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An Insider View on Terrorism

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stokedelic
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So I know that this is in no way a new idea, and I hope that my fellow ns'ers hold an open mind while reading this because although these thoughts have been creeping through my brain I've never truly had another person's perspective from the middle east to ground these notions.

little back story:
my university holds dinners once a week with an ethnic cuisine and a guest speaker, this weeks we had the Imam of my local Muslim church tell his life story, and afterwards one of my peers had asked "why exactly are your people killing Americans in the name of Islamic culture if you say it isn't much different from Christianity?" wow that pissed me off. regardless the way this very educated and extremely peaceful man gave us his take on terrorism really had an effect on me, and i figured passing it on is the best i can really do with it.

Imagine your town has a bombing, from some extremist group of Mexicans. Meanwhile, these Mexican fuckers are fighting a war against Croatia. Well Croatia decides that the threat of Mexicans in Mexico has been minimized, yet these attacks in America are serious business and they decide to take matters into their own hands. You hear about skirmishes and road side bombings in your state, and are getting really nervous that all this violence will eventually end up in your town, meanwhile the government isnt doing much at all except telling everyone that were fighting the good fight.who knows what a terrorist could do? maybe your mom is killed, maybe a teacher you had has their leg shot, etc, etc. Turns out that in the middle of the night the Croatians confirmed there are two terrorists living in your town, and they need to be dead for the greater good. For the sake of this story lets say you happened to be out of town that night, and return the next morning to find out your entire town has been leveled, no evacuation, no warnings, just a few teeny planes cruise over in the middle of the night and bam. your whole town is dead. your family. your neighbors. everything you know in your immediate surroundings. gone. next morning on national news you hear the Croatians killed those terrorists. Theyre gone! big fucking woop, wheres the story on how these hypocrites killed 3,000 people? but thats not important, because the bad guys are gone. next thing you know, crying inside of the remains of your old home, there are some friendly people helping the survivors, talking about how twisted it was the Croatians did this, and something needs to be done. But what? Who will listen? It doesn't matter, because revenge is the sweetest thing on the planet, especially when your told it's in the name of god (or more appropriately for America, in the name of Wiz Khalifa). You have nothing to lose, your family is gone, your house is gone, and your filled with sorrow and anger that literally for no reason your town was leveled. Now imagine all of that but in a country where they dont have technology or even cars, just the ones they love and the path to heaven.

Who's the real terrorist?
Oct 1 2014 8:45PM
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dispatchQ_main
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FriedRiceWho's the real terrorist?


I'm going to take a guess and say.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm you maybe?
Oct 1 2014 8:49PM
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ZachAndCheese
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FriedRiceor more appropriately for America, in the name of Wiz Khalifa


I am sorry but no one views Wiz Khalifa as God, if you do please leave America.
Oct 1 2014 8:51PM
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SpookyCat
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Really? If you want an insider view of extremist groups, go find Al Jazeera's documentary part of their Fault Lines series titled, "On the Front Lines with the Taliban".

I've never seen something so useless as some jackass gated community kid giving his random insight into the idea of Jihad or what fuels that ideal towards the western world... seemingly influenced by nothing other than major news networks that have been whitewashed by the government since after WW1... ya know, the war with Nazis who were capable of controlling the population through limited information and the over acceptance of an authoritarian government that believes in being the world police... and of course all major media networks portraying the government's version of events as truth.

Funny how history repeats itself. I don't blame these poor people who grew up knowing nothing but death and war... handed to them by the generous hand of capitalism. Well done, America. Keep on making enemies by involving ourselves in conflicts we have zero understanding of. As history has shown, that's always worked out fantastically.
Oct 1 2014 10:28PM
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Abu_Hajaar
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JenniferGarnerWW1... ya know, the war with Nazis


niceeee
Oct 1 2014 10:36PM
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AT-AT
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I have never heard it like this before......

Not to be a dick, but this is a common concept. People say that we (america) are at the heart of these terrorists groups as direct result of our foreign policy. Which to some extent is true. We have a shitty way of dealing with the rest of the world. If it is not we want we go out and fix it, no matter the lives lost, and yes this is horrible.

However, we do not set up missile sites in public markets and schools (Gaza) nor do we publicly behead individuals for the "greater good."

While we deserve to be hated, we are not the ones who pull trigger. We drop bombs, but we do not set up a legal system that kills those who don't agree.
Oct 1 2014 10:44PM
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SFB
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JenniferGarnerReally? If you want an insider view of extremist groups, go find Al Jazeera's documentary part of their Fault Lines series titled, "On the Front Lines with the Taliban".

I've never seen something so useless as some jackass gated community kid giving his random insight into the idea of Jihad or what fuels that ideal towards the western world... seemingly influenced by nothing other than major news networks that have been whitewashed by the government since after WW1... ya know, the war with Nazis who were capable of controlling the population through limited information and the over acceptance of an authoritarian government that believes in being the world police... and of course all major media networks portraying the government's version of events as truth.

Funny how history repeats itself. I don't blame these poor people who grew up knowing nothing but death and war... handed to them by the generous hand of capitalism. Well done, America. Keep on making enemies by involving ourselves in conflicts we have zero understanding of. As history has shown, that's always worked out fantastically.

every single one of your posts is dumb.
Oct 1 2014 11:10PM
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skier_boy26
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JenniferGarnerFunny how history repeats itself. I don't blame these poor people who grew up knowing nothing but death and war... handed to them by the generous hand of capitalism. Well done, America. Keep on making enemies by involving ourselves in conflicts we have zero understanding of. As history has shown, that's always worked out fantastically.


Oh for fuck's sake, Islamic terrorists generally spend considerable more time and effort to kill/terrorize fellow Muslims rather than Westerners. But I guess in your world view, all of that is a reaction to American intervention.
Oct 1 2014 11:14PM
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SpookyCat
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skier_boy26Oh for fuck's sake, Islamic terrorists generally spend considerable more time and effort to kill/terrorize fellow Muslims rather than Westerners. But I guess in your world view, all of that is a reaction to American intervention.


But I guess in your limited view of human history, you've never heard of the slaughters committed by crackers almost eliminating the OG American populations, the buffalos or the billions killed during the slave trade. Oh yes, Muslims are so "vicious"... yeah, its so hard to understand how they can be against a country that has literally invaded their country... countries for that matter while killing their friends/family and trying to enforce a belief (capitalism and equal rights) on them. Yes, they should just accept such a brutal and sudden change because you know, that's how the human condition functions. people love that shit. People love to be oppressed forcefully by people from other countries. It always works out to the oppressor's benefits because like history, you know?
Oct 2 2014 12:03AM
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saskskier
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JenniferGarnerWW1... ya know, the war with Nazis


I feel like you may need to work on your history a little more before trying to use it in an argument.
Oct 2 2014 12:08AM
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smooticus
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JenniferGarnerReally? If you want an insider view of extremist groups, go find Al Jazeera's documentary part of their Fault Lines series titled, "On the Front Lines with the Taliban".

I've never seen something so useless as some jackass gated community kid giving his random insight into the idea of Jihad or what fuels that ideal towards the western world... seemingly influenced by nothing other than major news networks that have been whitewashed by the government since after WW1... ya know, the war with Nazis who were capable of controlling the population through limited information and the over acceptance of an authoritarian government that believes in being the world police... and of course all major media networks portraying the government's version of events as truth.

Funny how history repeats itself. I don't blame these poor people who grew up knowing nothing but death and war... handed to them by the generous hand of capitalism. Well done, America. Keep on making enemies by involving ourselves in conflicts we have zero understanding of. As history has shown, that's always worked out fantastically.


JenniferGarnerBut I guess in your limited view of human history, you've never heard of the slaughters committed by crackers almost eliminating the OG American populations, the buffalos or the billions killed during the slave trade. Oh yes, Muslims are so "vicious"... yeah, its so hard to understand how they can be against a country that has literally invaded their country... countries for that matter while killing their friends/family and trying to enforce a belief (capitalism and equal rights) on them. Yes, they should just accept such a brutal and sudden change because you know, that's how the human condition functions. people love that shit. People love to be oppressed forcefully by people from other countries. It always works out to the oppressor's benefits because like history, you know?



There was no Nazi party during the first world war. I think you may have your histories all mixed up man.
Oct 2 2014 12:19AM
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Bogs
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JenniferGarnerWell done, America. Keep on making enemies by involving ourselves in conflicts we have zero understanding of. As history has shown, that's always worked out fantastically.


Not sure exactly what you're referring to, but, in general, the U.S. getting involved in wars that don't really concern them HAS, for the most part, worked out pretty well...

AT-ATI have never heard it like this before......

Not to be a dick, but this is a common concept. People say that we (america) are at the heart of these terrorists groups as direct result of our foreign policy. Which to some extent is true. We have a shitty way of dealing with the rest of the world. If it is not we want we go out and fix it, no matter the lives lost, and yes this is horrible.

However, we do not set up missile sites in public markets and schools (Gaza) nor do we publicly behead individuals for the "greater good."

While we deserve to be hated, we are not the ones who pull trigger. We drop bombs, but we do not set up a legal system that kills those who don't agree.


Problem is, the rest of the world also looks to America to do something about stuff like this/expects us to. They get pissed after if they can feel better about themselves by doing so, but I doubt you'll find many people who are upset that America go involved in WW I and WW II even though there was no need for us to do so.

JenniferGarnerBut I guess in your limited view of human history, you've never heard of the slaughters committed by crackers almost eliminating the OG American populations, the buffalos or the billions killed during the slave trade. Oh yes, Muslims are so "vicious"... yeah, its so hard to understand how they can be against a country that has literally invaded their country... countries for that matter while killing their friends/family and trying to enforce a belief (capitalism and equal rights) on them. Yes, they should just accept such a brutal and sudden change because you know, that's how the human condition functions. people love that shit. People love to be oppressed forcefully by people from other countries. It always works out to the oppressor's benefits because like history, you know?


Billions killed in the slave trade? You're claiming other people don't understand history, then saying billions were killed in the slave trade? Really? And it's hard to tell if this is what you're trying to get at because your posts are very vague and generally pretty incoherent, but the muslim dislike of the Western world goes all the way back to the crusades, which happened way before America was a country.
Oct 2 2014 1:08AM
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HuckNorris44
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The real issue starts with the western world breaking up the middle east. England, France, America, Germany, etc; many of the imperial powers took over the middle east many many years ago and divided it up by how they thought it should be. (Same as what happened in Africa) These countries didnt take into account tribal wars, tribal territories, or the history of the area. The nail in the coffin was the U.N. granting Israel statehood. Muslims were pissed when outsiders took their holy land and gave it to the Israelis.
Oct 2 2014 2:08AM
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theabortionator
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I don't see this thread going to far. Already off to a pretty rocky start
Oct 2 2014 2:39AM
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Bombogenesis
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Even if a military came and leveled my town i wouldn't have the desire to go kill innocent people in an office building who had nothing to do with it.


these people are sick, there's no excuse
Oct 2 2014 7:34AM
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.MASSHOLE.
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JenniferGarnerReally? If you want an insider view of extremist groups, go find Al Jazeera's documentary part of their Fault Lines series titled, "On the Front Lines with the Taliban".

I've never seen something so useless as some jackass gated community kid giving his random insight into the idea of Jihad or what fuels that ideal towards the western world... seemingly influenced by nothing other than major news networks that have been whitewashed by the government since after WW1... ya know, the war with Nazis who were capable of controlling the population through limited information and the over acceptance of an authoritarian government that believes in being the world police... and of course all major media networks portraying the government's version of events as truth.

Funny how history repeats itself. I don't blame these poor people who grew up knowing nothing but death and war... handed to them by the generous hand of capitalism. Well done, America. Keep on making enemies by involving ourselves in conflicts we have zero understanding of. As history has shown, that's always worked out fantastically.


You are wrong about the news being whitewashed since after WWI, hell even WWII. It was after Reagan I believe when the idea of a public service requirement from the news corporations was relaxed, resulting in the media we see today. People thought Orwell were going to be right, it looks more like Huxley's vision of future is more accurate with the whole idea of the NSA/CIA spying on civilians, governmental drones, etc.
And you are also wrong with your assumption of every single terrorist being an oppressed Muslim from a third world country. New CIA estimates believe that roughly 10-15,000 of the ISIS members come from Western countries such as England, Australia, Canada, USA, Belgium, Germany, etc. Terrorists actually can come from surprisingly wealthy families with little religious fundamentalist history. However, the Western people who do end up becoming terrorists all seem to share a common thread of FEELING disenfranchised with their current life and society.

You are also wrong in assuming that every terrorist joins the group to get back at the West. Yes, that may be a common theme among terrorist groups, but many are also attempting to cleanse the Muslim religion of people they view as takfirs (apostates) or other nonbelievers. Look at ISIS, a Sunni movement attempting to cleanse out ANY source of Shi'ia religion, be it people, mosques, religious sites, or literature. You could also look at Boko Haram who are attempting to do the same in Nigeria. Sure, Al Qaeda has launched attacks against the US, but what about the attacks in Syria with Al Nusra, Iraq, Algeria, or any other Muslim-dominated country? Someone did mention the idea that the Muslims have hated the West since the Crusades, which is partly true. It depends on which group and how they view the history. It is impossible to describe every single terrorist groups motive as the same. Some have political motives (HAMAS, Hezbollah), others have global motives (Al Qaeda), while others have local motives currently (ISIS, Boko Haram).
Oct 2 2014 7:37AM
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FriedRiceMeanwhile, these Mexican fuckers are fighting a war against Croatia.


Even hypothetically, this is one of the most improbable things I've ever read.
Oct 2 2014 7:56AM
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I see what you mean OP and have thought about it before which is why we will never stop fighting there since every generation grows with deep hatred and anger.

That being said....many of these terrorist groups operate around schools, hospitals, public areas, etc and consciously decide to put civilians in harms way for their own protection. They teach hate from a young age for no reason. These kids are raised hating western culture because someone told them to hate us. And that is the problem...not to mention blind religious following and interpreting their religious texts as violent callings.

Plus the situation you described would NEVER happens since the good ol USA would just fuck up everyone who was a threat to us.
Oct 2 2014 9:14AM
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AT-AT
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omnidataEven hypothetically, this is one of the most improbable things I've ever read.


Middle Earth sounds more realistic.
Oct 2 2014 9:39AM
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How is that, in any way, an insider view on terrorism... I was expecting you to say you saw a talk from an ex-terrorist that decided to change his ways and work with the CIA or something.
Oct 2 2014 11:45AM
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.Hugo.
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FunkadelicHow is that, in any way, an insider view on terrorism... I was expecting you to say you saw a talk from an ex-terrorist that decided to change his ways and work with the CIA or something.


Because he heard a speech from a guy whose great great great grandparents were from somewhere near the middle east
Oct 2 2014 12:06PM
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SpookyCat
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KravtZThat being said....many of these terrorist groups operate around schools, hospitals, public areas, etc and consciously decide to put civilians in harms way for their own protection. They teach hate from a young age for no reason. These kids are raised hating western culture because someone told them to hate us. And that is the problem...not to mention blind religious following and interpreting their religious texts as violent callings.



Ah so ignorant/uneducated... Its sad to see how easily people are brainwashed by western media. What you described is a very small slice of the people the US labels as "terrorists".
Oct 3 2014 10:20AM
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JenniferGarnerAh so ignorant/uneducated... Its sad to see how easily people are brainwashed by western media. What you described is a very small slice of the people the US labels as "terrorists".


that dude went to college. Just because somebody doesn't agree with you does not make them ignorant/uneducated. How are you not banned yet???????????
Oct 3 2014 10:41AM
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stokedelic
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omnidataEven hypothetically, this is one of the most improbable things I've ever read.


hahaha i tried to choose two countries that literally had nothing to do with modern international war, guess i did a good job.

chiming back in, i think its fair to say that the majority of us use newschoolers as our primary current event source, which im extremely proud of because whether or not were extremely biased fucks, at least these things are being said.

in regards to the person who stated i wouldn't kill innocent people if my town got blown up, these extremists are sent across the ocean to carry out a very specific and intensely planned strike, its hard to believe that theyre just told "yeah this bomb you have is going to kill a bunch of innocent people". im sure a lot of deceit and empty promises are made to them by those who they believe are striving for the greater good of their country/people. it might be fucked up but at least these people have pride in their nation as opposed to the stereotypical young adult nowadays, whos completely content with making fun of our legal processes and political figures yet will never have the motivation or interest to make a stand for something we care about.

double edged sword, lose lose, just shit i think about when im in the shower
Oct 3 2014 2:07PM
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stokedelic
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KravtZI see what you mean OP and have thought about it before which is why we will never stop fighting there since every generation grows with deep hatred and anger.

That being said....many of these terrorist groups operate around schools, hospitals, public areas, etc and consciously decide to put civilians in harms way for their own protection. They teach hate from a young age for no reason. These kids are raised hating western culture because someone told them to hate us. And that is the problem...not to mention blind religious following and interpreting their religious texts as violent callings.

Plus the situation you described would NEVER happens since the good ol USA would just fuck up everyone who was a threat to us.


dude, you have to realize your the same way. i highly doubt that any of us see an angry looking muslim on the subway and dont do a double take. who are we fighting in the middle east? what do they look like?
Oct 3 2014 2:10PM
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louie.miragsthat dude went to college. Just because somebody doesn't agree with you does not make them ignorant/uneducated. How are you not banned yet???????????


When the whole basis of your argument turns into you yelling out you're ignorant/uneducated then you have no follow up, you pretty much lost your argument.
Oct 3 2014 2:16PM
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.brian
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The real terrorists are the Islamic extremists who see a difference in religion as making someone inhuman. I don't care what this terrorist sympathizer spews about growing up with deep hate, it takes a genuinely sick to commit the acts these guys do. I don't know if anyone caught the 60 minutes piece on it, but ISIS showed up in a town, told all the men they had 24 hours to convert. Showed up the next day, herded all women and children into a building. Drove the unarmed men 300 yards out of town, made them lay on the ground, and opened fire. Find me one example of the US military massacring an entire town of unarmed civilians, and maybe I could change my perspective. Not to be some US propagandist, but don't let anyone convince you we're the bad guys.
Oct 3 2014 2:27PM
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louie.mirags
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.brianThe real terrorists are the Islamic extremists who see a difference in religion as making someone inhuman. I don't care what this terrorist sympathizer spews about growing up with deep hate, it takes a genuinely sick to commit the acts these guys do. I don't know if anyone caught the 60 minutes piece on it, but ISIS showed up in a town, told all the men they had 24 hours to convert. Showed up the next day, herded all women and children into a building. Drove the unarmed men 300 yards out of town, made them lay on the ground, and opened fire. Find me one example of the US military massacring an entire town of unarmed civilians, and maybe I could change my perspective. Not to be some US propagandist, but don't let anyone convince you we're the bad guys.


I am not siding with the anti-US propaganda.. I am just going to throw out there close to a million people (unofficial and undeterminable) have been killed by the US in the middleeast in this ongoing conflict.. We have been in the middleeast my whole life (I am 25). If we took terrorism out the equation and defending our freedom(?) it would look like we are committing massive genocide.
Oct 3 2014 2:32PM
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.frenchy
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OP I read like 3 lines of your fucking essay, are you really sympathizing for terrorists? I lol'd

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So we prayed to Allah with all of our might
Until those big U.S. jets came flyin one night
They dropped little bombs all over their holy land
And man you should have seen em run like rabbits, they ran
Oct 3 2014 3:09PM
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.brian
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louie.miragsI am not siding with the anti-US propaganda.. I am just going to throw out there close to a million people (unofficial and undeterminable) have been killed by the US in the middleeast in this ongoing conflict.. We have been in the middleeast my whole life (I am 25). If we took terrorism out the equation and defending our freedom(?) it would look like we are committing massive genocide.


Besides the fact that number seems completely arbitrary and I don't know where you got it from, I'd bet the number of people killed in the middle east by other muslims is much higher than the number killed by the US. For example, ISIS has killed 5,500 civilians since rising to prominence in June.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/world/middleeast/un-reports-at-least-26000-civilian-casualties-in-iraq-conflict-this-year.html?_r=0

Here are some fun quotes from that story:
"In the Hardan area, witnesses said, 250 to 300 people were killed, including 10 who were beheaded, after the Islamic State had promised them safety in exchange for their weapons."

"In early August, militants “herded” 450 to 500 women into the town of Tal Afar and later sent about 150 of them to Syria, where the Islamic State has a stronghold, to be given as a reward to Islamic State fighters or to be sold as sex slaves, the report said."

Again, read that article and realize nothing justifies those crimes. Somebody needs to prevent guys like this from ruling millions of people, and if it has to be the US because nobody else will, then so be it.
Oct 3 2014 4:21PM
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louie.mirags
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.brianBesides the fact that number seems completely arbitrary and I don't know where you got it from, I'd bet the number of people killed in the middle east by other muslims is much higher than the number killed by the US. For example, ISIS has killed 5,500 civilians since rising to prominence in June.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/world/middleeast/un-reports-at-least-26000-civilian-casualties-in-iraq-conflict-this-year.html?_r=0

Here are some fun quotes from that story:
"In the Hardan area, witnesses said, 250 to 300 people were killed, including 10 who were beheaded, after the Islamic State had promised them safety in exchange for their weapons."

"In early August, militants “herded” 450 to 500 women into the town of Tal Afar and later sent about 150 of them to Syria, where the Islamic State has a stronghold, to be given as a reward to Islamic State fighters or to be sold as sex slaves, the report said."

Again, read that article and realize nothing justifies those crimes. Somebody needs to prevent guys like this from ruling millions of people, and if it has to be the US because nobody else will, then so be it.



I heard that figure on a podcast and attempted to find a legit source.. trying to find a real answer will drive you mad. Every source has a different estimated figure. Anywhere from 25k to 100k (most common figure) and articles estimating a million. That is what I meant in my last comment that noone really knows how many deaths there has been. When It comes to the recent ISIS claims I am not disagreeing with what the US is doing. If it is all factual then it needs to be dealt with. This ISIS threat seems legit, but we were also convinced at one time Iraq had WMD's and they were jealous of our freedom. Who knows man...

The fact that thousands of innocent civilians have been murdered in the crossfire is just horrible though! Our troops aren't always fighting for OUR freedom, that needs to be known.
Oct 3 2014 4:33PM
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.brianThe real terrorists are the Islamic extremists who see a difference in religion as making someone inhuman. I don't care what this terrorist sympathizer spews about growing up with deep hate, it takes a genuinely sick to commit the acts these guys do. I don't know if anyone caught the 60 minutes piece on it, but ISIS showed up in a town, told all the men they had 24 hours to convert. Showed up the next day, herded all women and children into a building. Drove the unarmed men 300 yards out of town, made them lay on the ground, and opened fire. Find me one example of the US military massacring an entire town of unarmed civilians, and maybe I could change my perspective. Not to be some US propagandist, but don't let anyone convince you we're the bad guys.


So, lining people up and killing them is inhuman, but dropping a bomb and killing a couple hundred k civilians is legit. At least I have that distinction. If they had larger bombs all would be well, but if they use guns it's fucked up. Or did I miss something?



"Find me one example of the US military massacring an entire town of unarmed civilians"

My Lai comes to mind.
Oct 3 2014 6:55PM
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.brian
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theabortionatorSo, lining people up and killing them is inhuman, but dropping a bomb and killing a couple hundred k civilians is legit. At least I have that distinction. If they had larger bombs all would be well, but if they use guns it's fucked up. Or did I miss something?



"Find me one example of the US military massacring an entire town of unarmed civilians"

My Lai comes to mind.



I should've clarified I was talking about in the War on Terror or whatever we're calling it. I mean at the risk of sounding like I'm defending killing civilians, when the US kills civilians they're targeting high level terrorists. When these guys do it, its in the name of some religion thats barely Islam. Put it this way, since the Obama started the drone program they've killed 2,400 people. I don't know how many civilians but i'd like to imagine its at least 85%? of those deaths were men associated with terrorists organizations. In three months, ISIS has killed 5,500 civilians. So again, they're the real terrorists.

Honestly, my biggest issue with the OP was the fact the guy was trying to justify the actions of ISIS. And in the time since I first posted they've already beheaded another civilian http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/03/us-mideast-crisis-henning-behading-idUSKCN0HS1XX20141003

Let me know next time the US military posts videos of them beheading a civilian.
Oct 3 2014 7:23PM
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theabortionator
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.brianI should've clarified I was talking about in the War on Terror or whatever we're calling it. I mean at the risk of sounding like I'm defending killing civilians, when the US kills civilians they're targeting high level terrorists. When these guys do it, its in the name of some religion thats barely Islam. Put it this way, since the Obama started the drone program they've killed 2,400 people. I don't know how many civilians but i'd like to imagine its at least 85%? of those deaths were men associated with terrorists organizations. In three months, ISIS has killed 5,500 civilians. So again, they're the real terrorists.

Honestly, my biggest issue with the OP was the fact the guy was trying to justify the actions of ISIS. And in the time since I first posted they've already beheaded another civilian http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/03/us-mideast-crisis-henning-behading-idUSKCN0HS1XX20141003

Let me know next time the US military posts videos of them beheading a civilian.


It would be pointless. When the US kills civilians they cover it up because it would cause a shit storm, on the other side it causes a shit storm but a bunch of hype in the media.

The hype wagon and hysteria do nothing but validate those efforts. Then again what would people do if they didn't have exciting news to watch.
Oct 3 2014 7:30PM
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.brian
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theabortionatorIt would be pointless. When the US kills civilians they cover it up because it would cause a shit storm, on the other side it causes a shit storm but a bunch of hype in the media.

The hype wagon and hysteria do nothing but validate those efforts. Then again what would people do if they didn't have exciting news to watch.


I honestly don't know what stance you're taking here, so just to clarify do you support the US bombing ISIS? If you don't, just imagine a whole country ran by these people, which is very possible given the lack of strength of the Iraqi army. Do we then just ignore whats going on there when they undoubtedly commit a multitude of human rights violations?
Oct 3 2014 7:42PM
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Bombogenesis
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louie.miragsI heard that figure on a podcast and attempted to find a legit source..


That number is probably too high by a factor of 10.. Not discounting you cause you heard what you heard but the person who said that sounds like they're just spewing bs
Oct 4 2014 11:58AM
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jfp
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JenniferGarnerAh so ignorant/uneducated... Its sad to see how easily people are brainwashed by western media. What you described is a very small slice of the people the US labels as "terrorists".


Well well well. I missed you jennypoo. I look forward to many "engagements "!
Oct 4 2014 3:00PM
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SpookyCat
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jfpWell well well. I missed you jennypoo. I look forward to many "engagements "!


Who the fuck are you?
Oct 4 2014 3:08PM
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.frenchy
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JenniferGarnerWho the fuck are you?


Says the member since 2012. respect yo elders
Oct 4 2014 5:06PM
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SpookyCat
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.frenchySays the member since 2012. respect yo elders


2006 makes him an "elder" like a turban makes you a terrorist.
Oct 4 2014 6:20PM
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Ski_ThEast
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JenniferGarnerAh so ignorant/uneducated... Its sad to see how easily people are brainwashed by western media. What you described is a very small slice of the people the US labels as "terrorists".


Says the person who said WW1 was with nazis and that BILLIONS of people died in the slave trade.
Oct 4 2014 6:47PM
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basedjase
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why did i even indulge into this thread, give me back that 15 minutes pls. lol at NS's middle eastern foreign affairs knowledge & understanding..
Oct 5 2014 1:31AM
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Astomp
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not impressed with your ability to theorize. "who is the terrorist?" is not really the question to ask NS though. You need to think more along the lines of "at what time is it acceptable to drink a beer or adult beverage?"
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