heated up the wax and mixed some never wet into it?
Oct 9 2014 12:11PM
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davesmatf
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pat_in_the_hatwhat if..... you heated up the wax and mixed some never wet into it?


You really can't because its 2 rattle cans and the two are different one base coat another is topcoat. Never wet came out with another spray which isn't a rattle can and does not require 2 steps but I think it's for fabric and is probably even less durable. Anyways most good wax is somewhat hydrophobic. I'm guessing the higher the flouro the more hydrophobic it becomes I dont know it sure is Daamn more expensive. Does anybody know how flourine changes wax? Of what I've gather the more flouro wax has the better the slide but doesn't last as long but does that mean it's more hydrophobic? Or something else?
Oct 9 2014 12:42PM
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haggis_hunter
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Actually you want your base to be wet, the best waxes allow a layer of water to held by the base and thus create a near frictionless surface as water is frictionless. Have a look at hydrozorb waxes, I tired it in the alps last year it (yes it was on a very well prepared base) it vastly out preformed other waxes ive tired as it retains far more water on the base of the ski.
Oct 9 2014 2:51PM
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davesmatf
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Lordf*Actually you want your base to be wet, the best waxes allow a layer of water to held by the base and thus create a near frictionless surface as water is frictionless. Have a look at hydrozorb waxes, I tired it in the alps last year it (yes it was on a very well prepared base) it vastly out preformed other waxes ive tired as it retains far more water on the base of the ski.


Ok well what happens when your spring skiing and you hit patch of really wet snow and it just about ejects you. Is too much water bad or is that completely different. Im sure its a lot different but just wondering.
Oct 9 2014 3:54PM
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250r
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i never thought about faster bases helping with casing but that has to be true. my park skis have well maintained sintered bases with a lot surface area, haha I've cased like 80 footers before and been fine for the most part.

as said before i wouldn't put that stuff on my bases, but my dad gave me some permanon which sounds similar to this. it was meant for boats and other things, but it is essentially a really high end rain-x. still haven't gotten around to trying it, but i think it could be good for keeping snow off the top of your skis, and maybe even keeping your goggles free of snow and water.
Oct 9 2014 4:03PM
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haggis_hunter
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dctalk16Ok well what happens when your spring skiing and you hit patch of really wet snow and it just about ejects you. Is too much water bad or is that completely different. Im sure its a lot different but just wondering.


Never had that issue myself, it will be down to using the wrong wax for the conditions and not preparing your bases properly. I've had plenty of spring days in Europe where its been melting rather fast and never had an issue.

If you want to know what it feels like to hot spot a base try skiing on Dendix in the summer. I actually melted part of the base off the ski.
Oct 9 2014 5:48PM
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toastyteenagers
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Not a good idea.
A small layer of water on your skis make it go faster.
Oct 9 2014 6:16PM
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