Quiver Killers?

Grizzly.ButtahI've done a lot of research and I want these. Just wondering if any body else had them and what you thought of them.

http://www.quiverkiller.com here's a link if you wanna look into it more.

Anyway my main concern would be wieght. I'm getting 4frnt YLES and j skis(I'm selling my other skis). So I have dukes for a touring setup but they are super heavy. For days when there's pow I wanna take off weight and put jesters on. Anyway I was wandering if the quiver killer inserts make the ski much heavier or just a little heavier. Would it be worth the purchase?

First off, go with bindingfreedom. He made the original ones and folks over on TGR say they are higher quality.

bindingfreedom.com

Secondly, a lot of people use inserts rather than plates like these:

because of weight saving/stack height. So yes, they are a viable option. Just know they take a bit of time and can strip. Make sure a reputable shop installs them. Or you can do it yourself but make sure you do not mess up. You do not want a swiss cheese-ed ski.

Okay so overall which one is lighter and more durable(less prone to strip) because I've heard that with quiver killers from a few people that quiver killers make it harder to strip than normally.

An insert should hold the screw in better, but its just like anything mechanical - the more pieces, the more things that can go wrong. Swapping bindings between sets isnt something best done at the mountain, its best the day after skiing in your garage without snow and ice everywhere.

After installing and summing the experiences of a few friends who ride these - great for some people and certain situations. Pretty much write this option off if you ever plan to sell your skis however, or hope to find someone with your exact BSL and needs that same binding setup. Cost is sorta pricey still as well. If you want to keep your skis for the rest of your life and can afford it, go for it! Makes the most sense to me at least to have two pairs of skis and two sets of bindings (one AT/tour obviously), or do one pair with an alpine/tele mount for the rare multi-skilled skier.

Go to the thread on TGR entitled "The Swiss Cheese Experiment" -
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/215852-Review-Binding-Freedom-Inserts-The-Swiss-Cheese-Experiment

I agree with most of what you said. Only do it if you are pretty mechanically inclined and good with DIY stuff.

I don't really agree with your statement that they can't be resold? If anything it should help the ski hold its value. The inserts strengthen the area much more than a plug would,and you can still have three good mounts with inserts in a ski. Just have to add an extra 5mm or so between holes, which is very doable. And for example even if the 2nd buyer can't use the first inserts, if he sells them again the 3rd owner might be able to use the inserts for his boot size and not have to drill a 3rd set of holes.

Also the weight from inserts is almost non existent. Maybe a few grams per insert? Makes no difference. the plates make a difference in weight and stack height- Which is why the inserts are so great.

And the difference between QK and BF isn't big. I personally like BF better, they are honestly a slightly better product. Slightly longer threading length and the threads are slightly more durable. My .02 cents at least.

Also now a days you can go up or down a boot size on the same mount with Salomon or Marker bindings, so remounts aren't always needed when selling the skis either.

MuggydudeI agree with most of what you said. Only do it if you are pretty mechanically inclined and good with DIY stuff.

I don't really agree with your statement that they can't be resold? If anything it should help the ski hold its value. The inserts strengthen the area much more than a plug would,and you can still have three good mounts with inserts in a ski. Just have to add an extra 5mm or so between holes, which is very doable. And for example even if the 2nd buyer can't use the first inserts, if he sells them again the 3rd owner might be able to use the inserts for his boot size and not have to drill a 3rd set of holes.

The issue with resale is the holes can't be filled. Like a help coil the insert has to have a bigger hole drilled to insert the insert. This means you can't remove the insert and full the hole like you could a regular binding screw hole.

This is and the extra size of the holes mean you end up with even less remount room. Even more so considering most people mount for 2 sets of bindings not just one. So if you think about it your already buying a ski with two mounts and at least 16 holes which can't be filled. Not many people will spend good money on a ski like that.

Thanks for all your guys input but im not going to be buying these. /thread

You don't need to fill the holes... They are already sealed after you install them. It's basically a plug that doubles as a mount possibility. And as I said before they will help maintain the mounting pad's strength much better than a normal plug. You are right that there is less room though.

tomPietrowskiThe issue with resale is the holes can't be filled. Like a help coil the insert has to have a bigger hole drilled to insert the insert. This means you can't remove the insert and full the hole like you could a regular binding screw hole.

This is and the extra size of the holes mean you end up with even less remount room. Even more so considering most people mount for 2 sets of bindings not just one. So if you think about it your already buying a ski with two mounts and at least 16 holes which can't be filled. Not many people will spend good money on a ski like that.

MuggydudeYou don't need to fill the holes... They are already sealed after you install them. It's basically a plug that doubles as a mount possibility. And as I said before they will help maintain the mounting pad's strength much better than a normal plug. You are right that there is less room though.

I realise you leave them in but that's the issue you end up with like 16 metal plugs in each ski which if they pop out in a fall you will have issues sealing.

They are a cool idea but will seriously effect resale value.

Pop out? Are you serious? They are literally threaded in with epoxy...

Anyways, this is why I generally stick with teton gravity ;) have a good day

MuggydudePop out? Are you serious? They are literally threaded in with epoxy...

Anyways, this is why I generally stick with teton gravity ;) have a good day

Yeah I have seen inserts pop. If you counter flex a ski the hole will open up and the insert can pop out and when it does it leaves a real mess. It's for this reason I never recomend heli coils to fix a rip out for park skiers. I have seen too many skis ruined that way.

Anyway enjoy tgr

We use Binding Freedom on all of the Newschoolers staff review skis. Its absolutely awesome once you get your setup dialed. The best part is being able to travel with 2-3 sets of skis, one set of bindings and not go overweight on any flights.

The mount is super strong, and we've never had any problems with ripping out. Its quick once you get used to it to change bindings too.