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The rise of the street kids

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Mr.Bishop
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Maybe I've been living under a rock for a few years, but it seems to me that the level of street skiing is getting absolutely un-fucking-believable.

Right?
Sep 26 2014 1:25AM
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toastyteenagers
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Have you seen anything logan imlach has done?
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/756434/Logan-Imlach-Sunny-Jib-Segment
Sep 26 2014 1:43AM
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theabortionator
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People just don't give a fuck. Park tricks in the streets. YOLO
Sep 26 2014 2:05AM
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veng_m
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what about clayton vila? you aint seen urban till you see him, he goes hard af

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/692101/Clayton-Vila-MUTINY-Edit
Sep 26 2014 6:58AM
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BWalmer
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I was thinking about this after iF3. I noticed that there weren't as many park shoots like there were in the past, and I think it comes down to money. Urban is cheaper than a park shoot, so film companies and realizing that people will still watch their films if it's all urban (proven by the success of Stept and 4bi9 and others), so now urban is the biggest focus in films. Since it's now the biggest focus, crews have to get really creative with it, and they have to go really big with it. This combo of big and creative is leading to the unbelievable shots that we've been seeing lately. And of course, when the pros start going crazy in the streets, the kids will follow. It's only going to get crazier from here.
Sep 26 2014 8:06AM
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N.L.
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shits real, life or death stunts!!!
im all about stept landing on slush and concrete, but the idea of making something impossible possible with a huge amount of snow has only started to be explored... building actual setups (with permission) will really expand the boundaries!
Sep 26 2014 8:10AM
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Stadtski
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veng_mwhat about clayton vila? you aint seen urban till you see him, he goes hard af

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/692101/Clayton-Vila-MUTINY-Edit


unrelated, but does anyone know why hes wearing a medical mask for the last few shots of the video
Sep 26 2014 9:44AM
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Mr.Bishop
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BWalmerI was thinking about this after iF3. I noticed that there weren't as many park shoots like there were in the past, and I think it comes down to money. Urban is cheaper than a park shoot, so film companies and realizing that people will still watch their films if it's all urban (proven by the success of Stept and 4bi9 and others), so now urban is the biggest focus in films. Since it's now the biggest focus, crews have to get really creative with it, and they have to go really big with it. This combo of big and creative is leading to the unbelievable shots that we've been seeing lately. And of course, when the pros start going crazy in the streets, the kids will follow. It's only going to get crazier from here.


That was kind of where I was going with this. There was so many really sick urban parts - and its not just a few rails here and there, jumps, jibs, drops - everything.

Winches I think have been a huge game changer in terms of what is possible in the streets.
Sep 26 2014 10:01AM
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270on420out
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Rosa_Parkunrelated, but does anyone know why hes wearing a medical mask for the last few shots of the video


That shot was filmed in an area with very high smog.
Sep 26 2014 10:02AM
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Saga.
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BWalmerI think it comes down to money. Urban is cheaper than a park shoot


Debatable. Yes going our in the day time to hit spots in your home town/city with some friends and bungee or drop in is very cheap. But if you're talking about the street skiing level 1, 4bi9 and stept do there are a lot of costs. You have lights (very not cheap), generator, winch, and travel to a destination.
Sep 26 2014 10:47AM
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hoodcrew
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Saga.Debatable. Yes going our in the day time to hit spots in your home town/city with some friends and bungee or drop in is very cheap. But if you're talking about the street skiing level 1, 4bi9 and stept do there are a lot of costs. You have lights (very not cheap), generator, winch, and travel to a destination.


this, handrail skiing has taken a huge toll on our bank accts. Luh dat shit tho
Sep 26 2014 12:01PM
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TurquoiseGrizzly
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Mr.BishopThat was kind of where I was going with this. There was so many really sick urban parts - and its not just a few rails here and there, jumps, jibs, drops - everything.

Winches I think have been a huge game changer in terms of what is possible in the streets.


I much prefer seeing the jumps, and drops personally. The creativeness coming out with some of these spots and features are getting unreal. It's like the focus isn't just on rails anymore it's all features that they can do hand drags, jib, tap, anything. It's exciting to see.
Sep 26 2014 12:22PM
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snowfinder
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I use to watch so many pow and bc edits, but now a days I'm finding my self skipping those for the street edits. They are way more creative and just a lot of fun to watch.
Sep 26 2014 1:24PM
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304NordMan
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veng_mwhat about clayton vila? you aint seen urban till you see him, he goes hard af

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/692101/Clayton-Vila-MUTINY-Edit


So fucking sick. This just got me super stoked to get out and hit all these rails ive been eyeing up around the area.

Urban is the coolest direction our sport has gone, seeing super creative set ups and the effort and balls it takes gets me hyped as fuck to see what people will do next.
Sep 26 2014 1:49PM
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Mr.DarthVader
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i wanna see more of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t0tfNrZTOc

**This post was edited on Sep 26th 2014 at 2:18:09pm
Sep 26 2014 1:49PM
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JonnyK
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What impresses me is the work that crews will put in just to hit a spot. Some of those features take hours just to set up when there is no guarantee that you won't get kicked out before you get a good shot.
Sep 26 2014 2:16PM
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Lucas
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Saga.Debatable. Yes going our in the day time to hit spots in your home town/city with some friends and bungee or drop in is very cheap. But if you're talking about the street skiing level 1, 4bi9 and stept do there are a lot of costs. You have lights (very not cheap), generator, winch, and travel to a destination.


No one is saying that it doesn't have costs. However, I have to imagine it is cheaper to get out one time and buy lights, winch/bungee, and a generator than to have a park construct a custom feature every year.
Sep 26 2014 2:18PM
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powabunga
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hoodcrewthis, handrail skiing has taken a huge toll on our bank accts. Luh dat shit tho


thats why ive bought thirsty. plus i love watching the ratchet shit you do on your snapchat
Sep 26 2014 2:39PM
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integrated
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inb4 someone creates a brand named "street kids"
Sep 26 2014 2:44PM
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Saga.
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LucasNo one is saying that it doesn't have costs. However, I have to imagine it is cheaper to get out one time and buy lights, winch/bungee, and a generator than to have a park construct a custom feature every year.


True. I think with both park shoots and street skiing there is a range. A lot of crews here in Utah have a pretty good set up with the wealth of street features to hit so the cost there is relatively cheap. Buying that equipment is a 1 time cost essentially. However look at some of the places people go for urban shoots. Level 1 went to Poland, 4bi9 to Bosnia. Transporting a crew of a couple riders, videographer, photographer, and any necessary equipment to these remote destinations can be costly.

Also with some park shoots different companies will split the costs. Look at some of the older level 1 movies and compare them to mack dawg snowboard movies of the day. The park features are the same. One crew uses it for a week or so then the other comes in.

I guess what it really comes down to is how involved you want the park shoot or street spots to be.

Lastly this doesn't necessarily speak to the cost so much as it does the athlete involvement. Generally you show up to a park shoot, make some tweaks with the staff and go. Street shots are almost always assembled by the skiers themselves.
Sep 26 2014 3:19PM
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hank.ski
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Love this thread, I love that urban has given skiers and filmers a big opportunity to use music and clothing to work with their surroundings. street skiing compliments artistic portrayal super well and that's dope.
Sep 26 2014 5:40PM
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BWalmer
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Saga.Debatable. Yes going our in the day time to hit spots in your home town/city with some friends and bungee or drop in is very cheap. But if you're talking about the street skiing level 1, 4bi9 and stept do there are a lot of costs. You have lights (very not cheap), generator, winch, and travel to a destination.


Of course it's not cheap. But I have to imagine it's cheaper than a $100,000 jump. And it's not just the crew that's footing the bill. Ski areas aren't really seeing the benefit to it anymore, they spend a ton of money on a jump, house a bunch of rowdy athletes and get what, 5min tops in a ski film...there's no up side to it for them. So yeah, it is more expensive for a crew to hit the streets than film on a park jump, cause generally the park jump was free for them, but it's harder to convince a mountain to do it now.
Sep 26 2014 6:47PM
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Mr_Mistur
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veng_mwhat about clayton vila? you aint seen urban till you see him, he goes hard af

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/692101/Clayton-Vila-MUTINY-Edit


So dopee
Sep 26 2014 10:15PM
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THEE_wizard
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veng_mwhat about clayton vila? you aint seen urban till you see him, he goes hard af

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/692101/Clayton-Vila-MUTINY-Edit


the down flat down at 1:35 is at my school and it's fucking huge! but it really looks small here. Just shows how big these guys are really going here.
Sep 26 2014 11:47PM
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jpastor
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We are really getting the separation that skateboarding got back in the 80s. Kids moving from the park and comp skating to just street skating and making film. You really got to see the true separation around the time that the Olympic announcement happened and all the talk we had back then.
Sep 27 2014 10:33AM
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Saga.
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Just to play devils advocate, there are some people out there that I could watch do cork 7 blunts all day for the rest of my life on a park jump. If Nicky put out a video segment consisting of only park shoots it would be one of the best things to watch ever. But I might be a little biased.
Sep 27 2014 11:25AM
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busterburns
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^ this is true too, if big urban skiers pay a lot for everything you need to hit shit in the streets then you're paying a lot for not too many shots
Sep 27 2014 6:12PM
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lurking
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THEE_wizardthe down flat down at 1:35 is at my school and it's fucking huge! but it really looks small here. Just shows how big these guys are really going here.


Thats at Wheat Ridge? Never even seen it
Sep 27 2014 10:46PM
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Lucas
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Thats more of a time thing than a money thing though.
Sep 28 2014 3:20AM
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theabortionator
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BWalmerOf course it's not cheap. But I have to imagine it's cheaper than a $100,000 jump. And it's not just the crew that's footing the bill. Ski areas aren't really seeing the benefit to it anymore, they spend a ton of money on a jump, house a bunch of rowdy athletes and get what, 5min tops in a ski film...there's no up side to it for them. So yeah, it is more expensive for a crew to hit the streets than film on a park jump, cause generally the park jump was free for them, but it's harder to convince a mountain to do it now.


most of the stuff was always done late or post season with whatever snow was left. If they had a big park there are already giant piles that can be used.
Sep 28 2014 6:20AM
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Literature
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I mean, isn't this part of a broader trend? People are doing really wild things in every venue of our sport.
Sep 28 2014 11:28AM
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Poikenz
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BWalmerI have to imagine it's cheaper than a $100,000 jump. And it's not just the crew that's footing the bill. Ski areas aren't really seeing the benefit to it anymore


The benefit is $100,000 more than the hill would have made being closed in the spring. Assuming that is when they built the feature.
Sep 28 2014 12:06PM
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hank.ski
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Hella downvoted for pointing out that street clothing and music compliment urban edits/parts...and you all linking villa's seg from mutiny. Listen to the track, look at what he's wearing. That shit came from street culture, not ski culture. damn yall love to hate.
Oct 1 2014 7:39PM
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BWalmer
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PoikenzThe benefit is $100,000 more than the hill would have made being closed in the spring. Assuming that is when they built the feature.


No, the hill is spending that money no matter what. No film company is paying anyone $100,000 to build a jump. So it's actually even worse when they're closed, cause they have to put so much time, energy and money into a build and they don't get any direct income for that time.
Oct 1 2014 7:43PM
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Poikenz
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BWalmerNo, the hill is spending that money no matter what. No film company is paying anyone $100,000 to build a jump. So it's actually even worse when they're closed, cause they have to put so much time, energy and money into a build and they don't get any direct income for that time.


I was using your figure for argument's sake. One could also argue "employee loyalty" because a few of the staff get to work a bit longer and make a bit more cash. The indirect income would also probably be very small without including any variables. Maybe some guy or some kid sees the film and goes to the hill, wow a $1000 profit. I would also imagine hills make more money from free exposure that edits bring- breck and key come to mind.

I would agree that there is little incentive, I just wish it wasn't always about money at the end of the day.
Oct 1 2014 8:34PM
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BWalmer
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PoikenzI was using your figure for argument's sake. One could also argue "employee loyalty" because a few of the staff get to work a bit longer and make a bit more cash. The indirect income would also probably be very small without including any variables. Maybe some guy or some kid sees the film and goes to the hill, wow a $1000 profit. I would also imagine hills make more money from free exposure that edits bring- breck and key come to mind.

I would agree that there is little incentive, I just wish it wasn't always about money at the end of the day.


My number was just an estimation, but that's not really the point. The point is that it's hard for a mountain to justify a park shoot now a days. They simply don't get enough from it. In the past, mountains used to consider it marketing because having your mountain in the ski flick was really the only way for your mountain to gain mainstream exposure (especially in the park world). But now that every Joe Schmo has a GoPro attached to their helmet and posts an edit of their trip to the mountain online from all to see they don't need that film shoot for exposure anymore.

That being said...this side of the argument is really starting to get off topic. Kids are slaying the streets, yay!
Oct 1 2014 9:25PM
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Saga.
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BWalmerNo, the hill is spending that money no matter what. No film company is paying anyone $100,000 to build a jump. So it's actually even worse when they're closed, cause they have to put so much time, energy and money into a build and they don't get any direct income for that time.


You should also consider the fact that the resort already spent the money to make the snow (assuming most resorts where park shoots happen the snow is primarily man made, not always true I know). So from an accounting stand point they're going to want to utilize that for every possible use they can. Seeing man man snow sit there in may and melt is like watching money burn.

And if you think the photos you see of people hitting park jumps in brochures are updated every year and current you are mistaken. Some of those photos are years old.

But you are right. This thread is getting way off topic. Haha. The level of street riding is wild. But thats always how its been and how it will always been. When you're in it it seems pretty feasible. As soon as you're on the outside a bit (either too old to risk it or too un skilled to do it) the things people do seem unbelievable. But its all about perspective. Thats why the everyday skier or snowboarder is blown away by a backflip. When in reality most active freestyle skiers and snowboards can and even might) do them with their eyes closed. Theres also the part where the stuff you see and remember in video clips is the best of the best. You don't usually see or remember the mediocre rails and tricks. Think about how many people are out there hitting street features and what percentage of those you actually see. And from that what ones you actually remember.
Oct 2 2014 2:00AM
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YDKS
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toastyteenagersHave you seen anything logan imlach has done?
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/756434/Logan-Imlach-Sunny-Jib-Segment


I'm not sure if you're being mean or the downvotes are, but I remember in the Director's cut of Sunny, Logan talks about the days spent setting up the line in that edit. He even points out his disappointment in the wall ride shot, where he doesn't land perfectly. I believe he's also mentioned his surprise at winning SuperUnknown.

Logan's a unique dude who is incredibly honest and outspoken on NS and an excellent example of balancing working (on an oil rig) and skiing, which a lot of skiers do, but few tend to talk about. Props to him for being such a positive influence on us and for keeping Level 1 unique. He's the man, and he skis super hard.
Oct 2 2014 4:01PM
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JuliusJ
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SamPutnamI'm not sure if you're being mean or the downvotes are, but I remember in the Director's cut of Sunny, Logan talks about the days spent setting up the line in that edit. He even points out his disappointment in the wall ride shot, where he doesn't land perfectly. I believe he's also mentioned his surprise at winning SuperUnknown.

Logan's a unique dude who is incredibly honest and outspoken on NS and an excellent example of balancing working (on an oil rig) and skiing, which a lot of skiers do, but few tend to talk about. Props to him for being such a positive influence on us and for keeping Level 1 unique. He's the man, and he skis super hard.


I don't know why it got downvotes cause I loved that segment...
Oct 2 2014 4:28PM
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