How can one achieve this?

elm0OP are you high?

elm0OP are you high?

.undetectedIs there a higher state to which I can wake up, so that this waking world will disappear, just like the dream world?"

elm0OP are you high?

mmccarthy14OP definitely has a point and I can tell he's definitely philosophical and relatively smart. But, it is also a high possibilty he's sconed off the dank catapolonic scug nugs

.undetectedNo one has any hesitation, obviously, in taking the dream world as an illusion; for, when they wake up to this familiar world, the dream world disappears. But all of us find it hard to believe that this familiar world, which we all actually perceive and experience, is an illusion. If I jump down from an upper floor, I will certainly be fatally injured. This difficulty is because we are all part of this world and are attached to it in some way.
But a spiritual aspirant may ask, "Is there a higher state to which I can wake up, so that this waking world will disappear, just like the dream world?"

.undetectedNo amount of chemicals were induced to have this thought. I just hoped for actual responses. I guess NSG delivers the usual suspects........sigh

Dr.DealgoodOkay OP. Usually a block of text bereft of citations or references that "coherently" muses on philosophical predicaments is safely assumed to be derived from marahuana consumption.

El_Barto.dont you have some video game tournaments to watch you fuckin loser

.undetectedCall of Duty is an event at the X games this year for a Gold medal. Dont even get me started with this argument right now. We all know how that debacle will go.

.undetectedCall of Duty is an event at the X games this year for a Gold medal. Dont even get me started with this argument right now. We all know how that debacle will go.

JAHpowHow will it go? Video gaming isn't a sport.

El_Barto.It will end up with you looking like the jackass you are. Shit, you probably suck at video games as much as you suck at NS

.undetectedDo I need to teach you a lesson SkiOre?

El_Barto.Oh no...one of my first names. Ive had like a million of em but that doesnt mean that youre not a loser

.undetectedIs that supposed to make me cry?

Thizzle.Yes, it's called Nirvana and I have been there after an accidental 80mg dose of 4-ACO-DMT. Had no prior preconceptions of what it was to be like or that I was even about to take drugs because I thought it was just a THC capsule. Long story short I had an extended out of body experience in which I lost the aggregates of reality (perception of self, time, and space) and was purely energy in the universe. Sounds silly but read this trip report and I had a very similar experience. And after studying Buddhism the year after that trip, the way Buddhism describes "ultimate enlightenment" and Nirvana are exactly what I experienced on the trip.

If you want me to give a more detailed explanation of the event and the trip itself I am willing just don't want to scroll bomb as it's a long journey and requires a lot of explanation.

So to answer your initial question, yes there is another reality that you may experience... but the only way to do that is by lifelong meditation and sacrifice, or a single perfect drug experience in which many things have to come together to achieve it. I did it completely on accident and my advice to you is to not spend your life searching for that, but rather enjoy this world we are in now and hopefully when you die we all get to that place, as I believe.

This trip report does a good job of explaining what I went through and experienced, but keep in mind I had NO prior knowledge of this drug or that I was even ingesting it. So it came out of nowhere and at the point before experiencing true ego death I had convinced myself that I had gone completely insane and that this was what my life would be like now and had no idea why.


http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=91726

"I was extremely afraid, mostly because i didn't know how much deeper i would be pulled in, and because i was painfully aware that there was no 'eject' button i could pull to save myself when things were getting too dark. It was at this point that i realized there was no way to fight it, and i had to surrender myself completely. So i stopped all resistance, cleared my mind, and just lay there hoping i would somehow just pass out and wake up in the morning as sober as ever. "


"I was just a ball of energy. Floating out there somewhere drowned out in waves of energy. At a point i realized that i was dead. My body was gone, I was gone. There was just the energy that used to be me. For a while i was afraid of my death, i wanted to go back, i wanted to live. Then i realized that there was no way to go back after seeing what i saw and feeling what i felt. I couldn't fit into the world anymore, i had to be pushed out. With these thoughts i accepted my death. Everything felt calm and silent. My mind stopped racing, and all the black and white energy around me swirled together to make an even shade of grey. It was incredibly peaceful. It's very hard to write out the experience after this time. There is a fundamental difference between knowing and understanding, and although i could attempt to make others know what i felt, it is impossible to make anyone understand."

El_Barto.No...its supposed to let you know that watching video game tournaments makes you a loser

AT-ATConsciousness is extremely interesting. You only see the world through your own eyes and you can never find out if what you perceive to be real is actually real. You can waste years thinking of "what if?" and "is this all a dream?"

It is much better to just let it go as the answer will never be found. You are your only judge. "I think, therefore I am."

.undetectedWhat type of things do you do for fun?

What do you watch that makes you happy?

Where does your "enjoyment" come from?

.undetectedSmall words from a small mind my friend.

What type of things do you do for fun?

What do you watch that makes you happy?

Where does your "enjoyment" come from?

Tell me these things so I too can bash on them, because that is how we are supposed to be. Humans were meant for this, in fact we were built for this.

.undetectedIts stories like this and trip reports like this one that lead me more to believing that humans have "souls" and that is where life comes from. Yet there are so many thoughts that go on in my head that I cannot even fathom for myself let alone type them out into words. All I can do is exactly what you just said, "enjoy this world we are in now and hopefully when you die we all get to that place, as I believe." Thank you very much for this post. Sometimes I just need something to bring me back to reality and stop my mind from racing away from itself.

Thizzle.Yeah, once you have been stripped down to purely nothing but your soul in the infinite universe of other souls and energy it is much easier to understand consciousness. There is indeed more than what meets the 5 senses, and it is a difficult thing to explain what is left of "you" in that ego death scenario. The part that really gets me is that there is literally no more "you" and yet you can still sort of sense that "you" are there just in a different form. You feel as if you are purely and truly all of the energy in the universe, and it left me with a much deeper understanding of the transcendentalist idea of the "oversoul" in that we are all connected in a sense that is beyond the scope of comprehension with mind and body alone. It seemed very much true in that time that I was gone that we are all connected via some energy or "soul" if you will. There was no more me, I was simply stripped down until nothing was left except the energy that I share with the rest of the universe, and you truly feel and know that the energy you are feeling and what you are experiencing is simply everything. After the trip it is much easier to ground myself in reality and say this is REAL, but I know there is more to it. I believe that our energy and soul is unaffected by this life we live via our senses and mind, and that we need not fear religion or God or what happens when we die, because I have already experienced death. I truly believe that my drug experience was a simulated death and I feel that I now understand what it is to die. You simply are stripping away all of the excess until all that is left is your energy already combined with the rest of the energy in the universe.

.undetectedhttp://xgames.espn.go.com/events/2014/austin/article/10823607/major-league-gaming-host-call-duty-tournament-x-games-austin

Read up.

.undetectedNo one has any hesitation, obviously, in taking the dream world as an illusion; for, when they wake up to this familiar world, the dream world disappears. But all of us find it hard to believe that this familiar world, which we all actually perceive and experience, is an illusion. If I jump down from an upper floor, I will certainly be fatally injured. This difficulty is because we are all part of this world and are attached to it in some way.
But a spiritual aspirant may ask, "Is there a higher state to which I can wake up, so that this waking world will disappear, just like the dream world?"

.undetectedI just hoped for actual responses.

CONAIR_BUSCEMINice copy and paste OP. At least quote the original thinker.

Nevertheless, "The answer is a resounding "yes." What that higher state is no one can precisely describe. But Sri Shankaracharya was an intellectual and spiritual prodigy. He could experience that sublime, transcendental state (turiya, wherein the jiva is in a state of complete identification with Brahman), just like the Upanishadic seers. Thus, the great Acharya could confirm and authoritatively summarise the vision of the ancient seers of Sanatana Dharma — the truth of Advaita. Before he left his mortal coil, he firmly established this philosophy by his masterly commentaries on the prasthanatraya (the three basic texts on Vedanta, viz., Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita and the Brahma Sutras."

.undetectedI made this up and they took it from me. You think you are clever for finding something that resembles a similar viewpoint of mine. Kill yourself.

.undetectedNo one has any hesitation, obviously, in taking the dream world as an illusion; for, when they wake up to this familiar world, the dream world disappears. But all of us find it hard to believe that this familiar world, which we all actually perceive and experience, is an illusion. If I jump down from an upper floor, I will certainly be fatally injured. This difficulty is because we are all part of this world and are attached to it in some way.
But a spiritual aspirant may ask, "Is there a higher state to which I can wake up, so that this waking world will disappear, just like the dream world?"

.undetectedI made this up and they took it from me.

.undetectedhttp://xgames.espn.go.com/events/2014/austin/article/10823607/major-league-gaming-host-call-duty-tournament-x-games-austin

Read up.

TheSeaCaptainLike gay sex.

.undetectedI agree with everything that you just said.

Did you get into URI yet?

JAHpowHow will it go? Video gaming isn't a sport.

.undetectedI wish I could hypothetically raise a group of babies in a blank room with no outside influence of anything, just to see how they would grow up. Yet "morals" and "ethics" come into play and I end up looking like a crazy person for just trying to understand what "we" are.

zzzskizzzI mean if NASCAR's a sport that pretty much open the door for everything else.

OlimarYou would be a crazy person. The only way it would end up would just be like all those stories where police/people find a child or children who are physically 16 years old but mentally and psychologically 2, in a dark room, locked in a cage, with excrement everywhere.

.undetectedI dont mean in an inhumane way. Obviously they woudl be fed and clothed and kept a normal physically healthy manner, Just would like to kind of put an end to the question "Are humans born good or evil?"

You know what I mean? Like if they grew up with no outside influence, like on a separate island with nothing to affect their reactions and "instincts" then how would they be psychologically.

.undetectedI dont mean in an inhumane way. Obviously they woudl be fed and clothed and kept a normal physically healthy manner, Just would like to kind of put an end to the question "Are humans born good or evil?"

You know what I mean? Like if they grew up with no outside influence, like on a separate island with nothing to affect their reactions and "instincts" then how would they be psychologically.