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Skis suddenly terrible to ski on...

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Treblegrogg
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Yo,
so this year i got a new pair of skis and rode them for a day or two, then went back to my old skis from the season before to thrash in the park so i don't fuck up my good new skis... however the old skis (used in park for 3 seasons) are so terrible to ski now and i dont know why, they feel like they are gripping when i side slip (have been properly waxed) and are super slow. Is it just im used to my new skis or has anyone experienced something like this before?
Jul 23 2014 1:41AM
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.FRY.
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Get them tuned. They've probably aquired lots of dirt and rust and shit.
Jul 23 2014 1:57AM
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Treblegrogg
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.FRY.Get them tuned. They've probably aquired lots of dirt and rust and shit.


Yeah have done that, still ski like shit.. But yeah thanks any other ideas? or should i just buy another pair of park skis?
Jul 23 2014 2:19AM
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skier58284
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Are their gauges in the bases? Burrs in the edges? Were they waxed well, and scraped well after waxing?
Jul 23 2014 2:24AM
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theabortionator
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check the base and edges. Are your edges fucked up and cracked? burs? core shots on base along edges?

Clean up your edges and ptex any big shit on your base.


If you're concerned or don't to mess with them yourself take them to a shop. IF THEY TUNE YOUR EDGES MAKE SURE YOU DETUNE THAT SHIT BEFORE YOU HIT RAILS
Jul 23 2014 2:41AM
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notspoicey
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make sure the brakes arent bent
Jul 23 2014 3:00AM
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skier58284
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theabortionatorcheck the base and edges. Are your edges fucked up and cracked? burs? core shots on base along edges?

Clean up your edges and ptex any big shit on your base.


If you're concerned or don't to mess with them yourself take them to a shop. IF THEY TUNE YOUR EDGES MAKE SURE YOU DETUNE THAT SHIT BEFORE YOU HIT RAILS


Pretty much this, however, if you have too deep of a gauge in your base (i.e. it goes all the way through the petex to the wood core), petex is not good enough. You need a different material. A ski shop can fix it, but it's expensive. Cost me $100 to have it done on my Lab 001s. Not much option though, with gauges that deep the wood core will get wet and rot and ruin the skis if it's not fixed.
Jul 23 2014 3:14AM
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Treblegrogg
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Sweet thanks guys, I'll look into all those options and hope that it saves me spending on another pair!
Jul 23 2014 3:17AM
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theabortionator
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Sh4dowPretty much this, however, if you have too deep of a gauge in your base (i.e. it goes all the way through the petex to the wood core), petex is not good enough. You need a different material. A ski shop can fix it, but it's expensive. Cost me $100 to have it done on my Lab 001s. Not much option though, with gauges that deep the wood core will get wet and rot and ruin the skis if it's not fixed.




Idk, I've ptexed bad core shots and had them stay. I've done it and had them fail. You can epoxy edges back in and all kinds of shit for not that much. If they're good skis that's one thing but spending $100 to fix old park skis seems a little much.

That said you can def get a better job at a shop usually. NEver underestimate the power of a 6er of good beer and being friendly in terms of price.
Jul 23 2014 3:27AM
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toastyteenagers
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Get a tune up and a wax.
Jul 23 2014 5:23AM
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tomPietrowski
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Did you get the edges sharpened an then defined again when you got the skis waxed. Sharpening does not just sharpen the edge it remives burrs which catch. after the edge is clean and burr free you can define again for rails but the skis will slip and carve much better then an old beat edge.

As as or why they run slower it could be a few things. Did you get a structure put in the base when you had them waxed? your new ski will have a factory structure so if your skis have no been structure in a while they will run much slower.

Do the new skis have te same base? Are the old skis extruded and t new sintered. That can make a huge difference in speed.

Lastly it it coul just be wax. New skis generally have a good all condition wax. Perhaps the wax on the old skis was a temp wax an the wax did not match the conditions as well as the all condition on the new ones.

Overall its it's probably just that the old skis need a real service not just a hot wax.
Jul 23 2014 1:47PM
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shin-bang
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well if you waxed them and theyre still slow, its probly your base structure. go to your shop and tell them to structure your base. that basically means they put little lines in your base which helps your skis go faster.
Jul 24 2014 2:59PM
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BWalmer
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Go to a shop, get them a base grind, edge tune and wax. Then, when you get them home, re-detune your edges...should make them feel almost like new again.
Jul 24 2014 4:06PM
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Donketts
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Check the skis... Is their cracks, dirt, rust and other junk...
Jul 24 2014 7:01PM
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123+ski
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theabortionatorIf they're good skis that's one thing but spending $100 to fix old park skis seems a little much.


$100 for a base weld seems like a little much. I think I paid $20 the last time I needed one, and that was on the mountain, not my regular shop.
Jul 24 2014 11:03PM
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tomPietrowski
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p.hawks$100 for a base weld seems like a little much. I think I paid $20 the last time I needed one, and that was on the mountain, not my regular shop.


You will get a wax for $20 but you won't get a base grind, stone grind, edge and wax for $20.
Jul 24 2014 11:38PM
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shin-bang
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my shop charges like 60 for a full tune. and the sucky part is that they do such a bad job they dont even scrape all the wax off after machine waxing :(
Jul 25 2014 1:11AM
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123+ski
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tomPietrowskiYou will get a wax for $20 but you won't get a base grind, stone grind, edge and wax for $20.


I know, it was a base weld, as in to fix a core shot. They also "smoothed it over" with a little wax from the wheel.

Regardless, op, if the wood isn't showing, you should be able to fix it yourself very cheap.
Jul 25 2014 9:01AM
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tomPietrowski
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p.hawksI know, it was a base weld, as in to fix a core shot. They also "smoothed it over" with a little wax from the wheel.

Regardless, op, if the wood isn't showing, you should be able to fix it yourself very cheap.


You can't really restructure a base at home and that is what the op requires.
Jul 25 2014 12:11PM
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Treblegrogg
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Yeah, so i waxed them and sharpened the edges and removed most of the burrs and that actually helped alot, i enjoyed skiing them although they're still shitty to ski on so i'll take them in somewhere and get them properly done... thanks for the help guys +k to all you
Jul 28 2014 7:23PM
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