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Cop asked for drivers license and shoots man when he reached for it

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qazwsxedc34
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Screw evry cop dats eva done his job #copsrpigs. http://www.wltx.com/story/news/local/2014/09/24/video-released-released-of-trooper-involved-shooting/16187305/
Sep 25 2014 1:07PM
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brobama
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It seems like the cop is getting only a slight slap on the wrist for doing something really terrible
Sep 25 2014 6:32PM
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RubberSoul
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Barefootin_Fiendit's pretty easy to analyze the video and say all of this from the comfort and safety of your home. you're a great armchair quarterback. if you can't understand why someone who is placed in dangerous situations on a daily basis might react like he did under the circumstances, then I don't know what to tell you.

once again, i'm not saying that the cop was right, just that I can understand how it could happen. he's only human for christ's sake. I have not once stated that I don't think he should go to jail or face any disciplinary action, i've only stated that I don't think he should get 20 years for what appears to be an "honest mistake"


he's not going to sit in jail for 20 years dude...

and fuck off with this "it's pretty easy to say that from your computer screen" nonsense. the video evidence will show in court that he fucking blew it, no ifs ands or buts. i can't wait to see you call the court armchair quarterbacks when they watch the video and see what is plain as day.

he's a cop, he wields too much power for this "oh well man you have a stressful job, we'll charge you less severely than a civilian if you shoot someone" bs. get a grip, the perp could just as easily be dead right now. put the (max) sentence into perspective for you?

yes it was an honest mistake probably but 1) that's why he's being charged with the crime that concerns itself with harm done without malicious intent evidenced and 2) that doesnt change the fact that he fucked up and seriously endangered the guy
Sep 25 2014 6:42PM
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Aomame
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it's cause he was black. also you're not supposed to get out of your car when you're pulled over, and you should tell a cop what you're going to do before you do it. not that i side with him here, he even shot after the guy jumped away and had his hands up.
Sep 25 2014 6:50PM
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speedin
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Aomameit's cause he was black. also you're not supposed to get out of your car when you're pulled over, and you should tell a cop what you're going to do before you do it. not that i side with him here, he even shot after the guy jumped away and had his hands up.


I don't think the guy knew he was being pulled over until he saw the cop pull up behind him and get out of the car.

The cop told him to provide is drivers license. He did what he was told to do. No law requires you to keep your drivers license on your person at all times. He was simply getting his wallet where his license was.
Sep 25 2014 7:03PM
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speedin
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RubberSoulget a grip, the perp could just as easily be dead right now. put the (max) sentence into perspective for you?


OHHHHH but according to certain people on here, that point is moot because it didn't happen.

Totally agree with you.
Sep 25 2014 7:04PM
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.Hugo.
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speedinIn explaining Groubert's firing Friday, Smith said the department's policy on using force says that officers can use "only the level of force necessary to accomplish lawful objectives."

"That protocol was not followed in this case. Further, this incident occurred in broad daylight. Mr. Groubert had a clear and unobstructed view of Mr. Jones," Smith said.

The shooting, Smith said, "deviates from SCDPS standards and cannot be tolerated."


YOur reading comprehension is very bad. I said what he did was not right. All I said was that WHEN cops shoot they shoot multiple times, they will not shoot at someone once.
Sep 25 2014 7:58PM
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Rafiki
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don't know where you derived this logic but the "omg all cops are pigs" is much more justifiable because there has been a consistent flow of unlawful shootings of primarily black people by officers within the last few months.
Sep 25 2014 8:06PM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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RubberSoulhe's not going to sit in jail for 20 years dude...

and fuck off with this "it's pretty easy to say that from your computer screen" nonsense. the video evidence will show in court that he fucking blew it, no ifs ands or buts. i can't wait to see you call the court armchair quarterbacks when they watch the video and see what is plain as day.

he's a cop, he wields too much power for this "oh well man you have a stressful job, we'll charge you less severely than a civilian if you shoot someone" bs. get a grip, the perp could just as easily be dead right now. put the (max) sentence into perspective for you?

yes it was an honest mistake probably but 1) that's why he's being charged with the crime that concerns itself with harm done without malicious intent evidenced and 2) that doesnt change the fact that he fucked up and seriously endangered the guy

oh, so now we're playing the "could have" game? so the perp just as easily "could have" been reaching for a gun to shoot the cop. the perp "could have" been reaching for a gecko to announce that he just saved 15% on his car insurance by switching to Geico. well, maybe not that one because we all know black people don't have insurance. (joke, relax.)

blah, blah, blah. whatever. you're free to think what you want because ultimately it means jack fuck all either way.
Sep 25 2014 8:10PM
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toastyteenagers
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relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW0RAiVuBL8
Sep 25 2014 8:28PM
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cornholio
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Granite_StateWhen I drive my wallet is in a cubby below my radio, not in my back pocket...Makes for easy access going through drive-thru's, tolls, and even traffic stops...


if you went to a gas station or convenience store would you pick it up before you got out of the car to go inside and buy something?
Sep 25 2014 8:48PM
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cornholio
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Granite_StateWhen I drive my wallet is in a cubby below my radio, not in my back pocket...Makes for easy access going through drive-thru's, tolls, and even traffic stops...


if you went to a gas station or convenience store would you pick it up before you got out of the car to go inside and buy something?
Sep 25 2014 8:48PM
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Phil-X-
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Cop over reacted, thats a given, but I don't blame him or think he should be put in jail or anything like that. For anyone who thinks this is a race issue and says "what if he was white", so many crazy fuckin white dudes try and kill cops I would think no different.

Imagine being a cop and seeing someone turn that quick into their car right after you say something to them. The first time I watched the video I didn't read the title on whatever site it was and thought it was about to be a shoot out when he went into his car.

if you don't see where I'm coming from, just go on youtube and search "officer shot traffic stop" there will be a ton of results
Sep 25 2014 8:48PM
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qazwsxedc34
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brobamaOP hopped on the bandwagon of condemning all cops because of a couple of cops' actions lol


It was obviously a joke
Sep 26 2014 12:30AM
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qazwsxedc34
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Not only did he shoot off multiple shots when the guys hands were up but he was near gas pumps.
Sep 26 2014 12:35AM
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Bart.Man
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I don't understand how anyone is laying blame on the victim here. There was no threatening language or connotation of any kind, and he entered the car in a reasonable way, following the orders of the cop. That jumpy, trigger-happy cop had his pistol drawn the minute that man's back was turned and started firing befor he was even out of the car fully.

Looking at the bigger picture, are we really ready and willing to give people of this training level full military equipment and unfettered power over crowd control and other situations? You get one guy like the cop in this video in the mix and he acts as the match in a powderkeg eruption that ends in a lot of bloodshed.
Sep 26 2014 12:57AM
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deleted5
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saskskierYou can't charge someone with attempted murder unless you can prove there was an intent to kill.


I guarantee you if I tried to shoot a cop and I missed I would be charged with attempted murder.
Sep 26 2014 1:57AM
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Laurent.
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CONAIR_BUSCEMINot only did he shoot off multiple shots when the guys hands were up but he was near gas pumps.


In contrary to popular believe gasoline doesn't not magically ignite when faced with an oncoming hot speeding bullet, that is Michael Bay's reality, one that only exists on 70 foot IMAX screens.
Sep 26 2014 5:49AM
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Rafiki
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Michael Brown (Ferguson), John Crawford III (recent wal mart shooting), Johnathon Ferrell (NC driver)

u mad i stay up on my news?
Sep 26 2014 6:12AM
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soulskier
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You would think officers in "good" shootings would somehow be sent on their way/forced to retire

having previously been in a shooting, I would bet he has a hair trigger as a result and that might have contributed to his over reaction


This while thing sucks for all involved
Sep 26 2014 8:34AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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omnidataIn contrary to popular believe gasoline doesn't not magically ignite when faced with an oncoming hot speeding bullet, that is Michael Bay's reality, one that only exists on 70 foot IMAX screens.


Except a bullet can hit another piece of metal and cause a spark which can ignite gasoline.Not saying its probably, but it can happen.
Sep 26 2014 8:51AM
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Bagels
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This is why we need a robot police force.
Sep 26 2014 9:44AM
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Laurent.
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Granite_StateExcept a bullet can hit another piece of metal and cause a spark which can ignite gasoline.Not saying its probably, but it can happen.


Try to light petrol with a spark. It's damn near impossible. Same as with cigarettes.
Sep 26 2014 11:19AM
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RubberSoul
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Barefootin_Fiendoh, so now we're playing the "could have" game? so the perp just as easily "could have" been reaching for a gun to shoot the cop. the perp "could have" been reaching for a gecko to announce that he just saved 15% on his car insurance by switching to Geico. well, maybe not that one because we all know black people don't have insurance. (joke, relax.)

blah, blah, blah. whatever. you're free to think what you want because ultimately it means jack fuck all either way.


cops shoot to hit center mass and kill. saying that "a cop shooting at a person from 10 feet out COULD HAVE resulted in his death" is not some crazy "could have" game as you accuse. get real, you can't really not understand how shitty a response that is

yeah, blah blah blah whatever, you are entitled to have your opinion but it's pretty clear you don't have anything to back it up
Sep 26 2014 11:23AM
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ABdrummer
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OREOPRAHDo cops have to pass an iq test to get the job?


Sep 26 2014 11:51AM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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Barefootin_FiendShould the cop be fired? Absolutely. Do I feel he should be facing 20 years in prison for this mistake? No, I don't really think I do.
RubberSouleven if he got the max sentence. not that i think he should. that's a super long time.


I didn't see this post of yours earlier. So what exactly are you trying to convince me of?
Sep 26 2014 1:23PM
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DanielPlainview
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cop deserves a lot of jail time in my opinion. I mean he has all those tools and all that training to restrain the victim. He immediately assumed that the man was grabbing a gun. If the cop wanted him to remain still and not make a sudden movement then he should have said so, instead he shoots him. lucky the kids alive jesus christ
Sep 26 2014 2:38PM
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ty.urlich
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cornholioPlaying devils advocate a little here but -

Why didn't the guy have his wallet on him? He pulled up to a convenience store, got out of his car and started to close the door. At that point where is he going without a wallet? Is it that unreasonable to think maybe he was diving back into the car for a weapon?


Im pretty sure that he only pulled into the convenience store because the cop was pulling him over
Sep 26 2014 4:06PM
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RubberSoul
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Barefootin_FiendI didn't see this post of yours earlier. So what exactly are you trying to convince me of?


i took "facing 20 years in prison" as "being charged as he is" because that's what the structure of the charge is. i just couldn't picture you saying that in another situation.

doesn't matter. have a great weekend everyone!
Sep 26 2014 7:15PM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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RubberSouli took "facing 20 years in prison" as "being charged as he is" because that's what the structure of the charge is. i just couldn't picture you saying that in another situation.

doesn't matter. have a great weekend everyone!


i mean, i'm no lawyer or anything, so i can't say much about the charges themselves. i honestly don't even know what exactly he's being charged with. i just think 20 years is a really long fucking time for an honest mistake. too long, imho.

from what i understand, some states have varying degrees of assault with varying degrees of punishment, but i don't know much more about them than that. if that's the case here, then maybe a lesser degree of assault would be more appropriate, but what do i know. i'll leave that shit to the lawyers.

realistically, i'd like to think that either way he won't do 20 years, so kind of a moot point.
Sep 26 2014 7:55PM
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DanielPlainview
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Barefootin_Fiendi mean, i'm no lawyer or anything, so i can't say much about the charges themselves. i honestly don't even know what exactly he's being charged with. i just think 20 years is a really long fucking time for an honest mistake. too long, imho.

from what i understand, some states have varying degrees of assault with varying degrees of punishment, but i don't know much more about them than that. if that's the case here, then maybe a lesser degree of assault would be more appropriate, but what do i know. i'll leave that shit to the lawyers.

realistically, i'd like to think that either way he won't do 20 years, so kind of a moot point.


An honest mistake or not he still fired a fucking bullet a human without seeing a gun. I mean hes a police officer, thats not the kind of job where "honest mistakes" like that should be tolerated whatsoever. This officer went from asking the standard "Can I see your I.D."? to shooting the man. there was no "Put your hands on your head!". He should get some significant time.
Sep 27 2014 2:24AM
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Utard
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RafikiMichael Brown (Ferguson), John Crawford III (recent wal mart shooting), Johnathon Ferrell (NC driver)

u mad i stay up on my news?


There was also the guy at the Michael Brown protest in St. Louis and just the other day here in Utah a black kid named Darrien Hunt was shot in the back in Saratoga Springs while cosplaying as a character from Samurai Champloo
Sep 27 2014 2:56PM
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Titus69
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"you dove back in your car" fucking retarded, his legs were still on the ground and he was leaning over. Cops these days are fucking nuts #fuckdapolice #nojusticefordapigs
Sep 27 2014 3:11PM
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Drail
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Granite_StateWhen I drive my wallet is in a cubby below my radio, not in my back pocket...Makes for easy access going through drive-thru's, tolls, and even traffic stops...


I keep mine in the storage area on the drivers door. Who sits on their wallet while driving? Shit's uncomfortable.
Sep 27 2014 5:06PM
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Drail
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Granite_StateWhen I drive my wallet is in a cubby below my radio, not in my back pocket...Makes for easy access going through drive-thru's, tolls, and even traffic stops...


I keep mine in the storage area on the drivers door. Who sits on their wallet while driving? Shit's uncomfortable.
Sep 27 2014 5:06PM
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Drail
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cornholioif you went to a gas station or convenience store would you pick it up before you got out of the car to go inside and buy something?


maybe all you need is your debt card, and it currently wasn't in your wallet. Maybe you just forgot that your wallet wasn't in your pocket. There are many scenarios that could have been going on at the time as to why he didn't have his wallet on his person... just accept the fact and move on. Putting blame on buddy because he didn't have his wallet on his person is asinine.
Sep 27 2014 5:11PM
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Drail
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omnidataTry to light petrol with a spark. It's damn near impossible. Same as with cigarettes.


It's true. Part of my job involves using saws and half the time I am smoking a cigarette while gassing up the saw. If my smoke were to fall in the jerry can it would more often than not just extinguish the cigarette, not light the gas on fire.

Also - gas doesn't just explode like on the movies, it just burns. I've personally seen people light a gas tank of a car on fire and watched it burn for almost an hour before the fire truck showed up. Sure, by that time the car was fully on fire, but gas doesn't act as an explosive.

an empty gas tank with more fumes/vapour and oxygen than actual liquid gas might have the chance of rapid expansion when ignited to cause some sort of explosion (or at least act as a flame thrower of sorts), but I wouldn't put any money on it.
Sep 27 2014 5:22PM
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Toaster-Tony
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When the fuck can improper training or procedure be blamed for incidents like this? If the cop would have just told him to remain calm and stay put, he would have been able to approach the suspect and actually have a conversation with him instead of hopping out of his car, screaming conflicting orders, and shooting an innocent man.

Too many times do these videos show the cops giving unclear orders and immediately jumping to conclusions when the suspect does't comply to one of them. I'm just happy that this cop actually was on trial for this and could possibly serve the time for the crime he committed, just as any civilian would.
Sep 27 2014 5:58PM
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