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how baggy do you want it? i bought mine in an xxl hoping it would go to my knees. it goes to like my mid thigh and almost touches my knee. im 6'1 and a bean pole lol. if you want baggy go with xl, if you want regular go with large. heres me in my xxl for reference....dont judge lol
a_shaky_gifhow baggy do you want it? i bought mine in an xxl hoping it would go to my knees. it goes to like my mid thigh and almost touches my knee. im 6'1 and a bean pole lol. if you want baggy go with xl, if you want regular go with large. heres me in my xxl for reference....dont judge lol
How heavy I it? How does it compare to a ogre shell from a big brand? I like the look of it but I'm worried it's not quite tech enough. How is the build in general. If you had to compare it to say arcterxy how does it stack up?
tomPietrowskiHow heavy I it? How does it compare to a ogre shell from a big brand? I like the look of it but I'm worried it's not quite tech enough. How is the build in general. If you had to compare it to say arcterxy how does it stack up?
i actually have a thick arteryx coat and a north face shell. theres not insulation in this and it is pretty light. my north face is a pure shell where as my arcteryx is an actual insulated coat. the arcteryx is about 3x as heavy but not nearly as water proof. this would have to be some where inbetween the two coats i mentioned. i havent used it much as i bought it end of this season, but everything is really squared away and seems super durable and heavy duty (especially the zippers). everything is tight and exteremely water proof. and like i said havent had a chance to put it through its paces in cold weather, but it i dont think it will keep me as warm as my insulated arcteryx.
a_shaky_gifi actually have a thick arteryx coat and a north face shell. theres not insulation in this and it is pretty light. my north face is a pure shell where as my arcteryx is an actual insulated coat. the arcteryx is about 3x as heavy but not nearly as water proof. this would have to be some where inbetween the two coats i mentioned. i havent used it much as i bought it end of this season, but everything is really squared away and seems super durable and heavy duty (especially the zippers). everything is tight and exteremely water proof. and like i said havent had a chance to put it through its paces in cold weather, but it i dont think it will keep me as warm as my insulated arcteryx.
So compared to your north face shell how for it compare? What kind of level shell is it? I obviously am not looking for warmth from a shell I just want to know weather it's worth the money or if I would be better spendin slightly more on a more trusted product.
tomPietrowskiSo compared to your north face shell how for it compare? What kind of level shell is it? I obviously am not looking for warmth from a shell I just want to know weather it's worth the money or if I would be better spendin slightly more on a more trusted product.
between the monarch and the northface its no contest. the monarch has it beat performance wise, but i like the features of the northface better. my favorite is how the northface has a felt/soft piece of cloth on a stretchy piece of fabric ( a goggle wipe) and that has come in handy so many times its not funny. the northface is really light but just doesnt keep me all that dry on those days with wet snow. the saga on the other hand repels water like a rain jacket. so overall i would go witht the saga 3l. note. i did get the north face for like 115$ and the saga was on a closeout sale of 150$
a_shaky_gifbetween the monarch and the northface its no contest. the monarch has it beat performance wise, but i like the features of the northface better. my favorite is how the northface has a felt/soft piece of cloth on a stretchy piece of fabric ( a goggle wipe) and that has come in handy so many times its not funny. the northface is really light but just doesnt keep me all that dry on those days with wet snow. the saga on the other hand repels water like a rain jacket. so overall i would go witht the saga 3l. note. i did get the north face for like 115$ and the saga was on a closeout sale of 150$
Sorry so is the north face not a skiing shell? I was hopping someone can compare it to a good quality skiing shell. Can anyone help?
tomPietrowskiSorry so is the north face not a skiing shell? I was hopping someone can compare it to a good quality skiing shell. Can anyone help?
oh its definately a skiing shell. it has a powder skirt, goggle wipe, hood, pockets all over, draw strings, little netting pockets, ect. its more of a mid grade type. it doesnt say the model or anything on the jacket. its not some ghetto little wind breaker but its not a 500$ shell.
Oh ok. It was just you said that it does not keep you dry. That is pretty much the reason to get a shell so I figured it was just a rain jacket which wa resilient but not water proof. So say the north face was waterproof which woul you buy?
ok so the one i wear is decently water proof, it just gets soaked after a while. but if the northface was waterproof, and bought a regular size it would be a dang near toss up... but i would have to go with northface tho.
a_shaky_gifok so the one i wear is decently water proof, it just gets soaked after a while. but if the northface was waterproof, and bought a regular size it would be a dang near toss up... but i would have to go with northface tho.
Awsome thanks for the info. It's hard to get decent reviews of these smallet brands so I always like to try and find out all I can. Thanks.
Also for your north face give it a clean an reproof. It sounds like I has just Los the dwr coating so is wetting out. When a fabric wets out it loses all breath ability so if you are noticing your damp when it wets out it probably sweet. If you reprogram it with niK wax or grangers ect you should find the jacket performs really well again.
tomPietrowskiAlso for your north face give it a clean an reproof. It sounds like I has just Los the dwr coating so is wetting out. When a fabric wets out it loses all breath ability so if you are noticing your damp when it wets out it probably sweet. If you reprogram it with niK wax or grangers ect you should find the jacket performs really well again.
ok sweet! ya used it almost everyday last season so its probly due for that.
What other brands besides saga and armada have cool steezy jackets any underground companies i haven't heard of cause those two are really the only ones i can think of that are not snowboard brands
BillnyeWhat other brands besides saga and armada have cool steezy jackets any underground companies i haven't heard of cause those two are really the only ones i can think of that are not snowboard brands
Does it have to be an underground company or an it be a decent big brand. I like the salomon fit alon with some Patagonia, arcterxy and some of the north face. Best thing to do is go try a load on and see what you like. Then decide how much you want to spend and then decide what you want from the jacket. If you want a super tech shell but only have $300 you won't have many options so decide what you can afford an want and look it ask here for something that will work.
Its not really the tech of it more of the style. I'm really just looking for a steezy jacket. Saga offers that but there so expensive and i cant seem to find any other companies
Keep searching, there are so many 'steezy' non-tech jackets available for fk all money.
bloom outerwear sales
saga's old stock
armada old stock or lower end new gear
ini cooperative
philpark
virtika
lethal descent
etc
BillnyeIts not really the tech of it more of the style. I'm really just looking for a steezy jacket. Saga offers that but there so expensive and i cant seem to find any other companies
a_shaky_gifhow baggy do you want it? i bought mine in an xxl hoping it would go to my knees. it goes to like my mid thigh and almost touches my knee. im 6'1 and a bean pole lol. if you want baggy go with xl, if you want regular go with large. heres me in my xxl for reference....dont judge lol
tomPietrowskiHow heavy I it? How does it compare to a ogre shell from a big brand? I like the look of it but I'm worried it's not quite tech enough. How is the build in general. If you had to compare it to say arcterxy how does it stack up?
While I don't own an arcteryx or patagonia shell, but i've tried them on a million times. Also my gf also patagonia goretex pro jacket and pants. I was convinced that was what I was going to buy, but then I was able to get monarch jacket and pants for 50% off, so it was a no brainer. So keep that in mind.
This is last years monarch btw
- Arcteryx and patagonia goretex and goretex pro stuff is much lighter in terms of weight.
- I can't comment on performance, but the monarch stuff is pretty good. It's kept me dry in wet conditions. I can't comment on the breathability of the monarch stuff though I've heard it's not up w/ goretex pro. But then again, goretex pro is on $500+ jackets.
- The build quality is good. I've put about 25-30 days on mine. No issues so far.
- Features are OK. The front pockets lower pockets are way too small for my liking. I like to stuff my mitts or food in there and it's a tight squeeze.
- My biggest gripe is the patterns used to sew it up. The jacket does not articulate well compared to an arcteryx shell. On an arcteryx shell, you can move our arms around and the shoulders pretty much stay in place and don't feel restricted what so ever. On the monarch stuff it feels restrictive at times. It's not horrible by any means, but when compared to, imo, the best shell you can buy, there is a noticeable difference.
I_liketobutterWhile I don't own an arcteryx or patagonia shell, but i've tried them on a million times. Also my gf also patagonia goretex pro jacket and pants. I was convinced that was what I was going to buy, but then I was able to get monarch jacket and pants for 50% off, so it was a no brainer. So keep that in mind.
This is last years monarch btw
- Arcteryx and patagonia goretex and goretex pro stuff is much lighter in terms of weight.
- I can't comment on performance, but the monarch stuff is pretty good. It's kept me dry in wet conditions. I can't comment on the breathability of the monarch stuff though I've heard it's not up w/ goretex pro. But then again, goretex pro is on $500+ jackets.
- The build quality is good. I've put about 25-30 days on mine. No issues so far.
- Features are OK. The front pockets lower pockets are way too small for my liking. I like to stuff my mitts or food in there and it's a tight squeeze.
- My biggest gripe is the patterns used to sew it up. The jacket does not articulate well compared to an arcteryx shell. On an arcteryx shell, you can move our arms around and the shoulders pretty much stay in place and don't feel restricted what so ever. On the monarch stuff it feels restrictive at times. It's not horrible by any means, but when compared to, imo, the best shell you can buy, there is a noticeable difference.
Let me know if you have any quesitons
Awsome thanks man.
Weight is is a bi issue for me. I'm hoping to tour a lot this season so being able to stash a light jacket is a big plus.
The he novment is interesting. I always hear the arcterxy reps going in about a mivment based fit and I know salomon and I presume a few more do it. I have never really thought about it as with it being easy to move in you never really think about it.
i would still like to try the monarch as I like the look of this years but maybe more as a secondary resort an off hill jacket.
Weight is is a bi issue for me. I'm hoping to tour a lot this season so being able to stash a light jacket is a big plus.
The he novment is interesting. I always hear the arcterxy reps going in about a mivment based fit and I know salomon and I presume a few more do it. I have never really thought about it as with it being easy to move in you never really think about it.
i would still like to try the monarch as I like the look of this years but maybe more as a secondary resort an off hill jacket.
Thanks.
The material definitely feels "sturdy". It feels thicker and is stiffer than goretex pro.
I thought the same thing about movement. I always heard the reps talking about it but never really knew what they meant until I tried one on.
I'm more than happy with the monarch shell as my jacket for this year and maybe the next, but I'll still be buying an arcteryx shell somewhere down the road.
I_liketobutterThe material definitely feels "sturdy". It feels thicker and is stiffer than goretex pro.
This is why I returned my Monarch. Even though the jacket may not have weighed more than some of my other shells, it just felt a little too constricting with the stiff fabric. That movement based fit issue also had a part in it now that it's been brought up.
