What are nice Middle Price Bindings

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FKS and pivots are the same binding, but go with either of those and never look back. your knees with thank you

Sep 15 2014 9:16PM

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also you'll pretty much never need anything above a 12-din binding unless you're seriously hard charging. so pick the cheaper, lower-din option

Sep 15 2014 9:18PM

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treebeardFKS and pivots are the same binding, but go with either of those and never look back. your knees with thank you

Ill defiantly go with the FKS or Pivots thanks for the response treebeard$.

Sep 15 2014 10:17PM

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Almost All of the bindings you posted MSRP for around $400 and are the high end bindings.

I am confused by this thread.

Sep 15 2014 11:06PM

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If your lookin for cheaper bindings that work really well get the attack 13's. They are great bindings.

Sep 15 2014 11:59PM

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Profahoben_212Almost All of the bindings you posted MSRP for around $400 and are the high end bindings.

I am confused by this thread.

search around a bit and you shouldn't have any trouble finding FKS or Pivots for about $260

Sep 16 2014 1:04AM

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treebeardFKS and pivots are the same binding, but go with either of those and never look back. your knees with thank you

No your knees will not thank you if you buy FKS bindings when they're not the right binding for you. Also the pivoting heel on the FKS/Pivot's which is what makes a lot of people believe they're a safer binding does not provide any additional degree of release like you get with Knee Bindings. The pivoting heel doesn't provide any extra safety.

Sep 16 2014 3:47AM

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Any attack 13 will be great; tyrolia, head, fischer, 4FRNT, etc. Tyrolia contracts out to a bunch of other companies.

Sep 16 2014 7:36AM

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http://www.evo.com/alpine-ski-bindings/fischer-attack-13.aspx#image=78826/362638/clone.jpg&select=true&utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&utm_campaign=EB-78826-1003

http://www.the-house.com/ty1at131514zz-head-ski-bindings.html?gclid=CNmnlr_V5cACFc1i7AodjWcAbw

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Sep 16 2014 7:49AM

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Did you find a pair of those tye dye 4frnt g8ful deadbolts? I want some bad

Sep 16 2014 9:05AM

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treebeardsearch around a bit and you shouldn't have any trouble finding FKS or Pivots for about $260

Yes I realize, but what bindings other than techs do you have to search for a sale for to find at $400?

Sep 16 2014 9:07AM

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NegromancerNo your knees will not thank you if you buy FKS bindings when they're not the right binding for you. Also the pivoting heel on the FKS/Pivot's which is what makes a lot of people believe they're a safer binding does not provide any additional degree of release like you get with Knee Bindings. The pivoting heel doesn't provide any extra safety.

you're a fucking idiot. "when they're not the right binding for you" what the fuck does that even mean? these are a park-specific binding like he asked for.

also: "The heelpiece rotates directly under the tibia to provide consistent release in twisting falls, and the toe and heel have the most elastic travel on the market, which means that DIN can be set lower without risking premature release, so your skis will stay on and come off only when they should, letting you ski harder and safer."

lol no safer my ass. get the fuck real and get out of this thread

Sep 16 2014 10:36AM

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NegromancerNo your knees will not thank you if you buy FKS bindings when they're not the right binding for you. Also the pivoting heel on the FKS/Pivot's which is what makes a lot of people believe they're a safer binding does not provide any additional degree of release like you get with Knee Bindings. The pivoting heel doesn't provide any extra safety.

you're a grade A dipshit.

Sep 16 2014 10:52AM

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treebeardyou're a fucking idiot. "when they're not the right binding for you" what the fuck does that even mean? these are a park-specific binding like he asked for.

also: "The heelpiece rotates directly under the tibia to provide consistent release in twisting falls, and the toe and heel have the most elastic travel on the market, which means that DIN can be set lower without risking premature release, so your skis will stay on and come off only when they should, letting you ski harder and safer."

lol no safer my ass. get the fuck real and get out of this thread

There is no substantial evidence that proves that the FKS is safer than any other binding out there. The only binding known to be safer is indeed the knee binding.

When he said "not the right binding for you", I am assuming that he was talking about the din being too high. Which it might be for the 14, and there is a 95% chance it is for the 18's.

There is no such thing as a park specific binding, and FKS were originally a race binding. Also they definitely are not the best for park, due to the fact that when you snap the brakes, a new set of brakes cost around $125. That amount of money is no good when landing switch often, because breaks will be broken.

I don't understand why you are so angry, plus you are wrong.

Out of those bindings OP I would suggest the Deadbolts. But also look at the STH2 13 and the Attack 13.

Sep 16 2014 11:43AM

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Profahoben_212There is no such thing as a park specific binding, and FKS were originally a race binding.

They were designed as a ski binding. Whether youre racing riding park or dropping cliffs the tables are meant to do the same thing, avoid strain from twisting falls. Theres no scientific evidence because you cant run a study on 100 people and tell them all to tear their acls on two different sets of bindings.

Sep 16 2014 1:02PM

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dbchiliThey were designed as a ski binding. Whether youre racing riding park or dropping cliffs the tables are meant to do the same thing, avoid strain from twisting falls. Theres no scientific evidence because you cant run a study on 100 people and tell them all to tear their acls on two different sets of bindings.

The technology exists, I'm sure some data could be collected from testing equipment like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORvpLjlx8Uk

Sep 16 2014 2:31PM

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OP, why not take a look at the fks 120 as well.

Sep 16 2014 3:06PM

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[nick]The technology exists, I'm sure some data could be collected from testing equipment like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORvpLjlx8Uk

Find the average strength needed to tear an acl, and then run the bindings through a series of tests and see what bindings hit that number most. Force them to release at different angles etc.

it could be done.

^^very good point. ALL bindings are just bindings (minus AT). But some are more geared towards free skiing than others. I simply would not suggest FKS because their brakes are very expensive compared to their competitor bomber bindings.

Sep 16 2014 3:19PM

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Both the rossignol axial 2 and 3 are great bindings for the price (loads of bang fo yo buck). If you're looking to throw a couple stacks go with the fks or pivots, they're the most rugged and some of the safest bindings that you can buy. They're a solid $200 more than axials though, so unless you have a killer deal they're not exactly the most cost effective.

Sep 16 2014 5:21PM

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rossignol is making an fks in a 12 din setting. its 250 bucks. if you don't charge really hard and/or weigh a lot you should be fine with those. Fks/pivot or the safest binders on the market imo. When you pop out its really clean and smooth. The pivoting heal saves your knee ligaments. Do yourself a favor and get any of the fks/pivot bindings

Sep 16 2014 7:16PM

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Profahoben_212There is no substantial evidence that proves that the FKS is safer than any other binding out there. The only binding known to be safer is indeed the knee binding.

When he said "not the right binding for you", I am assuming that he was talking about the din being too high. Which it might be for the 14, and there is a 95% chance it is for the 18's.

There is no such thing as a park specific binding, and FKS were originally a race binding. Also they definitely are not the best for park, due to the fact that when you snap the brakes, a new set of brakes cost around $125. That amount of money is no good when landing switch often, because breaks will be broken.

I don't understand why you are so angry, plus you are wrong.

Out of those bindings OP I would suggest the Deadbolts. But also look at the STH2 13 and the Attack 13.

Thank you this guy knows what's up.

Treebeard you're a fucking retarded shit cunt who obviously knows fuck all.

Firstly FKS are not park bindings. They were designed as race bindings in the 90's.
Secondly find me one piece of information or article NOT from Rossignol or Look that actually proves that the rotating heel provides extra safety.
Thirdly you shouldn't recommend pretty much the highest DIN bindings on the market to someone when you don't even know they're weight, height and ability. What happens if OP is like 160cm tall and 50Kg. He there is absolutely no need for someone of that size to buy FKS.

Lastly FKS aren't the be all and end all. They have numerous problems such as shitty brakes which are hard to replace and expensive, they are druable but they have quite a bit of plastic that breaks such as the base plate nad lastly they aren't adjustable at all compared to other bindings.

Sep 16 2014 8:34PM

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Dude i found you and i found this thread randomly. But look into the Rossignol Axium Bindings. Theyre sweet and not expensive like the 150-200 dollar price range. I have them for my skis theyre great.!!!!!

Sep 16 2014 8:54PM

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GrumpisPringleFks/pivot or the safest binders on the market imo. When you pop out its really clean and smooth. The pivoting heal saves your knee ligaments.

Of all the misconceptions in the binding world, this is probably the biggest. The heel on FKS/Pivot bindings does nothing to prevent knee injury and the Rossignol Group never claims that it does. That the heel prevents knee injury is a conclusion people jump to because it turns. There is no claim nor proof from Rossi that this specifically reduces knee injury.

NegromancerFirstly FKS are not park bindings. They were designed as race bindings in the 90's.

Negromancer is right, plus almost every single "top end" binding comes from racing development because they need to be insanely durable and favor retention rather than release. Whether the binding is meant for park or race usually comes down to what color it's painted. Marker is one exception that comes to mind since the Royal Family of bindings comes from freeride touring, not race.

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NegromancerFirstly FKS are not park bindings. They were designed as race bindings in the 90's.

The FKS is based on Look heel piece technology that at its core has essentially remained uncharged for the past 40 years.

Their claim to fame is elastic travel which allows the DIN to be set lower than you would on a competitor binding without pre-releasing. This is what primarily saves your knees, not the pivot action.

Sep 17 2014 9:20AM

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Sep 17 2014 9:22AM

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[nick]Their claim to fame is elastic travel which allows the DIN to be set lower than you would on a competitor binding without pre-releasing. This is what primarily saves your knees, not the pivot action.

Again, nothing about the binding design is intended nor describes "saving your knees". As your picture points out- their argument goes as follows: more elastic travel = staying in the binding at a lower DIN level & not pre-releasing. Do not confuse "not pre-releasing" with "saving knees". The two points are very separate. All they are trying to argue is that you stay in (not pre-releasing) at a lower DIN.

Sep 17 2014 9:32AM

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