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Explain to me the mentality of doing drugs? serious talk

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HERCULES.
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so call me a butthurt bitch or whatever but im 21 and noticing more and more people around me are getting involved with drugs and it pisses me off. I drink here and there and have a beer or 2 on the daily, i smoke weed on and off (more off than on), and i take adderall for USEFUL reasons such as studying related/long work day related/strenuous activities, and only around 10 times a year. All 3 of these substances i take and the way i use them are technically "abuse". Drinking a bit to relax after a day of work is technically dangerous because im technically "dependent" on it, smoking weed to relax because again its for a reason and is still illegal were i am, and "abusing" adderall because i dont have a prescription for it but still use it as an advantage to focus/do work.

So looking at all of this i consider myself an almost "above average" substance user. I mean im a very fit and active person and sometimes drinking can get in the way of that and i REALLY like to get muffed up with my boys and raise hell once or twice a week, but i control it and could never drink again if i had a good reason not too. I never see any need to cross the line and do something that's proven to seriously harm you.

What annoys the shit out of my is the large large population of people i know and that surround me that regularly use shit like molly, methadone, acid, and coke. Its common knowledge that shit like that 100% is very harmful, can do permanent damage AND is addicting most of the time and yet almost everyone thinks its ok to do regularly. My girlfriends idea of a good time and all she fucking talks about lately is doing some special lsd she got off the black market. Why the fuck do people resort to doing shit like this? Theres literally a thousand things that are fun to do that dont have to be drugs. Go on a hike, go fishing, do a sport, hang with friends, learn to sew, paint, anything. I was talking to some buddys the other night and all there hype to do is do molly and lay around each others houses. Not go on a hike, not work, not anything. All i fucking heard about was laying in the grass and how cool the trees looked?

I dont understand this. Is this like normal? Im not scared to experiment with shit i just see absolutely no need to do something thats expensive, harmfull and addicting while i can go fishing or longboarding and have way more fun?

Sparknotes: Why does everyone do drugs and think its ok? Why will people risk there health and mind on drugs while they could easily find something better to do thats not drugs?
Jun 25 2014 9:41PM
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Backyard.Skier
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snobunnyOk-- why does it matter what other people do? It does and it doesn't. If you're an adult, and you want to take acid on the weekend with your friends, that doesn't affect me.

However, if you're an adult who has a coke problem, lost their job, and is now on unemployment you are a blight on society.

However, that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about kids. I think it is a shame that hard core drugs have become so rampant and common place amongst youth-- it just makes me worry for my future children-- so in some ways what other people do is relevant-- I mean people make up society, right? I live in that society and am therefore affected.

Certainly if someone was a recreational drug user in their own time and I wasn't exposed to it, then whatever. However, kids using public restrooms to do oxy, meth and to snort lines-- get that shit out of my public society, plz.

I also think sex amongst kids has become out of control.


lawl at the last statement

People who worry about drugs being used in public/early age need to start at the source of their shitty community. Look at Miami back in the day, bunch of people who didn't give a shit and poorly policed streets. The city was totally run by drugs making them accessible, if you're worried about your kids getting their hands on it so easily then start making your town a better place.
Jun 26 2014 2:58PM
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saskskier
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As someone who's never used or drank in my life, I am not sure what the appeal is of either drugs (regardless of what they are) or alcohol.

That said, as a social worker I can say with 100% accuracy that I have never worked on a case where drugs or alcohol have not had a negative impact on the family.

Kids born with permanent brain damage because mom drank while pregnant. Dad beats mom because he gets violent when he does coke. Kids neglected because mom and dad smoke too much weed and doesn't give a rip about them. Kid is sexually assaulted because parents are partying and have a bunch of strangers in their house and kids are unsupervised.

One of the biggest problems I face with these families is people not recognizing that using is having a negative impact on the family. Dad is a coke addict and beats his g/f when he's high, but it's okay because he can stop any time... They come in a week later because he did it again.

Over and over and over I have to deal with people who, despite their family falling apart around them, partners leaving or kids being taken away, don't have a problem with ________.

Even though I went into this job without ever using, I haven't seen anything to convince me it's worth starting.
Jun 26 2014 3:30PM
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theabortionator
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saskskierAs someone who's never used or drank in my life, I am not sure what the appeal is of either drugs (regardless of what they are) or alcohol.

That said, as a social worker I can say with 100% accuracy that I have never worked on a case where drugs or alcohol have not had a negative impact on the family.

Kids born with permanent brain damage because mom drank while pregnant. Dad beats mom because he gets violent when he does coke. Kids neglected because mom and dad smoke too much weed and doesn't give a rip about them. Kid is sexually assaulted because parents are partying and have a bunch of strangers in their house and kids are unsupervised.

One of the biggest problems I face with these families is people not recognizing that using is having a negative impact on the family. Dad is a coke addict and beats his g/f when he's high, but it's okay because he can stop any time... They come in a week later because he did it again.

Over and over and over I have to deal with people who, despite their family falling apart around them, partners leaving or kids being taken away, don't have a problem with ________.

Even though I went into this job without ever using, I haven't seen anything to convince me it's worth starting.



Of course you don't. How would you understand what you haven't tried?

No shit bro. How many of your cases involve a positive situation? These kids are in danger. Their parents love them, they get fed veggies, get good grades in school, and they're one giant happy family.

Of course you haven't seen anything that makes you think it's worth starting. First you weren't a fan of it to begin with hence why you never tried anything. Second you're only surrounded by the negative impacts, nobody would expect that to make you go out and grab a beer.

For every shitty person that uses drugs there are a ton of responsible people out there. Are there some drugs that people probably shouldn't keep doing when they have a family? Of course. But there are lots of bad habits.

Also there are a bunch of shitty people that don't do drugs out there. They're just shitty people with problems. The kids that are neglected "because mom and dad smoke too much weed and doesn't give a rip about them" are neglected because they have shitty parents not that marijuana took their wonderful parents and turned them into scumbags.

What the hell is your post even about? You had something against drinking and drugs since you were younger, you pursued a career where you see the negative impacts of drugs, and no you're saying"Oh well I don't see anything that makes me what to try those things" as if anyone expected you to.


Do whatever you want. Don't smoke, don't drink, don't do pills, eat veggies, get good nights sleep, exercise. Do whatever the hell you want.
Jun 26 2014 5:05PM
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Bodhisattva_
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People against drug use will never listen to a drug user as to why they choose to do certain drugs and why it's perfectly acceptable.


Like Abortionater said, most of those people are shitty people to begin with. That isn't to say that drugs and alcohol have not negatively impacted their life, but they would still be a shitty person regardless of the substance they abuse. The substances just compound it and make it worse.

Except I do agree that coke heads can get to be quite problematic. Cocaine is a fickle drug. Many people can try it twice and never think about it again, some will just do it at a party to get a little pick me up mid way thru their night of drinking, and some people just straight up can't hang and get out of control with it really quickly. But the same can be said about many things in the world. You just have to know yourself and your boundaries/limits.
Jun 26 2014 5:13PM
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milk_man
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TheGreenBastardyour only gonna be 21 once, so might as well have fun now while you can still fuck up and recover rather easily


HA! That's probably what this guy said:



Drugs are stupid and do nothing more than make you feel good for a little while. Once the drugs wear off the pain of life will come back. And that will cause you to get addicted.
Jun 26 2014 6:15PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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Mad respect OP.

Fuck the molly heads, you guys are idiots. And no one likes you other than other molly dicks.
Jun 26 2014 6:43PM
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Dorf.
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SideShowBobOP=bitch


hamfacegirl=bitch
Jun 26 2014 6:55PM
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Sno.
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Thizzle.Pretty sure everyone in the 70's dropped more acid, ludes, shrooms, etc... than most modern day drug users, and they turned out ok.

And wtf? Where did you get kids using public restrooms from? That's some junky shit that applies to all drug addicts. Not sure why you think their is suddenly youth running rampant shooting up and blowing lines in public restrooms everywhere? I am around a lot of drug users (cocaine mostly) and I live in a town with a huge number of H and crank users, and have never a single time seen or heard of anyone using in any of our public bathrooms. Most people like that do it in the safety and comfort of their or their dealers/friends home, apartment, etc... literally the only time users would do that in public is if they are homeless.


Ok, we are obviously talking about different kinds of drug users. I personally know quite a few people who have died under the age of 18 from oxy and heroin use. I live across the street from an upscale park on the water, and not only have I seen kids doing drugs in the park/restroom, but Casey and I straight up saw two maybe 14/15 year olds having sex feverishly on the beach at like 3:30pm in the afternoon in broad daylight. It was like...wtf is wrong with today's youth?
Jun 26 2014 9:44PM
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Dorf.hamfacegirl=bitch


Dorf=bitch
Jun 26 2014 9:46PM
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skiersupreme
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i feel you man. theres a couple kids i know of that are incoming high school freshman that are doing coke. and its literally because they have nothing better to do. the people who become drug addicts don't know how to have fun without substances.
Jun 26 2014 10:20PM
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TNORTS
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Drinking is just as bad if not worse for your health than most of the things you listed. It's also pretty damn addictive. It has just been so destigmitized over the course of human history that people don't even view it as a drug anymore. Also LSD is not addictive and does not cause any physical damage to the brain or body.
Jun 26 2014 10:35PM
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iH8pow
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What really pisses me off is when I'm rolling good on molly, having a good time and meaningful coherent conversation with people who I will remember the next day... and then I'm surrounded by blabbering, staggering drunks who spit all over the place when they talk

drugs are good for you, in moderation. i got out of a 5 year relationship, almost got married, and then i ate a bunch of drugs at a festival and it cleaned out my mind and picked me right back up. drunks are just depressing
Jun 26 2014 11:56PM
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plyswthsqrrls
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TrollTollWhat really pisses me off is when I'm rolling good on molly, having a good time and meaningful coherent conversation with people who I will remember the next day... and then I'm surrounded by blabbering, staggering drunks who spit all over the place when they talk

drugs are good for you, in moderation. i got out of a 5 year relationship, almost got married, and then i ate a bunch of drugs at a festival and it cleaned out my mind and picked me right back up. drunks are just depressing


successful troll is successful
Jun 27 2014 12:05AM
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Bodhisattva_
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milk_manHA! That's probably what this guy said:



Drugs are stupid and do nothing more than make you feel good for a little while. Once the drugs wear off the pain of life will come back. And that will cause you to get addicted.


That may be true if you use drugs as an escape. I see the joy in every day sober life just as much as I do when I am on drugs or drinking. I think drugs can enhance my life at certain times and situations, and when I come down I fully respect what just happened and have just as good a day the next day after I roll as I did the night I was rollin' titties. Same with cocaine. I use it occasionally to boost my weekend and party a little harder, kill a few more beers whatever. When I come down and pass out, I feel fine the next day and I know exactly what I used, and why, and the benefits and possible consequences. Have never had the urge to do it, only when it's offered or readily available during a night of drinking do I indulge at all. It's silly to judge other's drug use based on your opinions of how they would affect oneself. And also you're lumping all drugs as addictive and just to "feel good" which is ridiculous.

Once again, people who are against drugs
Jun 27 2014 1:04AM
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acualywasdolan
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I prefer my life, addicted to opiates, to my life when i was sober. when your at a constant dose though you feel normal, just with a spike a couple times a day. I like being able to control how good i feel. To each their own tho
Jun 27 2014 1:16AM
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COskier
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I hate it when people drink and smoke weed but get on other people for doing more "dangerous" drugs. Anything in moderation isn't a very big deal, just like too much of anything is a problem.

http://ideas.time.com/2013/11/21/trey-radel-scandal-whats-so-bad-about-casual-drug-use/
Jun 27 2014 1:17AM
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ModMommy
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Thizzle.It's silly to judge other's drug use based on your opinions of how they would affect oneself. And also you're lumping all drugs as addictive and just to "feel good" which is ridiculous.
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As someone who has struggled with drugs (and still does) this is seriously important, and hits home. Drugs have different effects, it's stupid to label them all as "fell good."
There was a time where I did them (fucking downers man) to be happy, but that was because I thought they would make me happy. That quickly evolved into needing them to go to class, to get thru the day, and to get out of bed. I recommend exploring what addiction really is.
Addiction isn't something that all drugs lead to, especially if you're careful about your choices. They can help you feel good, or relaxed, or whatever you make of them.
Jun 27 2014 1:19AM
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HERCULES.
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reading some of the more educated replies i can respect lsd being in a very different catagorie than coke/molly ect. Its interesting seeing different peoples ideas about drugs/ drinking. Its cool to see how for example the abortionator is a crackhead vs. the social worker who has seen all of the possible negative impacts.

Reading more into lsd i feel like its soemthing that i would consider trying 1 time to see what this "enlightenment" is all about. Especially if there is no real negative effects that can happen (i searched google and some forums). The guy on the 1st page was very convincing and seems very intelligent.

Drugs are baddd mkaayy kids
Jun 27 2014 1:39AM
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Bloom.
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Some drugs are destructive and some are enlightening. We have chosen the word "drugs" to be a catchall term for many substances that alter the mind. However, shouldn't be so black and white.

As a society, we are finding that drugs can be beneficial. For instance, MDMA (ectasy) has been a huge success in treating those suffering with PTSD. Ibogaine, a hallucinogenic compound found in Africa, has been deemed useful for ridding addicts of their impulsive behavior. Psychedelics are extremely useful for spiritual and creative insight.

Your perception of any drug should only be based on personal experience and research. To simply listen to what your government deems good and bad for you is ignorance.
Jun 27 2014 1:58AM
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Mingg
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Fuck drugs. They fucked up my life before I even knew what they were.

I haven't seen my brother since I was 10 because he's been in and out of jail for drugs. I think the first offense was heroin, then some others but my dad won't tell me. I always thought I'd have a big brother to hang out with, play video games with, ride dirt bikes with and talk to growing up. My brother was my best friend. Him and I would go skiing every Saturday with my dad and he'd always sneak me out of my class so we could go ski together. He taught me how to ride a dirt bike and he was supposed to help me with my first motox race...But one day I came home from school and he wasn't there and I haven't seen him since.

I understand where people are coming from. I've heard all the "pros" about drug and I don't want to be ignorant. Maybe drugs aren't that bad but addiction is. And addiction will fuck up your life and other people's lives. At least to me, the risk of addiction isn't worth a high because I've already seen what it can do to someone and their family. Just my 2 cents.
Jun 27 2014 2:41AM
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boozer
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the kinds of people who drugs are like the kinds of people who liked to spin around really quickly as kids just to get dizy....
Jun 27 2014 4:02AM
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acualywasdolan
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MinggFuck drugs. They fucked up my life before I even knew what they were.

I haven't seen my brother since I was 10 because he's been in and out of jail for drugs. I think the first offense was heroin, then some others but my dad won't tell me. I always thought I'd have a big brother to hang out with, play video games with, ride dirt bikes with and talk to growing up. My brother was my best friend. Him and I would go skiing every Saturday with my dad and he'd always sneak me out of my class so we could go ski together. He taught me how to ride a dirt bike and he was supposed to help me with my first motox race...But one day I came home from school and he wasn't there and I haven't seen him since.

I understand where people are coming from. I've heard all the "pros" about drug and I don't want to be ignorant. Maybe drugs aren't that bad but addiction is. And addiction will fuck up your life and other people's lives. At least to me, the risk of addiction isn't worth a high because I've already seen what it can do to someone and their family. Just my 2 cents.


the problem in your case is the drug war, einstein
Jun 27 2014 4:05AM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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acualywasdolanthe problem in your case is the drug war, einstein


Drug addiction can be crippling and ruin families. Jail does that even better.
Jun 27 2014 4:20AM
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acualywasdolan
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One of the most destructive aspects of addiction is that the cost of drugs is so high. That is a result of the DRUG WAR.
as an opiate addict, i try not to judge other people based on their addictions, but sometimes i cant help myself. Alcoholics, for example, i believe are wasting their lives and youth on something so inferior to opiates that its fucking funny to me. All the alcoholics on intervention look like someone found them at the bottom of a lake. Or nicotine. "Yes ill smoke cigarettes because they are legal so they must be good, and looking 20 years over my age and lung cancer are just bonuses i guess." A big part of the demonization of drugs comes from true bums who want to believe they are living the best life possible by doing only whats legal (alcohol and tobacco). They literally want to kill people like me, who are living superior lives on illegal drugs that give you an immeasurable high and dont make you age, horribly.
Its jealousy. The stakes are not any higher on opiates- alcohol wd can kill you, opiate wd cant.
The destruction of peoples lives due to opiates results from their high price. The high price results from the drug war. Yes you can die fairly easily from an opiate overdose, but if you are diligent it is very easy to do them safely.

tolerance is the issue. If somebody wants to ruin their lives with the legal sack of shit thats fine. I just ask that they dont judge me, because if they think they are taking a better path they are fucking clueless
Jun 27 2014 4:24AM
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Ribss.
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Why do you think it's ok to judge people for their personal choices? People have their reasons, who the fuck are you? You sound whack as fuck thinking adderall is ok but LSD isnt, haha.

People need to learn to see things from both angles.
Jun 27 2014 5:46AM
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Mr.LemonPie
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It seems to me like you're making this thread because of your gf. And I mean, if you're than uncomfortable with her experimenting with psychedelics then you two may not be the best match for each other.

On drugs in general, it is a natural human instinct to try new things and expand the mind. This is especially true with psychedelics where they open your mind to things you wouldn't normally be aware of. I mean...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miCDPzJHvjk&feature=kp

"It's...I can't tell you about it, if you can't see it you'll just never know it, I feel sorry for you."

I mean, this doesn't mean that drugs aren't dangerous. Psychedelics are definitely some of the "hardest" drugs because they have such strong effect while you're on them. But I mean, if your gf has real lsd it is completely safe on the body.

As far as other drugs you mentioned go, coke, molly etc the dangers are addiction (especially with coke) and that it's generally not what you think it is (especially with MDMA). But I mean honestly, on a recreational basis, are any of the pure drugs more dangerous than alcohol? Not really...It is just that there has always been alcohol so the government can't make it illegal (not that they didn't try...).

Loads of my friends don't drink anymore. And just do drugs recreationally at parties/concerts/festivals whatever. I know a lot of people that have taken things to far, and have had problems with things from ketamine to speed, but in general if you are careful and mix it up so you don't do anything to regularly, and always test your stuff/know your source illegal drugs aren't any more dangerous than the legal ones. They are just more fun.

Except opiates. They are too good, too expensive, and too addictive. If you can't support (financially) a clean opiate addiction and turn to heroin, there is only one outcome, and that's becoming a junkie.
Jun 27 2014 7:38AM
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maximiliaan
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i only hate people giving drugs stupid names like molly, special k, sos/snos/sas or whatever the fuck they call it, etc..
Jun 27 2014 8:18AM
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Sno.
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Thizzle.That may be true if you use drugs as an escape. I see the joy in every day sober life just as much as I do when I am on drugs or drinking. I think drugs can enhance my life at certain times and situations, and when I come down I fully respect what just happened and have just as good a day the next day after I roll as I did the night I was rollin' titties. Same with cocaine. I use it occasionally to boost my weekend and party a little harder, kill a few more beers whatever. When I come down and pass out, I feel fine the next day and I know exactly what I used, and why, and the benefits and possible consequences. Have never had the urge to do it, only when it's offered or readily available during a night of drinking do I indulge at all. It's silly to judge other's drug use based on your opinions of how they would affect oneself. And also you're lumping all drugs as addictive and just to "feel good" which is ridiculous.

Once again, people who are against drugs


people don't start using drugs as an escape...there is a slippery slope, and most don't even know they've crossed the line when they do because of denial.
Jun 27 2014 10:12AM
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Huck_Norris
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Drugs: Because fuck you.
Jun 27 2014 10:19AM
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GayWolf420
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sounds like you just surround yourself with shitty druggie friends. maybe find a new group to mingle with or something.
Jun 27 2014 10:45AM
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THEE_wizard
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I totally understand. I'm not about to try any of the hard drugs because I care about my body, and I've tried weed just because of peer pressure but I really didn't like it. It wasn't really chill like people say. It just made me kinda dizzy and I Hated it. So I'm pretty sure I wont try anything else in my lifetime. My parents did meth so I know first hand how hard drugs screw people up. I ski because it's one of those things that is more fun than drugs and I'm kinda sick of people always talking about weed. Why can't everyone just have fun doing other things?
Jun 27 2014 10:56AM
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theabortionator
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HERCULES.reading some of the more educated replies i can respect lsd being in a very different catagorie than coke/molly ect. Its interesting seeing different peoples ideas about drugs/ drinking. Its cool to see how for example the abortionator is a crackhead vs. the social worker who has seen all of the possible negative impacts.

Reading more into lsd i feel like its soemthing that i would consider trying 1 time to see what this "enlightenment" is all about. Especially if there is no real negative effects that can happen (i searched google and some forums). The guy on the 1st page was very convincing and seems very intelligent.

Drugs are baddd mkaayy kids


There can be negative effects it just won't kill you. Def make sure you have a sound mind, and don't bit off more than you can chew. I think a festival is one of the best setting because you're able to move from place to place, you're about as safe as you're going to be, and people will look after you if needed.

Just be careful and use it as a tool. Also really wasn't trying to convince people to try anything, everyone can do what they want and I can respect that. Was just saying that I didn't agree with lumping everything together.

If you never do anything else, only eat seafood, and step over every crack in the sidewalk for the rest of your life that's fine. IF you feel that you don't need/want drugs that's great. I just feel like a lot of peoples choice not to use drugs ends up fueling the drug war. I don't need to use drugs therefore I'm superior. Hell even believing that is fine as long as people don't push keep the drug war going.

Some bitch in the senate somewhere 5-10 years ago was talking about how she survived cancer without smoking drugs so of course it was wrong for anyone else to want medicine that's natural and works.

Shit like that.
Jun 27 2014 12:06PM
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LolklonVolkls
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Granite_StateIt sounds to me like you are one big hypocrite brothaman. Alcohol can be as detrimental to your health as cocaine. I mean I can sympathize the molly plight because that shit is usually cut and terrible for you but LSD? Really? There are far worse things kids these days could be doing and as far as I'm concerned (never been a user) LSD is a tool to enlighten ones self. In fact, there are studies showing that moderated LSD use can be linked to positive mental health. Sounds like you are trying to justify/rationalize your own actions while being critical of others at the same time Mr. Substance abuser. Drugs are fun, plain and simple, and its becoming a mentality among this current generation that doing drugs is how you have fun. You are falling into this niche as much as anyone else so I really don't even see the point of this thread, at least coming from someone like you. P.S. I've been drinking, deal with it.

^^^what he said man, leave LSD of this, acid is some real ass shit
Jun 27 2014 12:20PM
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saskskier
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theabortionatorOf course you don't. How would you understand what you haven't tried?

No shit bro. How many of your cases involve a positive situation? These kids are in danger. Their parents love them, they get fed veggies, get good grades in school, and they're one giant happy family.

Of course you haven't seen anything that makes you think it's worth starting. First you weren't a fan of it to begin with hence why you never tried anything. Second you're only surrounded by the negative impacts, nobody would expect that to make you go out and grab a beer.

For every shitty person that uses drugs there are a ton of responsible people out there. Are there some drugs that people probably shouldn't keep doing when they have a family? Of course. But there are lots of bad habits.

Also there are a bunch of shitty people that don't do drugs out there. They're just shitty people with problems. The kids that are neglected "because mom and dad smoke too much weed and doesn't give a rip about them" are neglected because they have shitty parents not that marijuana took their wonderful parents and turned them into scumbags.

What the hell is your post even about? You had something against drinking and drugs since you were younger, you pursued a career where you see the negative impacts of drugs, and no you're saying"Oh well I don't see anything that makes me what to try those things" as if anyone expected you to.


Do whatever you want. Don't smoke, don't drink, don't do pills, eat veggies, get good nights sleep, exercise. Do whatever the hell you want.



With the exception of just a few people, none of the parents or kids I work with are 'shitty people'. For the most part, they've gone through more crap than most people will ever know and have turned to drugs/alcohol to try and forget.

Just because I don't use myself, doesn't mean I judge those around me who do. I was just providing an opinion, like everyone else in this thread and could honestly care less if you drink/use provided it doesn't hurt someone else.
Jun 27 2014 12:50PM
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Bodhisattva_
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snobunnypeople don't start using drugs as an escape...there is a slippery slope, and most don't even know they've crossed the line when they do because of denial.


A LOT of people get high to escape. Some, like Milk-Man, would try to argue that is the ONLY reason people use drugs. Is to escape the pain, or monotony, etc.. of every day sober life and experience a "high." And yes, drugs are a very slippery slope. The problem with drugs is that many people enjoy the high so much they forget how to enjoy sober life too. That's why it's unfair to lump all drug users and drugs together and say "drugs are terrible." Drugs are different for every person that does them. Some people can handle it and do it for fun and recreation, while others get lost in the high and lose their ability to deal with sober life. You shouldn't judge other people based on their drug use, but rather them as a person and how they live their life outside of the fact that they use. If they are fucking up their life and others because of their drug use, then they need help and oftentimes like you said they don't realize it. If it gets to a point when it is no longer recreational and they feel that they need to get high to live their life the way they want to, then it can become a problem. But even then aside from heroin and meth you don't really see people get to that point all that often. Maybe some people are dependent on weed to go out in public or whatever or they are stoned 24/7 but if they are a productive member of society who gives a fuck? The only time other people bitch about drug users is when an addict is so far gone they are affecting other people's lives. So maybe it's time to quit focusing on "drugs being bad" because people are going to keep fucking doing them, and start focusing on helping the people who slipped down the slope too far.
Jun 27 2014 1:42PM
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louie.mirags
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I stopped reading OP when he said he drinks. Alcohol is a drug. Just happens to be your drug of choice.
Jun 27 2014 1:45PM
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Sno.
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Thizzle.A LOT of people get high to escape. Some, like Milk-Man, would try to argue that is the ONLY reason people use drugs. Is to escape the pain, or monotony, etc.. of every day sober life and experience a "high." And yes, drugs are a very slippery slope. The problem with drugs is that many people enjoy the high so much they forget how to enjoy sober life too. That's why it's unfair to lump all drug users and drugs together and say "drugs are terrible." Drugs are different for every person that does them. Some people can handle it and do it for fun and recreation, while others get lost in the high and lose their ability to deal with sober life. You shouldn't judge other people based on their drug use, but rather them as a person and how they live their life outside of the fact that they use. If they are fucking up their life and others because of their drug use, then they need help and oftentimes like you said they don't realize it. If it gets to a point when it is no longer recreational and they feel that they need to get high to live their life the way they want to, then it can become a problem. But even then aside from heroin and meth you don't really see people get to that point all that often. Maybe some people are dependent on weed to go out in public or whatever or they are stoned 24/7 but if they are a productive member of society who gives a fuck? The only time other people bitch about drug users is when an addict is so far gone they are affecting other people's lives. So maybe it's time to quit focusing on "drugs being bad" because people are going to keep fucking doing them, and start focusing on helping the people who slipped down the slope too far.


yes I wasn't saying people don't use drugs to escape. I meant they usually don't start that way...it starts as recreational or fun and then leads there. That's what I meant.
Jun 27 2014 6:43PM
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acualywasdolan
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Mr.LemonPieIt seems to me like you're making this thread because of your gf. And I mean, if you're than uncomfortable with her experimenting with psychedelics then you two may not be the best match for each other.

On drugs in general, it is a natural human instinct to try new things and expand the mind. This is especially true with psychedelics where they open your mind to things you wouldn't normally be aware of. I mean...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miCDPzJHvjk&feature=kp

"It's...I can't tell you about it, if you can't see it you'll just never know it, I feel sorry for you."

I mean, this doesn't mean that drugs aren't dangerous. Psychedelics are definitely some of the "hardest" drugs because they have such strong effect while you're on them. But I mean, if your gf has real lsd it is completely safe on the body.

As far as other drugs you mentioned go, coke, molly etc the dangers are addiction (especially with coke) and that it's generally not what you think it is (especially with MDMA). But I mean honestly, on a recreational basis, are any of the pure drugs more dangerous than alcohol? Not really...It is just that there has always been alcohol so the government can't make it illegal (not that they didn't try...).

Loads of my friends don't drink anymore. And just do drugs recreationally at parties/concerts/festivals whatever. I know a lot of people that have taken things to far, and have had problems with things from ketamine to speed, but in general if you are careful and mix it up so you don't do anything to regularly, and always test your stuff/know your source illegal drugs aren't any more dangerous than the legal ones. They are just more fun.

Except opiates. They are too good, too expensive, and too addictive. If you can't support (financially) a clean opiate addiction and turn to heroin, there is only one outcome, and that's becoming a junkie.

One of my psych profs talked about the laurels of acid. I personally havent done it because i wouldnt have passed the tests that woman did but yeah. Lsd is great from what my friends say
Jun 27 2014 6:59PM
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lIllI
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"Drugs" is a pretty broad term. There's not much sense in lumping them all into the same category. Just because some grundlers don't know how to use drugs responsibly doesn't mean all drugs are inherently bad.

Having said that, I got all my drug experimentation out of my system in high school. Now I just have a drink here or there and smoke weed on occasion, but even those two things are becoming increasingly less enjoyable, and I'm only 23.
Jun 27 2014 7:43PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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milk_manHA! That's probably what this guy said:



Drugs are stupid and do nothing more than make you feel good for a little while. Once the drugs wear off the pain of life will come back. And that will cause you to get addicted.


You think drugs are stupid, I think believing a book written 3,000 years ago by supremely ignorant people is stupid.
Jun 27 2014 7:44PM
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milk_man
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Granite_StateYou think drugs are stupid, I think believing a book written 3,000 years ago by supremely ignorant people is stupid.


bro but you haven't even read it broo
Jun 27 2014 11:15PM
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bfulmer
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do drugs














enjoy universe
Jun 27 2014 11:22PM
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Alex_G
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LSD is fucking amazing that's why. if you enjoy ken kesey's work, the grateful dead, jimi hendrix...you should dose and everything they've ever made will make insanely good sense
Jun 27 2014 11:26PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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milk_manbro but you haven't even read it broo


When I want a good laugh I'll make sure I sit down and take the time to read it.
Jun 28 2014 4:01AM
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Zimmerman
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Holy shit fuck off. Drugs are good. Sex is good. Fuck off.
Jun 28 2014 4:06AM
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jfxphoto
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theabortionatorLol. It's one thing to not do drugs, hate them whatever, but why does it matter so much what other people do. Also the way OP lumped together things was laughable.

As far as lsd, that's one of the most powerful drugs a person can do. If used by the right people for the right reasons it's insane how much of a positive effect it can have on a person.

OP being butthurt about what other people do isn't going to change anything.

That's like people you don't drink. It's totally fine but no need to be all "OMG THOSE TERRIBLE HEATHENS THAT DRINK SHAME ON YOU ALL YOU'RE BAD PEOPLE"

I haven't even smoked in 5 years. There's nothing wrong with it and I'm not butthurt that people are doing it. Same for everything else.



these are my thoughts also
Jun 28 2014 5:33AM
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acualywasdolan
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milk_manHA! That's probably what this guy said:



Drugs are stupid and do nothing more than make you feel good for a little while. Once the drugs wear off the pain of life will come back. And that will cause you to get addicted.

Wow youre fucking stupid
Lord_ByronMad respect OP.

Fuck the molly heads, you guys are idiots. And no one likes you other than other molly dicks.


And youre just naturally fucking stupid
Jun 28 2014 7:31AM
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louie.mirags
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milk_manHA! That's probably what this guy said:



Drugs are stupid and do nothing more than make you feel good for a little while. Once the drugs wear off the pain of life will come back. And that will cause you to get addicted.


The worst thing about the internet is everybody can throw in their shitty, inexperienced opinion.
Jun 28 2014 8:18AM
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hippy.
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dont want to climb onto my high horse and type an essay about drugs but to sum up what i would say is WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF if people want to fuck up their lives on drugs let them do it..if its family or friends get them help if they relapse then its their own choice...
Jun 28 2014 9:08AM
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Bombogenesis
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Your love your love your love













































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