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Workout supplements... Are they useful or is it just paying for expensive pee

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kingsskier
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I never really got into the whole workout supplement thing. I Know protein is useful, but what about the other supplements? I know with most multivitamins, you are just paying for expensive vitamin packed urine. Is that the case with workout supplements?

If they do work and are useful, someone learn me on what to look for or good brands.
My goal is not to get huge and swol, but, to cut a little weight and get in great cardio shape with strength training be the secondary goal.

Also, I'm definitely not looking to be roided out either.
Sep 28 2014 12:37PM
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deleted5
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didn't read anything you posted but yes they are worth it, but up to a certain point. if you just get a standard thing of protein and amino acids along with vitamins you'll be fine some people pay $600+ a month for supplements and that's overkill supplements are just supplements if you eat right and work out correctly that's going to make the biggest change.
Sep 28 2014 1:08PM
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steezburgereddie
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Expensive farts
Sep 28 2014 5:31PM
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987321654hgfd
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Creatine. Dirt cheap and it works. Just buy Mono hydrate and ignore the fancier sounding more expensive ones.

"I don't usually like to write whole articles about supplements because I believe diet and training to be far more important than any combination of supplements. However there are a few supplements that work, creatine being the most notable of all of them."

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne13.htm
Sep 28 2014 5:40PM
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dispatchQ_main
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but man the tubs are so big and have extreme chrome sticker graphics
Sep 28 2014 6:00PM
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toastyteenagers
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I drink this protein, carb, and caffine powdered shit.

It works really well but after the game I throw up.
Sep 28 2014 6:15PM
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xxACIDTRIPxx
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The only supplements worth buying are:
creatine mono
zinc
fish oil
Sep 29 2014 12:54AM
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Bombogenesis
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Protein, creatine, aminos


i know some guys who are huugee on just protein and a good diet
Sep 29 2014 6:44AM
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ZachAndCheese
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Steroids are pretty sweet, mad gainz bro
Sep 29 2014 7:09AM
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veng_m
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Sep 29 2014 7:24AM
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deleted5
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veng_myou
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Wrong, I alwayd forget how much newschoolers doesn't know about working out until some of these threads are made. Where's jaydope when you need him.
Sep 29 2014 11:49AM
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123+ski
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Ones worth getting
Protein (but still eat real food too). I like dymatize ISO 100, it is more expensive, but it doesn't fuck with my stomach.
Creatine monohydrate (pure mono powder is cheap and works). I use optimum nutrition brand. It was like $30 for 2kg.
Preworkout is good, but don't use it if you are young, don't over do it, and I wouldn't say it is 100% necessary. I like GAT nitraflex and c4

Aside from that, I take fish oil, a multivitamin, zinc, and vitamin d. These are all worth it in my opinion. Fish oil was the most expensive, but I can tell that it helps. The other ones are cheap enough that I take them regardless.

Ones that aren't worth it.
Almost anything at gnc. Crazy expensive, and usually low quality too.
Anything claiming to boost testosterone or that says things like "anabolic." There are some things, prohormones or designer steroids, that are legal and can work. If you have to ask, don't use them, just keep lifting and researching.
Six star/body fortress are usually crap.
Look for stuff without lots of fillers.
Sep 29 2014 12:29PM
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kingsskier
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p.hawksOnes worth getting
Protein (but still eat real food too). I like dymatize ISO 100, it is more expensive, but it doesn't fuck with my stomach.
Creatine monohydrate (pure mono powder is cheap and works). I use optimum nutrition brand. It was like $30 for 2kg.
Preworkout is good, but don't use it if you are young, don't over do it, and I wouldn't say it is 100% necessary. I like GAT nitraflex and c4

Aside from that, I take fish oil, a multivitamin, zinc, and vitamin d. These are all worth it in my opinion. Fish oil was the most expensive, but I can tell that it helps. The other ones are cheap enough that I take them regardless.

Ones that aren't worth it.
Almost anything at gnc. Crazy expensive, and usually low quality too.
Anything claiming to boost testosterone or that says things like "anabolic." There are some things, prohormones or designer steroids, that are legal and can work. If you have to ask, don't use them, just keep lifting and researching.
Six star/body fortress are usually crap.
Look for stuff without lots of fillers.


Thanks for this post and the few other people who actually helped.

A little more about me to help zone in:
I'm 27, so I'm not going to hinder any growth.
I have been working out and am in good shape, I just wanted to know if I could go to another level with supplements.
Here is a big one that people may try ripping on me for... I eat super healthy, I am a vegan and have been for about 4 so fish oils and pre-digested proteins are not for me.
Sep 29 2014 2:07PM
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ABdrummer
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I use creatine, fish oil, and a multi with aminos. All this shit is pretty cheap and I don't wanna waste money on whey protein. The protein you eat in a good balanced diet is much more effective in your body than powder.

TLDR Eggs and chicken 4 dayz
Sep 29 2014 8:55PM
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JayDope
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new to training supplements id suggest would be some type of whey protein, optimum nutrition or Rule 1 seem to be some of the best as far as nutritional standards go, creatine mono- the most studied supplement out there, amino acids work great to help with muscle recovery and soreness, and if you want to get a little bit of energy and really take your workout to the next level a pre-workout is fucking great, my personal favorites would have to be hyde by prosupps, pre-shock by gear nutra, c4 by cellucor, and if you want one thats creatine free i found hyper fx by BSN or iron pump by musclepharm arnold series to be the best. Granted your diet is solely the most important aspect as stated above these are simply supplements. I dont really take any protein powder because my diet is so high in protein as it is. I do take aminos because of the intense training sessions i have (45min-hour non-stop superset isolation circuits) sometimes twice a day 6-7 days a week. Pre-workout is a must for me the extra energy boost and pump really is worth it. Creatine i take but cut it out about 3-4 weeks out from a show, if you have any questions about purchasing supps or any other generic questions feel free to pm me.
Sep 29 2014 9:26PM
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richard.
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Supplements just help you meet your daily calories and macros. If you're already eating enough calories, protein, carbs, and fats, then you don't need it
Sep 29 2014 10:23PM
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AT-AT
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I think they are just an expensive way to piss neon.

but then again I am a bigger man and can put on muscle in my sleep. However, I envy those who can stay thin. It is a constant struggle for me to keep weight off.
Sep 29 2014 10:26PM
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JGWI
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I know these might be some boring reads, but they are written by physicians and experts in the field. Not that creepy buff guy who sits in the gym all day drinking raw eggs.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/813906
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/72/2/551s.full
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/9/1/28
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24435468

Google Scholar is an amazing tool when it comes to finding out things like this. The resorces are reliable and far more detailed than a normal Google search. You might have to download a couple PDF's to view the entire document.

http://scholar.google.com/
Sep 29 2014 10:45PM
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deleted5
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DBH5601I know these might be some boring reads, but they are written by physicians and experts in the field.


The fact that you said physicians doesn't give you a lot of credibility I didn't click on any of the links, but to graduate medical school you take zero nutrition classes, a lot of them have no idea what they're talking about. Take what doctors say about nutrition with a grain of salt.
Sep 29 2014 11:13PM
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JGWI
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zzzskizzzThe fact that you said physicians doesn't give you a lot of credibility I didn't click on any of the links, but to graduate medical school you take zero nutrition classes, a lot of them have no idea what they're talking about. Take what doctors say about nutrition with a grain of salt.


Then who do I go to on the subject? Because i'm pretty damn sure your average health center fitness expert can't scientfically explain with any credibilty about the effects of these supliments. Yes I know what you are refering too when you say medical schools are really lacking when it comes to nutrition education. I think it is like 30% of schools put their students through a nutrition coarse. However most doctors are far more knowledgeable in applied subjects such as biology, biochemestry, and physiology than most other experts. Now how does say an Intensivist manage to keep a patiant alive if they have zero oral intake and require nutrition suport? I'm sure he has a decent amount of knowledge on the subject. Who would you go to when looking for information on the subject?


I think I just lost brain cells reading your comment.
Sep 29 2014 11:38PM
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Tinga
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if your main goal is great cardio just eat well and be really freaking active. There are no questions or other options.
Sep 29 2014 11:46PM
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deleted5
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To this amazing magical person called a nutritionist, then while you're there talking to the nutritionist. Ask him or her what they think about physicians giving nutritional advice, enjoy that shot of b12.
Sep 29 2014 11:46PM
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JGWI
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zzzskizzzTo this amazing magical person called a nutritionist, then while you're there talking to the nutritionist. Ask him or her what they think about physicians giving nutritional advice, enjoy that shot of b12.


Yes I do agree that a nutritionist has more knowledge on the subject, but the same can be said that a Nephrologists knows more about the kidneys than a Cardiologist. But that doesnt mean a Cardiologist doesnt know how pee is made. Having worked side by side with MD's and DO's for the past 3 years I can tell you they are not clueless on the subject.
Sep 29 2014 11:59PM
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deleted5
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DBH5601Yes I do agree that a nutritionist has more knowledge on the subject, but the same can be said that a Nephrologists knows more about the kidneys than a Cardiologist. But that doesnt mean a Cardiologist doesnt know how pee is made. Having worked side by side with MD's and DO's for the past 3 years I can tell you they are not clueless on the subject.

when it comes to nutrition doctors don't know anything unless they've studied it in school, which again is not a requirement, so they would have to do it on their own time. knowing how pee is made is not the equivalent to understanding, I'm not even sure the word I'm looking for but being able to tell their patients nutritionally what will be most optimal for their body and what supplements work and don't work. You don't learn that from medical school and all the professors I've had that did have a PhD in nutrition told me its atrocious to what physicians know about it. Do they know what vitamins do to the body yeah, can they tell you how much you should be taking, yeah. Can they give you a nutritional plan that will be equivalent to what a nutritionist can do, no.
Sep 30 2014 12:05AM
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JGWI
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zzzskizzzwhen it comes to nutrition doctors don't know anything unless they've studied it in school, which again is not a requirement, so they would have to do it on their own time. knowing how pee is made is not the equivalent to understanding, I'm not even sure the word I'm looking for but being able to tell their patients nutritionally what will be most optimal for their body and what supplements work and don't work. You don't learn that from medical school and all the professors I've had that did have a PhD in nutrition told me its atrocious to what physicians know about it. Do they know what vitamins do to the body yeah, can they tell you how much you should be taking, yeah. Can they give you a nutritional plan that will be equivalent to what a nutritionist can do, no.


It might be a regional thing. UMN has a strong nutrition and public health program and that is incorporated into their Med School. I understand though that MDs/DOs, PAs, and NPs are in no way as knowledgeable in nutrition as nutritionists and I am not trying to say they are. I feel from my experience though that most who have gone through the UMN program's for the degrees that I listed above do have a decent understanding of the subject to the point to where I would trust their professional opinion.
Sep 30 2014 12:36AM
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123+ski
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kingsskierThanks for this post and the few other people who actually helped.

A little more about me to help zone in:
I'm 27, so I'm not going to hinder any growth.
I have been working out and am in good shape, I just wanted to know if I could go to another level with supplements.
Here is a big one that people may try ripping on me for... I eat super healthy, I am a vegan and have been for about 4 so fish oils and pre-digested proteins are not for me.


Not using prohormones/designer steroids isn't just about age. While they are dangerous under 21, many legal OTC supplements in this category are more dangerous than many illegal anabolics. A lot of people don't realize this, they just equate legal with safe.

Do what you can to eat a lot of protein. I'm trying to gain weight, so I aim for 225g a day, so a gram per pound of target weight. Also, make sure you get enough fat. Typically about 1/2 a gram per lb. This will help the most. I like to use my fitness pal to log calories/macros on my iPhone. Managed to gain 15+ labs and drop 3-4% body fat in just over 2 months, and just keeping track helped a ton.

Zinc is supposed to boost testosterone, and vitamin d is good for skin/sunlight/calcium. That's all that's coming to mind right now, but I'll post back here if I think of something else.
Oct 1 2014 1:24PM
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Krotchs_Brother
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Creatine Monohydrate and Whey Protein. /thread
Oct 1 2014 3:47PM
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skiinghorse
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workout supplements are bullshit, same with all that jenny craig, herbal magic, and slimfast type shit. honestly just find a good juice recipe and get on that shit its really all u need. mean green thats my thing and it gives you all the nutrients and shit .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZQvEUQr9eo&list=UUqt7VquH-MaPaY1sIdk13iA
Oct 1 2014 3:53PM
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987321654hgfd
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skiinghorseworkout supplements are bullshit, same with all that jenny craig, herbal magic, and slimfast type shit. honestly just find a good juice recipe and get on that shit its really all u need. mean green thats my thing and it gives you all the nutrients and shit .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZQvEUQr9eo&list=UUqt7VquH-MaPaY1sIdk13iA


Who is this tuck? He keeps saying he's a "Carndals" fan.
Oct 1 2014 4:20PM
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kingsskierThanks for this post and the few other people who actually helped.

A little more about me to help zone in:
I'm 27, so I'm not going to hinder any growth.
I have been working out and am in good shape, I just wanted to know if I could go to another level with supplements.
Here is a big one that people may try ripping on me for... I eat super healthy, I am a vegan and have been for about 4 so fish oils and pre-digested proteins are not for me.



If you're vegan definitely look into creatine. Naturally we get most of our creatine from meats, as a vegan you will have lower natural levels of creatine in your body. Once you start taking creatine it will take two weeks to a month for your muscles to be saturated and once this happens your ATP production will go up giving you more energy while exercising.

You'll most likely need to take protein supplements as well since vegetarians and vegans usually lack protein. Your muscles need protein to rebuild after exercising; no protein, no muscle growth.
Oct 1 2014 7:39PM
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MuckMaestro
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Mutant mass. Puts on more weight than you could believe
Oct 1 2014 8:23PM
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