Censoring history

theabortionatorIf somebody nuked Chicago do you think the American people would say well shit, you got us, lets be friends now?

loganschnurPakistan and India, as civilized because they judgement is clouded by religion).

zzzskizzzYou really think we would have just signed a peace treaty, stopped fighting and then another war wouldn't come from that? Come on man we gave them the chance to surrender after dropping one bomb and they still said no we want to keep fighting. that in itself shows you that they wouldn't have been peaceful they had other plans, and it took the use of two nuclear weapons to realize they needed to stop. I don't regret anything in that situation on my country's behalf. you're throwing around a lot of hypotheticals.

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People are so fucked on this subject. It doesn't matter if they would have surrendered or not. We don't surrender but should somebody drop nukes on our cities? It's also ironic that we're the police of who can have nuclear technology considering we're the ones who killed all those people with nukes.

People are not always going to agree, but you can't just nuke everyone that doesn't agree with you. It's insane to me how easily we justify this. "Well they wouldn't surrender" WHO CARES. Killing civilians civilians on that scale because their country wouldn't surrender is insane.

It disgusts me to hear people say stuff like that. I understand that's how good old 'Murca feels on the subject but to me it's messed up.

If somebody nuked Chicago do you think the American people would say well shit, you got us, lets be friends now?

Idk. I just think our perspective is messed up. How can we so easily justify the deaths of a couple hundred thousand civilians. It's like it was nothing, like we blew up an ant colony or something. We didn't even do anything wrong, just business as usual. A bunch of dead women and children? No worries, Japan was bad, they were all bad so fuck em = sweet.

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zzzskizzzI don't think we're ever going to agree on this point. but even Japan dosen't hold it against us they understood why we did it, and they now know they were on the wrong side of that war. unlike Cuba we won't even talk to because they pointed missiles at us 30 years ago they didn't even shoot it.

zzzskizzzI know what the Bay of Pigs is, you also left out the amount of times we tried to assassinate the leader of the country. Cuba pointed the nuclear missiles at us doesn't matter where the made in stamp came from or who ordered it. Yet we still have an embargo from the cold war with Cuba and didn't have one with cccp.

zzzskizzzCuba pointed the nuclear missiles at us doesn't matter where the made in stamp came from or who ordered it. Yet we still have an embargo from the cold war with Cuba and didn't have one with cccp.

Gods_Fatherthat's basically a statement outlining the brainwashed mentality that I just referred to.
you "pointed missiles" at another country, then that country retaliated by "pointing missiles" at you.....how is that an outrage to you lol??? you are upset that a country pointed missiles at you? you point missiles at countries too though, and in this case you pointed them first lol that is hypocrisy. when missiles are pointed at you it is a scary act of terrorism, but there is no problem when you are doing the missile pointing. the soviets offered to get rid of all missiles if America would do the same, BUT AMERICA TYRANNICALLY REJECTED THAT OFFER! how could you even have a problem with cuba when you acknowledge that your country tried to instill regime change so that you could determine the interests of the Cuban citizens to suit your agenda.
oh, an embargo....that's just economic warfare against a country lol!

zzzskizzzYou're missing the point as usaual, that post isn't about Cuba and if it was good or bad. It was about japan, and before this turns into a six page back and forth I'll end it there.

Gods_Fatheryou're so full of shit LOL!!!

"Japan dosen't hold it against us they understood why we did it, and they now know they were on the wrong side of that war. unlike Cuba we won't even talk to because they pointed missiles at us 30 years ago."

you're 100% insinuating that cuba was in the wrong for "pointing missiles" at you and not admitting to being "on the wrong side of that war"(also insinuating that you were on the right side), when the reality is that YOU were in the wrong. you even admitted to this yourself by acknowledging the bay of pigs...jesus fuck.

loganschnurBut does Cuba really supply anything other than immigrants and cigars?

zzzskizzzI had no idea I was alive back then, that's what America thinks which is why I didn't write the law to put an embargo on Cuba, and thats what Japan thinks. which is why they have a memorial set up so they remember the tragedies of why the bomb was dropped and so it could never happen again. Its not a memorial to remember how America attacked them.

zzzskizzzfirst off we would shoot down any bomb before It got 500 miles with in our cost, but i know that's not the point you were trying to make. I think that countries either need to be stronger than their government or the people controlling it if they really are doing something heinous, and the rest of the world doesn't agree with them. Or they can be stronger than both of those and bully the rest of the world. in some parts of the Middle East I really wouldn't have a problem dropping a nuclear bomb, the people and government have shown they're week and they can't take care of themselves. they are at a crucial point in history where they either need to stand up and fight or die out and let these new groups take over. life is unfair if you can't control a radical terrorist group within your borders I don't think it's the end of the world if you get wiped off the map. another random point, but I'll throw it out there. If you ask any president what what keeps him up at night he will say Pakistan. the fact that radical religious people with no regards for their own life, because they believe in an afterlife that is better than there "real life". they have nuclear weapons and don't fear death, could very well be the end of humanity.

I don't think we're ever going to agree on this point. but even Japan dosen't hold it against us they understood why we did it, and they now know they were on the wrong side of that war. unlike Cuba we won't even talk to because they pointed missiles at us 30 years ago they didn't even shoot it.

zzzskizzzin some parts of the Middle East I really wouldn't have a problem dropping a nuclear bomb, the people and government have shown they're week and they can't take care of themselves.

UtardNope. Japan was trying to surrender for at least a month before Hiroshima, but they had a few diplomatic requests and the US insisted on unconditional surrender so we could rebuild them to be an American puppet. Oh yeah, there's also the fact that the US conducted several more massive air raids against Japan even after they surrendered proper.

Bill.NyeBy the way, the reason the Japanese did finally accept unconditional surrender wasn't because of the atom bomb. It was because they had been trying to negotiate a deal with Russia and Russia let the deal fall through and Russian invaded Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Japanese_War_(1945)

Of course this is America though, so no one in school here learns how the Russians were actually the ones who mostly won WWII.

Bill.NyeBy the way, the reason the Japanese did finally accept unconditional surrender wasn't because of the atom bomb. It was because they had been trying to negotiate a deal with Russia and Russia let the deal fall through and Russian invaded Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Japanese_War_(1945)

Of course this is America though, so no one in school here learns how the Russians were actually the ones who mostly won WWII.

zzzskizzzI was taught about how the Germans moved into Russia in the winter, and it was so cold that nearly wiped them out. that sounds like the main reason we were able to beat the axis power, and it still blows my mind how many people in Russia were killed from World War 2. just out of curiosity can anyone else on this site name an event where more people were killed?

Profahoben_212The mongol conquests? Between 30,000,000 and 40,000,000 deaths.

zzzskizzzthat is an unbelievable amount of death, as in I literally don't believe the amount you said.

Profahoben_212The Russians wouldn't have made it without America and Britain, and America and Britain would not have made it without Russia. It's a bit of a circle there.