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saskskier
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So I've been looking for a smaller ski for everyday conditions (my current one ski quiver is 194 Surface New Lifes). Looking for something around 100-110mm underfoot and between 180-190.

I found a new pair of 186 Jeronimo's for $389 (shipping included). I think that's a pretty decent deal. My biggest question is are they relatively stiff? I'm 6'4 and between 270-280 and want something I'm not going to completely overpower.

Yay? Nay?
Aug 7 2014 11:19AM
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Scotty_Boy
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They're pretty stiff if you ask me, I've seen some people say otherwise though.
Aug 7 2014 12:45PM
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tomPietrowski
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They will be very soft for you. I have the 186 and they are soft for me and I only weigh 165. At speed I find them a little unstable an they flap so you weighing over 100lbs more will find them way too soft I would think. Which skis have you used I the past that you like the flex of. That will help us advise and recomend some appropriate skis.
Aug 7 2014 4:22PM
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saskskier
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Interesting. Some say stiff and others soft (from reading advise from beyond this thread).

I've currently got 194 Surface New Life's, which I love. They are just too big for daily use.

Prior to those I had 189 Surface Live Life 2's (first generation with 3-stage rocker). Also really liked those, but skied really short due to the abrupt rocker.

Prior to those I had first gen. 179 K2 Fujatives (the red one's). Probably one of the softest skis ever made. I was closer to 200 back then (around 10 years ago), but they were super fun to butter and mess around with.

I'm not necessarily a super hard charging skier. I am definitely not hard on skis (despite being a big guy). I don't spend a lot of time in the park and almost never rails. That said, I love skiing switch and just generally messing around all over the mountain, popping off stuff and doing the odd spin (nothing over 5's)when I can.

I also found out that the skis are not new. They were demo's, but only went out once and the toe piece of the demo bindings broke. Took all season to get a replacement so they didn't go back out again. The skis are $300 and he will mount new 4frnt Attack 16's for an extra $150, so basically new skis and new 16 din bindings for $450.
Aug 7 2014 4:37PM
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BWalmer
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I don't think you're going to over power them, they charge pretty hard.
Aug 7 2014 5:02PM
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iggyskier
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tomPietrowskiThey will be very soft for you. I have the 186 and they are soft for me and I only weigh 165. At speed I find them a little unstable an they flap so you weighing over 100lbs more will find them way too soft I would think. Which skis have you used I the past that you like the flex of. That will help us advise and recomend some appropriate skis.


For what it is worth, you got a pair with a season of demo use and are definitely in the minority about thinking they are super soft.

I would describe them as medium-stiff relative to comparable skis, and I think most would agree. You could also just ski a lot harder than most. I weight more than you and don't consider myself a bad skier and have never been uncomfortable at speed on either the 181 or 186 jmo.

As for the OP, you are on the heavier side so I don't think there would be a disadvantage at looking at something wider and a bit stiffer. If you had come to ON3P looking for a ski, I would have suggested the 186 Jeffrey over the Jmo as they have more stiffness and width underfoot. Compared to skis in their length and waist range, the 186cm Jmo is going to be as or more stable than most. I can't think of any skis that are ~186cm, ~100mm underfoot, rockered tip and tail, and jib oriented that are going to be more stable.

My biased 2 cents anyway...
Aug 7 2014 5:02PM
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saskskier
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Thanks iggy. I was hoping you you would reply and gave me pretty much exactly what I was hoping to hear. I think I'm probably going to jump on this as it's going to be a pretty tough deal to beat.

Thanks everyone! +k for all (because everyone likes internet points)
Aug 7 2014 5:11PM
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iggyskier
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saskskierThanks iggy. I was hoping you you would reply and gave me pretty much exactly what I was hoping to hear. I think I'm probably going to jump on this as it's going to be a pretty tough deal to beat.

Thanks everyone! +k for all (because everyone likes internet points)


No worries. If you have any other questions just give the factory a call - 503-206-5909 - or shoot me a email.
Aug 7 2014 5:20PM
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tomPietrowski
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iggyskierFor what it is worth, you got a pair with a season of demo use and are definitely in the minority about thinking they are super soft.

I would describe them as medium-stiff relative to comparable skis, and I think most would agree. You could also just ski a lot harder than most. I weight more than you and don't consider myself a bad skier and have never been uncomfortable at speed on either the 181 or 186 jmo.

As for the OP, you are on the heavier side so I don't think there would be a disadvantage at looking at something wider and a bit stiffer. If you had come to ON3P looking for a ski, I would have suggested the 186 Jeffrey over the Jmo as they have more stiffness and width underfoot. Compared to skis in their length and waist range, the 186cm Jmo is going to be as or more stable than most. I can't think of any skis that are ~186cm, ~100mm underfoot, rockered tip and tail, and jib oriented that are going to be more stable.

My biased 2 cents anyway...


I guess it's all relative to what you are used too. Personally I would say a gs ski is a stiff ski so when im buying a mid stiff ski I expect a ski which is a bit softer overall then a race ski so like a stiffer arv ti. Obviously that is not what the jmo is and that is always the issue buying blind. But for people who ski afterbangs or travelling circus style skis (both of which I can not ride at all as they are silly soft for me) then the jmo would be considered mid stiff. So it all depends what else you ski and what you consider stiff.
Aug 7 2014 5:42PM
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iggyskier
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tomPietrowskiI guess it's all relative to what you are used too. Personally I would say a gs ski is a stiff ski so when im buying a mid stiff ski I expect a ski which is a bit softer overall then a race ski so like a stiffer arv ti. Obviously that is not what the jmo is and that is always the issue buying blind. But for people who ski afterbangs or travelling circus style skis (both of which I can not ride at all as they are silly soft for me) then the jmo would be considered mid stiff. So it all depends what else you ski and what you consider stiff.


I agree. It is all relative to what you are used to, which is why it is tough buying skis sight unseen. I guess the lens I view stiffness through is the one I expect our potential customers to be viewing skis through - essentially the stiffness in the scale of freeride skis. Most people looking at ON3P aren't racers nor as they comparing our skis to GS skis, which are obviously going to be stiffer than anything we make. When I talk about stiffness, I am doing so in comparison to other skis in the same niche as the ski I am describing. That won't be true for everyone, so there was always be a bit of variation in people's perception of ski stiffness.
Aug 7 2014 5:48PM
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tomPietrowski
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iggyskierI agree. It is all relative to what you are used to, which is why it is tough buying skis sight unseen. I guess the lens I view stiffness through is the one I expect our potential customers to be viewing skis through - essentially the stiffness in the scale of freeride skis. Most people looking at ON3P aren't racers nor as they comparing our skis to GS skis, which are obviously going to be stiffer than anything we make. When I talk about stiffness, I am doing so in comparison to other skis in the same niche as the ski I am describing. That won't be true for everyone, so there was always be a bit of variation in people's perception of ski stiffness.

Yeah that's the difference then. I think of skis more in a grand scheme not really category dependent. For example I woul love a jmo style ski but just a little softer then a race ski, that thing would rip and be such a fun all mnt ski. So when I hear mid stiff I think perfect but then I get them an they are softer then some atomic woman's beginer skis we had in shop so not exactly what I was expecting. Maybe I'm the rarity in terms of your customer base in that I used to race, as well as compete in slope so I have high expectations of skis. The fact I get to try hundreds a year also gives me a much better idea of stiffness then most skiers who maybe try 1-2 skis a year.

But again I do want to say I really do like th skis I think they shred soft snow and pow amazingly but they were just not what I was expecting so if someone else expects a race ski style hopefully this will help.
Aug 7 2014 6:02PM
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Noha
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I would describe the flex on my Jmo's as 'Snappy'. They can butter great but they also snap out of the butter when your launching. But don't get me wrong, Ive went insanely fast straight-lining through crud and they kill at it.
Aug 7 2014 10:10PM
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TurquoiseGrizzly
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saskskierSo I've been looking for a smaller ski for everyday conditions (my current one ski quiver is 194 Surface New Lifes). Looking for something around 100-110mm underfoot and between 180-190.

I found a new pair of 186 Jeronimo's for $389 (shipping included). I think that's a pretty decent deal. My biggest question is are they relatively stiff? I'm 6'4 and between 270-280 and want something I'm not going to completely overpower.

Yay? Nay?


If you end up not getting them end me the link so I can snag them please and thank you
Aug 8 2014 7:34AM
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saskskier
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GrizzlyBurrIf you end up not getting them end me the link so I can snag them please and thank you


I've told the guy that I am going to take them. Demo jmo's (used once) and brand new Attack 16 bindings, mounted, for $450(cdn) is just too good of a deal to pass up.

That said, if things fall through for some crazy reason, I'll definitely let you know.
Aug 8 2014 10:50AM
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TurquoiseGrizzly
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saskskierI've told the guy that I am going to take them. Demo jmo's (used once) and brand new Attack 16 bindings, mounted, for $450(cdn) is just too good of a deal to pass up.

That said, if things fall through for some crazy reason, I'll definitely let you know.


Yea I have been searchin for some ON3Ps and want some extremely bad so PLEASE let me know but I hope you enjoy them
Aug 8 2014 11:19AM
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Nillion
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Props to the OP. He made me google for Jmo's on sale and I found a new 12/13 pair for $359. Sold.
Aug 8 2014 2:16PM
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maximilliam
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Im been skiing the ON3P Jeronimo's 177 the hole summer, and I love it. the most fun ski I ever skied.

I wouldent say its stiff, softer then my scotts TW. easy to flex and a slow but strong respond then its flexing back. gives you dope pop if you do it right.

Ive been skiing mostly park, slush BC, and some street related stuff on it. I got wider and thinner skis for BC/street but Im every time Ive choose to risk my Jeronimo thats been my park ski when Im gone out. because I love it.

perfect ski for those mad slushy parks. when you struggle to keep your speed up, land and maneuver in the deep slush. a lot of critical turns and lines Ive mad in windells this summer wouldent be possible on a different ski.

In the slush BC its playful as hell, fast short turns, easy to come up on your noses or tails in manuals n butters. stable enough for me fo show.

Ive had it more then twice a long as I usually have skis.

and If you can get your hands on that exclusive handmade quality for cheap...
Aug 8 2014 3:09PM
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TurquoiseGrizzly
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Maximillion smith is filthy nasty dirty. In the best way.
Aug 8 2014 3:13PM
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saskskier
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Now that I've officially paid for my skis and they are on their way, I thought I'd give everyone a heads up on where I got them. I have no idea what they've got left in stock, but they were super helpful and quick to reply to any questions I had.

http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1504750/
Aug 8 2014 8:33PM
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Scotty_Boy
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NillionProps to the OP. He made me google for Jmo's on sale and I found a new 12/13 pair for $359. Sold.


Damn you. That green topsheet is my favorite of all time.
Aug 8 2014 9:06PM
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Nillion
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Scotty_BoyDamn you. That green topsheet is my favorite of all time.


I actually rather dislike the green top sheet. Haha. It seems incongruous with the rest of ON3P's designs from the last 2-3 years. But fuck it, I'm not one to quibble at the price I got them at.
Aug 8 2014 10:02PM
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BWalmer
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NillionI actually rather dislike the green top sheet. Haha. It seems incongruous with the rest of ON3P's designs from the last 2-3 years. But fuck it, I'm not one to quibble at the price I got them at.


When you see it in person, you'll change your mind...there's a ton of intricate details in that top that photo's just don't do justice.
Aug 8 2014 10:07PM
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