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1 CAMERA, 1 LENS, 1 FILM STOCK, 1 YEAR

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TWoods
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Let's post up ideas to get the ball rolling on this. I think this is fucking rad.

Here's the rules I would propose.



1. Use only one camera body, only one lens, only one film stock. Choose wisely (or, you know, roll dice for it) because you HAVE to stick to it for the whole year

2. Start date of January 1.

3. On the last day of each month (Or close to it) we post 5 photos each in a thread. Only 5, to keep the edit tight.

4. The only discussion allowed in the thread is about photos that are posted in the thread. No other discussion will be permitted!

5. Be intentional. Tell a story, or show us something about yourself, or intentionally take crappy snapshots, or develop a theme, or choose an object that appears in every photo. Just be intentional... give your work some consideration. Dive a step deeper than you have before

6. This one is debatable, but I think it's worth including - since we are keeping so much constant, let's also keep constant the processing. Don't run a standard process on one roll, cross process another, and push another 5 stops to see what happens. I think the processing should be a constant too.


To account for developing times, scanning times, etc, I think it would be wise to have the 5 be selected just from photos taken and processed and scanned between the post date and the last time you posted, rather than saying "photos must posted on Jan 31 must be shot between Jan 1 and Jan 31," so we don't miss the chance to post those that might have been shot on Jan 29th. Know what I mean? This would also help those of us that are super busy and might miss a posting deadline, but have some awesome shots from that time period. You don't get extra photos and you still have to post no more than 5 only on the last day of the month.

The reason I don't want to just do a constant stream is that then we will end up with the potential for a huge dump of photos all at once, some may be overlooked, etc. It will just be less organized and less of a discussion as new work might change the conversation away from older shots posted before they have time to be really discussed.



GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHTS M+A
Jul 30 2014 4:18AM
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TWoods
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Also, obviously the rules only apply to this project, I wouldn't insist that everyone involved ONLY shoot this way for a year for all their work.
Jul 30 2014 4:20AM
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Laurent.
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Brb, stocking up on Tri-X.

Also, 1 filter only.
Jul 30 2014 4:50AM
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TijmenDal
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Count me in. Thank god I've got a couple of months to figure out what to go with, because right now I have no idea.
I'm kinda thinking of buying a Leica IIIc with a collapsible 5cm Elmar and just going with that. No lightmeter of course.
Jul 30 2014 5:59AM
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00000000
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Great idea! I'm in.
Jul 30 2014 7:20AM
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123+ski
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This sounds really cool, good way for me to shoot more film.

I think varying the processing could be cool. It would show some of the less experienced shooters the capabilities of different film stocks, but I also understand your hesitation with it. Both could be cool.

Any rules on lighting? No flash, on camera only, 1 flash, or even more? I don't do much flash work, but I know one advantage of having a leaf shutter is the very high shutter sync capability (not sure if wording right), which could be cool to play with.
Jul 30 2014 9:43AM
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TWoods
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p.hawksThis sounds really cool, good way for me to shoot more film.

I think varying the processing could be cool. It would show some of the less experienced shooters the capabilities of different film stocks, but I also understand your hesitation with it. Both could be cool.

Any rules on lighting? No flash, on camera only, 1 flash, or even more? I don't do much flash work, but I know one advantage of having a leaf shutter is the very high shutter sync capability (not sure if wording right), which could be cool to play with.


To me, it seems like the point of using the 1 camera, 1 lens, 1 film stock rule is to standardize everything about a process besides what you point the camera at. It's about setting up a bunch of constraints and seeing how you can be creative within them.

Off camera flash and processing trickery seems like ways to open the options of what you can do back up, which to me seems to not honor the concept, however I could see the spirit of the project in the same way if you said that you were going to only shoot the same thing and have your subject be a constant so that lighting or processing was not, or decided all your photos would be at night with an on-camera flash or something. Could be really cool, and could be a part of the thing that's up to interpretation.


Personally I think I'm going to go with no flash, no processing variance and have my subjects be what varies.
Jul 30 2014 9:57AM
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loganimlach
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I'm in.
Jul 30 2014 11:00AM
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Balto
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lol I like how this is a super common thing on all film forums and something you are told to do on an almost daily basis but seems like no one here as thought to do it before, y'all should really get around more

Different processes are 100% allowed. the entire point of this exercise is to learn a set up and film type inside and out. That means it's weaknesses, strengths, quirks, and ability to be transformed into what ever you want. Different filters are also allowed, as are flashes and any other accessories or tools you want to use. The only stipulation is it HAS to be the same model camera (not the exact same one, you can have 2 both loaded and at different places in a roll, thats fine!) with the same model lens and same film stock, that's it.
Jul 30 2014 11:27AM
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Baltolol I like how this is a super common thing on all film forums and something you are told to do on an almost daily basis but seems like no one here as thought to do it before, y'all should really get around more

Different processes are 100% allowed. the entire point of this exercise is to learn a set up and film type inside and out. That means it's weaknesses, strengths, quirks, and ability to be transformed into what ever you want. Different filters are also allowed, as are flashes and any other accessories or tools you want to use. The only stipulation is it HAS to be the same model camera (not the exact same one, you can have 2 both loaded and at different places in a roll, thats fine!) with the same model lens and same film stock, that's it.


Really? This has been done before? My mind is blown...

Who are you to say what the point of this exercise is? Not only is it not your thread -- it's not up to you to say why people should be participating. I personally don't shoot as much as I'd like to, and this would be good motivation to get out there more often.

**This post was edited on Jul 30th 2014 at 6:02:08pm
Jul 30 2014 11:55AM
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Balto
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MousseauReally? This has been down before? My mind is blown...

Who are you to say what the point of this exercise is? Not only is it not your thread -- it's not up to you to say why people should be participating. I personally don't shoot as much as I'd like to, and this would be good motivation to get out there more often.


Well trevor only made this thread because I posted in the analog thread saying to do this, so swithout me this wouldn't even have come up, so yes I am making the stipulations here since none of you are even familiar with the exercise.
Jul 30 2014 12:01PM
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PacificRimJob
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BaltoWell trevor only made this thread because I posted in the analog thread saying to do this, so swithout me this wouldn't even have come up, so yes I am making the stipulations here since none of you are even familiar with the exercise.

Dude. Get over yourself. You inspired a good idea. Leave it as such. Nobody here is seeing this and thinking, "Wow, what an unprecedented idea this is. Damn, we on NS are such clever bastards."

Hell, anyone in here who took a photography class in high school probably did this inadvertently anyway - in some way or another.



...I'm in.
Jul 30 2014 12:35PM
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PacificRimJob
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And, as a recommendation, in having done similar things to this in the past, go with something that you're comfortable using. I'm probably just going to use a basic SLR and some standard black and white. No frills.
Jul 30 2014 12:41PM
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marius_revere
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sounds fun im in
Jul 30 2014 1:29PM
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TWoods
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Baltolol I like how this is a super common thing on all film forums and something you are told to do on an almost daily basis but seems like no one here as thought to do it before, y'all should really get around more

Different processes are 100% allowed. the entire point of this exercise is to learn a set up and film type inside and out. That means it's weaknesses, strengths, quirks, and ability to be transformed into what ever you want. Different filters are also allowed, as are flashes and any other accessories or tools you want to use. The only stipulation is it HAS to be the same model camera (not the exact same one, you can have 2 both loaded and at different places in a roll, thats fine!) with the same model lens and same film stock, that's it.


I don't read any photo forums, I find them all really boring personally, just not my bag. unless I'm looking for sample images or to learn about gear. I hardly spend the time on NS I used to, but this seems like something fun to do on the forums, so forgive me for not being aware that this is a super common thing.

When you said one body one lens it seemed like a good idea, and honestly placing restrictions upon your process to see what you come up with within the boundaries you set is not something exclusive to photo either, it's a pretty common practice across everything creative. When all I got was 1 body, 1 lens, 1 film, it made sense to me that the point was to standardize everything as much as possible and leave less variables, which generally makes this sort of exercise a lot more interesting (and the participants learn more, usually).

I made the thread just in order to get the ball rolling and discuss it, honestly this is our thing and can be made into whatever we want it to, or we can do it like all the photo forums do it. I just started spitballing ideas that made sense to me.
Jul 30 2014 3:40PM
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Forcillo
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I'm in as long as I can still shoot video and paid shoots with my digi stuff.
Jul 30 2014 3:44PM
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ForeverYung
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I'm down. Not sure if I want to go color or black and white...
Jul 30 2014 3:45PM
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TWoods
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ForcilloI'm in as long as I can still shoot video and paid shoots with my digi stuff.


Yea, I think it goes without saying that this does not mean that for a year you are committing to ONLY shooting one camera, ever. haha.
Jul 30 2014 3:46PM
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Aenomaly
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Awesome idea. Some motivation to use my analog camera more often!
Jul 30 2014 4:08PM
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basedjase
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MousseauReally? This has been down before? My mind is blown...

Who are you to say what the point of this exercise is? Not only is it not your thread -- it's not up to you to say why people should be participating. I personally don't shoot as much as I'd like to, and this would be good motivation to get out there more often.


Word fucking up. This gives me an excuse to pass some time this summer and fall while I wait for the snow.
Jul 30 2014 5:22PM
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lIllI
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Can I use my point and shoot? I sold all my other cameras.
Jul 30 2014 6:09PM
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PacificRimJob
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lIllICan I use my point and shoot? I sold all my other cameras.


Absolutely. I'm considering using a point and shoot as well, if anything because the size carries no constraints. Not only that, but it would actually FORCE the continuity between shots, due to the lack of control over aperture or shutter speed. You'd really need to develop your subject and composition in such a situation, and those constraints could lead to a better thought process alone.

If I had a more reliable point and shoot, or at least one that I was already very comfortable with and understood every finicky nuance, I'd have no doubts about it. I suppose I have a good amount of time to figure it out.

Anyone have an XA I could borrow? That would be king in this situation.
Jul 30 2014 7:21PM
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lIllI
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ZS8 never lets me down:

Jul 30 2014 9:08PM
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Sklar
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idk what's up with the fixation on continuity
to me (taking a more 'artistic' approach) its all about what you can do given your constraints and how you can push yourself and your equipment/medium
Jul 30 2014 9:42PM
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.Rybak.
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Im in! this will be the perfect way for me to get into film.
Jul 30 2014 9:54PM
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.Steezy-McGee.
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Definitely in! Been shooting film for the past 6 months and its been awesome! great idea for sure
Jul 30 2014 11:01PM
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PacificRimJob
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lIllIZS8 never lets me down:


You can't change your ISO, can't zoom, and you have to shoot in monochrome. Then you have to scan the LCD before posting.
Jul 31 2014 2:12AM
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PacificRimJob
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Actually wait. That's a question... Does the lens have to be a fixed focal length or can it be a zoom. This isn't for me, it's for those who might not have a prime lens for whatever reason.
Jul 31 2014 2:14AM
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TijmenDal
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DingoSeanAnyone have an XA I could borrow? That would be king in this situation.


I might just go with the trusty old XA as well. Such a neat little camera. Fucking love it.

Recently bought a Mju-II/Stylus Epic, but it broke down after an hour of use. Fucking ridiculous.
Jul 31 2014 5:42AM
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StangelDangle
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polaroids?
http://jibbajams.tumblr.com/post/93383907718/grampys-shed
Jul 31 2014 10:20AM
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StangelDangle
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probably won't be able to process anything at school fuck
Jul 31 2014 10:24AM
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ALaw
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I'm down
Jul 31 2014 11:35AM
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.Steezy-McGee.
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StangelDanglepolaroids?
http://jibbajams.tumblr.com/post/93383907718/grampys-shed


Would be insanely expensive! 8 photo slides for those cost around 24 bucks.
Jul 31 2014 4:38PM
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Balto
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DingoSeanAnd, as a recommendation, in having done similar things to this in the past, go with something that you're comfortable using. I'm probably just going to use a basic SLR and some standard black and white. No frills.


TWoodsYea, I think it goes without saying that this does not mean that for a year you are committing to ONLY shooting one camera, ever. haha.


Ughhhh

Again, wrong. In the true way of doing this yes it does. This is about DISCIPLINE and drive, an ode to the great times in photography where lifelong careers are built behind a single focal length and body type. The greats like Gibson who shot exclusively 50 for decades. Thousands of rolls of film with the same set up. Go shoot all your paid work on film. If your clients don't like that sucks for you find different clients.

Sean: No that is literally the worst advice you can give for this. Go completely out of your comfort zone, you aren't going to learn a thing taking the easy way out.
Jul 31 2014 7:34PM
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PacificRimJob
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BaltoUghhhh

Again, wrong. In the true way of doing this yes it does. This is about DISCIPLINE and drive, an ode to the great times in photography where lifelong careers are built behind a single focal length and body type. The greats like Gibson who shot exclusively 50 for decades. Thousands of rolls of film with the same set up. Go shoot all your paid work on film. If your clients don't like that sucks for you find different clients.

Sean: No that is literally the worst advice you can give for this. Go completely out of your comfort zone, you aren't going to learn a thing taking the easy way out.


This is about whatever you want it to be, for one... Every learning experience yields different results to the user. This shouldn't really be about emulating what others have done, but finding your own path with photography, and figuring out your own personal style and what works for you.

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I completely disagree that it's the worst advice. Using a camera you are entirely comfortable with, and fully understand can bypass the whole 'learning' portion that comes with figuring out a new tool. You can just jump to the point - which should be taking photos of what you know. I agree that putting yourself in unfamiliar territory with a new camera can make you think differently about a shot as well, but if you just forget about the tool and focus on the picture, that's really what's important.

You mention Ralph Gibson, who used a Leica with a 50 for so long... You think he worried about trying out new shit? No. He stuck with the thing he knew, and focused on his art. You're contradicting yourself here, man.

...If you don't agree, then what's the big deal you made of me making a 4$ thriftshop purchase? Because it wasn't a Leica?

Wouldn't trying out some weird autofocus point and shoot with a fixed lens be pretty unfamiliar territory? I know for one, I'd be pretty out of my comfort zone trying to work with that weird thing... what gives, dude?
Jul 31 2014 9:37PM
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PacificRimJob
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DingoSeanYou can just jump to the point - which should be taking photos of what you know.


Meant to say something more along the lines, of working on your photography, and learning WITH what you already know.
Jul 31 2014 9:39PM
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Balto
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DingoSeanThis is about whatever you want it to be, for one... Every learning experience yields different results to the user. This shouldn't really be about emulating what others have done, but finding your own path with photography, and figuring out your own personal style and what works for you.

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I completely disagree that it's the worst advice. Using a camera you are entirely comfortable with, and fully understand can bypass the whole 'learning' portion that comes with figuring out a new tool. You can just jump to the point - which should be taking photos of what you know. I agree that putting yourself in unfamiliar territory with a new camera can make you think differently about a shot as well, but if you just forget about the tool and focus on the picture, that's really what's important.

You mention Ralph Gibson, who used a Leica with a 50 for so long... You think he worried about trying out new shit? No. He stuck with the thing he knew, and focused on his art. You're contradicting yourself here, man.

...If you don't agree, then what's the big deal you made of me making a 4$ thriftshop purchase? Because it wasn't a Leica?

Wouldn't trying out some weird autofocus point and shoot with a fixed lens be pretty unfamiliar territory? I know for one, I'd be pretty out of my comfort zone trying to work with that weird thing... what gives, dude?


Actually Gibson had never touched a 50mm lens up until 1974 when he was loaned one by a friend for his famous trip to cuba. Before that he was completely wide angle. See maybe if you would ever try to learn something about photgraphic history you would be more familiar on the subject instead of talking out your ass.
Jul 31 2014 9:44PM
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Balto
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BaltoActually Gibson had never touched a 50mm lens up until 1974 when he was loaned one by a friend for his famous trip to cuba. Before that he was completely wide angle. See maybe if you would ever try to learn something about photgraphic history you would be more familiar on the subject instead of talking out your ass.


Correction: DR 50 1974, first 50 1961, LFI issue 5 2014
Jul 31 2014 9:47PM
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PacificRimJob
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BaltoActually Gibson had never touched a 50mm lens up until 1974 when he was loaned one by a friend for his famous trip to cuba. Before that he was completely wide angle. See maybe if you would ever try to learn something about photgraphic history you would be more familiar on the subject instead of talking out your ass.


Whatever dude. I don't really worry about what fucking lens a guy used when he was 32 compared to what he decided was better for his work when he was 55...

This project isn't about photographic history. This is about refining your own work and going through a process, or fuck... to just have fun and take some cool photos. If using a tool you're familiar with is going to help you focus your work in a direction that tells a story, then so be it. It was a recommendation. Stop making a big deal over everything you disagree with like you're the almighty sage here. It's fucking art. Nobody's right or wrong in art. That's the whole point of expression.
Jul 31 2014 9:56PM
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lIllI
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DingoSeanNobody's right or wrong in art.

Not that I necessarily side with either one of you...

True, however one person's art and ideas can absolutely carry more weight than another person's.

It's not that one person's need for expression is outweighs another - is that some people have a more deliberate or self-aware way of expressing themselves. Sure there are no rules in art, but there are also no rules against fishing for sympathy in social settings. You'd have to be a classless twat to do that, despite having every "right" to.

Thomas is making a judgement call. If you can't see that then you are missing the point. He isn't saying there's an objectively correct way of making art, and that anyone who disobeys isn't making art. He's telling you to grow a sense of finesse, whatever those terms may be.

And now for my opinion:

As for the idea that there is no wrong way to make art: fuck that. The vast majority of art is vapid garbage and you know it.
Jul 31 2014 11:04PM
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jfxphoto
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brb finally buying a film camera
Aug 1 2014 1:52AM
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erikK
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hopefully i can find enough time during school to pull this off
Aug 1 2014 3:14AM
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TijmenDal
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Jesus Thomas, stop being a dick. Seriously.
Have you ever heard the word tact? Because you sure as fuck don't have it. Opinions differ, tastes differ and it's ok that you dis(agree) with people, but you always act like everything you say is the absolute truth, which is fucking bullshit. If you're disagreeing on something someone says, that's fine. But instead of saying that person is a retarded asshole for saying that, try being a little nicer.

And besides: what's the point of stepping out of your comfort zone, only to create a new one. You use Gibson as an example, telling him how he's mastered whatever setup he's used. If Sean's happy with the setup he's using and that's what he's want to learn through-and-through, just let him be instead of saying he's doing it wrong.
Aug 1 2014 9:56AM
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1337
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I dig the idea, would be nice to put my XA back into use. And Tri-X, mm.
Aug 1 2014 12:08PM
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FilmingBitch
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Easy there boys!

I am so in, I just need to pick up some film. Now... which camera to choose... Konica with Hexanon 57? I'm thinking yes. I've been wanting to play with that one for a while... we'll see if I end up getting out enough to take photos. Going back to film in general takes me out of my comfort zone, yippee!
Aug 1 2014 12:52PM
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lIllI
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I'm actually interested in an uber-portable 35mm compact. I don't know a gosh darn thing about 35mm...can someone recommend a good/cheap one? I've heard good things about the Olympus XA2.
Aug 1 2014 1:45PM
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Laurent.
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lIllII'm actually interested in an uber-portable 35mm compact. I don't know a gosh darn thing about 35mm...can someone recommend a good/cheap one? I've heard good things about the Olympus XA2.


I prefer the OG XA, > XA2 = XA4 > XA3 > XA1, XA is the rangefinder, XA4/3/2 are the same without rangefinderness, 3 adds DX Reading over the A2, 4 has a 28mm instead off 35mm lens. A1 is essentially a disposable in terms of settings, foolproof though.

or you can get that little Rollei box.

I prefer the XA for a pocket cam though, the sliding cover protects everything nicely.

Aug 1 2014 4:16PM
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plorr
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Definitely doing this. Mamiya 6 for sure. But 50mm or 75mm? Tri-X or Portra 400? Hmm...
Aug 1 2014 5:02PM
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PacificRimJob
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lIllII'm actually interested in an uber-portable 35mm compact. I don't know a gosh darn thing about 35mm...can someone recommend a good/cheap one? I've heard good things about the Olympus XA2.


The XA is a rangefinder, with a slightly faster, slightly softer and distorted lens than the XA2, which is a zone focus camera, with four focus zones, and a half stop slower, yet sharper lens.

I personally like the XA more due to it being technically a little bit better, but my first film camera was the XA2, so it has a special place for me in that regard.

Either way, they are friggin awesome for being stealthy. Just put a piece of electric tape over the Olympus logo and you might as well be James Bond.
Aug 2 2014 4:07AM
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TijmenDal
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The biggest advantage of the XA over any of the other ones is that you can set the aperture. I think it's the best one in the series. The XA-4 is pretty cool too, but also much more expensive.
Aug 2 2014 7:44AM
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*Fujative*
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ForeverYungI'm down. Not sure if I want to go color or black and white...


I'm in.

B/W for sure. For me, I want to pay more attention to contrasts and compositions then colors.
Aug 2 2014 3:39PM
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