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Hey guys, there's something in skiing that needs to change...

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BWalmer
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As someone who loves skiing, I love every aspect of skiing. That includes park, powder, moguls, aerials, ect. You have to respect every single person that attaches a pair of slippery sticks to a pair of ridiculous boots and starts going down hill on snow, no matter how they choose to do that. However, there's one particular group of skiers that isn't getting the respect they deserve, and that's female skiers. I see a video get posted, it gets a ton of views, it's really popular, it features an awesome chick skiing and I think "awesome, a chick is finally getting some respect." But then I read the comments, and it's filled with two things: hate and requests for sexual favors. So what does this girl do, eventually she stops posting her content, she shys away from the internet skiing community, and resorts to only posting her videos on Vimeo with the comments turned off. Now if this only happened once, sure, maybe she just can't handle the hate, I mean tons of people get hate on this site (although they shouldn't either, but that's another topic for another day). But this happens CONSTANTLY. Since becoming a mod I'm constantly getting requests to have comments deleted that are sexually abusive and demeaning to women, I'm noticing it more and more. And that absolutely FUCKED up part...these are hot chicks who FUCKING SKI!!! Some of them even better than you. These are girls you could potentially hang out with on the slopes and have a good time with. But instead, we hate on them and call them a slut and ask them to show their tits. Not only do you make her feel bad, but you make yourself look like an ass AND you ruin it for everyone else.

TL;DR: Stop ruining skiing for girls. Grow the fuck up. Start treating girls with the respect they deserve and be stoked that they enjoy the same sport as you.

Also FYI: Any negative shit without backing it up with reason and/or sexism/chauvinistic shit will be promptly deleted and met with a ban (and not just in this thread). Seriously, grow up.

**This thread was edited on Sep 30th 2014 at 7:13:21am
Sep 29 2014 8:41PM
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SFBv420.0
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http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/search.php?searchid=6456408
Oct 1 2014 9:14AM
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lurking
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SFBv420.0
they aren't there nor are they in any of klars fine tr's or any other magggettes skiing threads.
Some of you would like it to be there to lend creedence to your denial of where this problem really lies.
Bishy luvs to harp about how harsh the tgrz is but it sure as hell don't happen in tr's.
i can't find this hate or sexism on the gapic ski nor did it exist on the t-tips.
where's this problem on vimeo, facebook, or other social media?
The other thing is so mindboggling is many of you think that tricks, skillz or spansership is what the hokey pokies about
it aint
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Oct 1 2014 9:42AM
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Jane6
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BWalmerI understand what you're saying, and the wording might be a bit off, but I view every girl who skis are "hot." I didn't necessarily mean it in the physical sense, but more in the "you should be attracted to girls who share your passion" sense. So to me, any girl on this site who is showing their love for skiing should be deemed "hot" no matter what they look like. I guess I should have made that more clear or worded it differently, but I guess since I was talking about female skiers as a whole, it was inferred that they're all hot.


Yeah, I think I understood that, I just think its worth pointing out, for the sake of argumentation. It reminded me of something that went down over here a few month ago: a singer called Molly Sandén wanted the media to "stop talking so much about women's bodies" and tell young girls its ok to not be a size 0 (the whole debate had to do with the fact that people were bullying her because she isnt skinny), but her way of doing this was through posing nude and show off her body... it just defeats the purpose completely to claim trying to stop the focus on something when youre in reality dragging focus to just that thing. The body/hotness shouldnt even be relevant.

Its flattering to hear that you're hot, that goes for everyone. But, like people already have mentioned, when Maud Raymond puts up an edit she most likely does not do it to hear that she has an amazing ass. Girls should get more recognition for what they actually do, not how they look doing it.


SFBv420.0they aren't there nor are they in any of klars fine tr's or any other magggettes skiing threads.
Some of you would like it to be there to lend creedence to your denial of where this problem really lies.
Bishy luvs to harp about how harsh the tgrz is but it sure as hell don't happen in tr's.
i can't find this hate or sexism on the gapic ski nor did it exist on the t-tips.
where's this problem on vimeo, facebook, or other social media?
The other thing is so mindboggling is many of you think that tricks, skillz or spansership is what the hokey pokies about
it aint
it's about so many other things



I'm so sorry, but I dont understand what you mean at all, care to elaborate?
Oct 1 2014 2:26PM
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bobandy
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You could start by not calling them "chicks" you you stupid stupid
Oct 2 2014 12:52AM
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annex_
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Funny. I made pretty much the same point in a thread back in January and the first comment in response was to call me a f***ing c**t etc.
Oct 2 2014 1:29AM
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S.J.W
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C.dubsFunny. I made pretty much the same point in a thread back in January and the first comment in response was to call me a f***ing c**t etc.


Yeah I called out two members on NSG saying not to be sexist cunts and got a fuck load of downvotes and their comments got heaps of upvotes. Dingosean made a thread about a passed out girl on her floor and a little more two it and the first two comments were asking if she was attractive. My karma score also dropped and SFB decided to call me a "butthurt social justice warrior" like caring about equality is something that is so bad. It made me pretty angry that the NS community can just laugh off sexism.
Oct 2 2014 3:55AM
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S.J.W
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The referenced post has been removed.


Comments like that are just not necessary thing to ask in a thread about a chick passed out with no memory.
Oct 2 2014 9:12AM
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270on420out
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ChubbyBoyYeah I called out two members on NSG saying not to be sexist cunts and got a fuck load of downvotes and their comments got heaps of upvotes. Dingosean made a thread about a passed out girl on her floor and a little more two it and the first two comments were asking if she was attractive. My karma score also dropped and SFB decided to call me a "butthurt social justice warrior" like caring about equality is something that is so bad. It made me pretty angry that the NS community can just laugh off sexism.


I'm not backing those comments in that thread, but you acted like a fucking asshat in their. Yes those comments were inappropriate but they were meant for people to take it with a grain of salt.
Oct 2 2014 9:18AM
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S.J.W
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OREOPRAHI'm not backing those comments in that thread, but you acted like a fucking asshat in their. Yes those comments were inappropriate but they were meant for people to take it with a grain of salt.


maybe I'm getting way too much on my feminist preach shit but I personally think you don't need to make those comments on a thread. It has nothing to do with the thread and it's just disrespectful to woman.
Oct 2 2014 9:40AM
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Mr.Bishop
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SFBv420.0Bishy luvs to harp about how harsh the tgrz is but it sure as hell don't happen in tr's.


http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/260619-Women-in-the-NFL?highlight=women

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/271746-Women-and-The-Holidaze?highlight=women

This is a great one "Taking girls skiing sucks"

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/22439-taking-girls-skiing-sucks

My favorite quote in this one is "How will her being 5 sec slower than everyone else "revamp the image of women's alpine skiing"?"

though that is follow up by the elloquent quip of:

"Read it again. The article says she will be 5 seconds slower than the fastest men. That means she will only be 4.5 seconds slower than the slowest men."

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/250870-Lindsey-Vonn-asks-permission-to-enter-men%E2%80%99s-downhill-race

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/186772-Teaching-your-girlfriend-to-ski

sure the guy is a n00b or whatever, but he's just trying to make a post... things go badly and this gets posted:

"I'm amazed at the infants that infest this forum. The "Jongs", "Dexters" and "Powlizards" and the rest of the uber-negative little bed pissing boys who go to sleep every night praying that some day they'll get to smell some pussy instead of just their boy-cousins ass.... More importantly, that can't ski. Period. So they spend all day looking for someone to belittle so that hopefully they'll feel better about their own lame, chronic addled attempts at the runs. If they're real lucky, their boyfriends will read this how-to and teach them. Then they can finally enjoy the mountain."

Then this wonderful gem:

"Thanks for pointing out how self-righteous everyone here is. lulz.
You emo/fem faggots really thrive on advice that makes you think you can understand women. Hope your balls drop someday. I took my girlfriend skiing yesterday, threw her down the steep shit, got a blowjob on the hill and still bagged the poopenhausen at the and of the day. I allowed her to love every minute of it."


Don't be blind man, the hate on women is in a lot of places and we need to stop ignoring it and take a stand. It might be better on TGR than it is on NS (I admit we have a problem, which is why we're dealing with it) but it isn't invisible. This is a problem in our industry and we need to do something about it.
Oct 2 2014 9:45AM
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Mr.Bishop
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C.dubsFunny. I made pretty much the same point in a thread back in January and the first comment in response was to call me a f***ing c**t etc.


I think we can all agree that things have gotten a bit out of control. This is the reason we've been really trying to blow this issue open and dedicate a lot more resources to guiding people back on track.

I'm really sorry you had that experience.
Oct 2 2014 10:11AM
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270on420out
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ChubbyBoymaybe I'm getting way too much on my feminist preach shit but I personally think you don't need to make those comments on a thread. It has nothing to do with the thread and it's just disrespectful to woman.


I feel as if though that you may have interpreted the comments as sexist humor , where I viewed them as dark humor.
Oct 2 2014 10:15AM
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neutralzombie
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ChubbyBoymaybe I'm getting way too much on my feminist preach shit but I personally think you don't need to make those comments on a thread. It has nothing to do with the thread and it's just disrespectful to woman.


No they are offensive. And I agreed and called it out after I was told there would be more moderating on the matter and I haven't seen it yet.

As for out of hand? Maybe amplified because there's more women on this website now. This has been going on too long.
Oct 2 2014 10:21AM
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S.J.W
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OREOPRAHI feel as if though that you may have interpreted the comments as sexist humor , where I viewed them as dark humor.


There are times and places for black humor and I think a thread about a woman passed out isn't the place to suggest a rape joke.
Oct 2 2014 10:22AM
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-emile-
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ChubbyBoymaybe I'm getting way too much on my feminist preach shit


yep
Oct 2 2014 10:24AM
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SFBv420.0
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nuthin like scroungin around the padded room or a decade old threads and obvious to everyone but clueless jongs like you troll threads to try n prove a point. no one shits on tr's and stoke threads.
nice try though
youre goofy tgr has always had rippin female skiers in their films and the audience cheers are just as loud for those atheletes
then your confusing the company that makes movies that has a forum site w/ a company that is a forum site that hosts content w/ shitty 30 second spam shit
like this fuckin joke to every women who slides on snow
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/692101/Clayton-Vila-MUTINY-Edit
shouldn't you be trying to figure out why tgr ad space garners a much higher rate
then trying to prove a point that isn't there
Oct 2 2014 10:30AM
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PacificRimJob
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SFBv420.0nuthin like scroungin around the padded room or a decade old threads and obvious to everyone but clueless jongs like you troll threads to try n prove a point. no one shits on tr's and stoke threads.


Dude, what's your point here? Are you just another "TGR is better" goon?

Sexism is everywhere in the snow community. Whether it's NS, Epicski, TGR, whatever. It might be more silent on other sites (which admittedly has a more mature viewerbase) but it's still very much an underlying issue that needs to be rectified across all mediums - not just internet forums, but in advertisements, magazine articles (remember the 'gear girl' articles of old? Yeah, the guys loved it, but damn.. that's objectified consumerism if I've ever seen it) video media, and the products themselves (All too often I hear ladies bitching about womens skis, boots etc, being WAY too girly, so they buy shorter dudes skis so they don't have to be seen on some gaudy pink 'girls barbie bike' skis and be immediately discredited for it)
Oct 2 2014 12:06PM
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Mr.Bishop
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SFBv420.0shouldn't you be trying to figure out why tgr ad space garners a much higher rate
then trying to prove a point that isn't there


The ad space on their media pages does well because its media. Their forum space suffers from the same issue as any other forum.

I'm just making a point in that its out there. Hell, the problem on here is just a couple of fucksticks that are ruining the party for everyone else, which is why we're addressing it.

I'm sure the couple of TGR homies respect their ladies... just like the couple of Newschoolers homies do too. Its when the masses of fucktards get into it that the problem lies.

Also note - I'm never saying we aren't guilty - or even that we aren't the worst - all I'm saying is that its a meta problem and we all need to do our part to stop ignoring it. I'm doing mine, and am going to dedicate as many resources as I can to changing our little world over here.

Oh - and TGR is WAY better than newschoolers. I get that... and you should totally spend way more time there instead of scolding us little children over here.
Oct 2 2014 12:15PM
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SFBv420.0
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Humor has it's place
not scolding but,
i blame the wu- tang and the influence of the thug gansta disrespect, objectifaction of women, culture into a sport that has nothing to do with it
not sure of your solution
just stoked 2 not b part of your problem
Oct 2 2014 12:36PM
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Mr.Bishop
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SFBv420.0Humor has it's place
not scolding but,
i blame the wu- tang and the influence of the thug gansta disrespect, objectifaction of women, culture into a sport that has nothing to do with it
not sure of your solution
just stoked 2 not b part of your problem


You're more a part of us than 98% of skiers on the planet.

You're one of us, you're just conflicted about it.
Oct 2 2014 12:43PM
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PacificRimJob
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SFBv420.0Humor has it's place
not scolding but,
i blame the wu- tang and the influence of the thug gansta disrespect, objectifaction of women, culture into a sport that has nothing to do with it
not sure of your solution
just stoked 2 not b part of your problem



Rather than calling us out on a problem that we were actively attempting to change, and already succeeding at, why don't you take the stick out of your butt and start acting like your age. Perhaps learn how to not type like you're a 12 year old texting during the flip-phone era..

I don't understand the whole TGR homer crap. Go hang out with your baby boomer crowd if you're so out of touch...
Oct 2 2014 1:01PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Just in case people for some reason think we're the only problem out there...

https://www.facebook.com/Freeskier/posts/10152547021974877
Oct 9 2014 11:05AM
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losh
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toastyteenagersI fourth

but I admit to watch more mens skiing


there is more mens skiing to watch, so dont we all?
Oct 9 2014 1:59PM
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cobra_commander
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Any time a small group of women move into a traditionally male group or culture there is going to be push back. Skiing is one of those cultures.

Want to get respect, bring your A-game and show you can play ball.
Guys are giving you shit? Throw it right back at them. Some guy or gal calls you out? Show them up.
There are plenty of skiing circles out there with one or two gals, where they are fully respected. Why? Because they throw the fuck down, and are NEVER the weak link. They are the ones spotting the new line, one-uping the tricks, skiing it just a bit faster or bigger than the last person.

This isn't just a male/female thing. It happens anytime someone new shows up to a team. You need to show you're capable. If your not, don't expect to hang around long. It just so happens, that due to evolutionary physiological reasons, less females can hang in athletic sports than guys, so there is going to be some natural skepticism. It's not wrong, unless you are some PC, hug-it-out, pacifist wimp. It's fucking science, and to an extent, evofuckinglution.

We are all human, we are going to make jokes of things. It's not a problem, it's just that life is better when you are having fun. If the humor offends your sensitive ears, stop fucking listing; wimp.
There are too many people running around looking to be offended by something these days.

Want respect? Show the fuck up and earn it. Want other people to respect female skiers? Get the fuck out of their way and let them show they deserve it. There are way too many women who are more than strong enough to do so with out some whinny guy trying to protect them. Don't believe me? Get off the forum, and go into the world, cause these ladies are not bitching online, they are too busy getting ahead. Making a bitch thread and threatening to censor anyone who disagrees with your whine fest is not going to do anything to earn girls respect, it is actually counter productive.

End rant/
Wimps are wimps, and cunts are cunts, regardless of what is between their legs.
Oct 12 2014 10:49AM
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gperry1
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Well said, if anything we need more girls in our sport and all this hate on the women skiers will only make the women ski community shrink.,
Oct 13 2014 2:54PM
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vandersteeze
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cobra_commanderWant respect? Show the fuck up and earn it. Want other people to respect female skiers? Get the fuck out of their way and let them show they deserve it.


What he said
Oct 15 2014 4:24PM
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vandersteeze
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Also TGR is another one of those male spaces like cobra_commander said, they will tear you apart for being new and posting stupid shit online but when you actually meet up with them in person they are good people who you can ski with, rideshare with, meet up with, etc.
Oct 15 2014 4:33PM
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SamSandmire
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Karma_PolicePretty much this. The site is full of tweens who have no idea how to talk to a woman, let alone a girl.


So let's enlighten them.
Nov 20 2014 9:00PM
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yellav
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did anyone else read OPs entire post in richard simmons voice?
Nov 21 2014 12:51AM
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nford
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Just to put something out there
P
Only my third year of freeskiing, just getting into the aspects of everything
Produced a season edit, thought everything was great
Comments were pretty positive, saying the progression was large and the tricks were improving
Got a bunch of crap about my outfit choosing, which kind of made me feel like all those shots were throwaway, no matter how good I thought it was
I wanted to produce an edit this summer including some summer shots and season shots, but with the feedback I had just felt like there was no point and the skiing wouldn't be appreciated
Now I have a different perspective, I know my outfit choice was lame, but i don't care, just going to produce whatever and hope
People appreciate the skiing

Disclaimer
I'm 13 and I have no idea what I'm doing and I should prob be off ns
Nov 21 2014 1:18AM
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vandersteeze
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nfordComments were pretty positive, saying the progression was large and the tricks were improving
Got a bunch of crap about my outfit choosing, which kind of made me feel like all those shots were throwaway, no matter how good I thought it was


You are trying to get external validation for your skiing. Dont. Just do it because you think its good
Nov 21 2014 4:38AM
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Literature
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Ladies, keep crushing it. Let us know how to support you and I'll damn well do my best.

On another note, this thread is full proof that this forum can hold constructive, deep, interesting conversations about serious topics. There's no question that I sometimes get really frustrated with the shallowness on display here, but for real, this thread is exactly what we're capable of. Thanks for restoring my faith.
Nov 21 2014 5:33AM
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CrotchKiller
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SFBv420.0Humor has it's place
not scolding but,
i blame the wu- tang and the influence of the thug gansta disrespect, objectifaction of women, culture into a sport that has nothing to do with it
not sure of your solution
just stoked 2 not b part of your problem


Mom, is that you?
Nov 21 2014 8:37AM
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ModMommy
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let's bump this lmao
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BWalmer
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safarisamlet's bump this lmao


6 and a half years and we’re still here... :(
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