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The cramps in my feet are killing me, need help

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ArseneFox
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So I have wide flat feet, and full tilt dropkick 2012. The first time trying them out on ski vacation I had to rent other boots because of the huge cramps causing my feet to be numb for the rest of the week. After the vacation I went to a local boot fitter with them (just heating up) and than I tried them out in an indoor ski pist 2 weeks later but still had huge cramps.

Wut do?

People with WIDE and FLAT feet who had the same problem, what was your solution? Which (freestyle) boot solved the problem?

This is my foot:



The thing is that when I have tension on that soft and veiny part, my blood flow in my whole foot is getting ruined. It already feels strange when I pinch it a little bit.
May 24 2014 10:50AM
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Furrer92
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Should go to a bootfitter when your getting your boots, they test for all that shit in the fitting process. You could try getting the sides of the boot blown out though.
May 24 2014 11:26AM
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milk_man
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What's with the random flower?
May 24 2014 11:35AM
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ArseneFox
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milk_manWhat's with the random flower?


didn't even put it there on purpose
May 24 2014 11:37AM
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milk_man
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ArseneFoxdidn't even put it there on purpose


epic
May 24 2014 11:45AM
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tomPietrowski
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The reason you are getting cramp is that you have not yet had your boots fitted. You can see on your foot you have a mid height medial arch which has collapsed but it is not a flat arch. With the medial arch collapsing it will be making your foot wider which in turn woul be causing circulation issues however it will not be causing the cramps.
What you need op is to take your current boots to a decent fitter and have them assessed. If the shells fit then you need some custom footbeds. They will help realign your foot but also surport the arches and stop them stretching which in turn causes the cramp.
If the shells are not a goo fit don't waste any time or money on them. Sell the a Nd start again. If the shell does not fit there is little you can do.
May 24 2014 11:55AM
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Blake.P
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Go to a bootfitter and get professionally fitted boots and custom footbeds
May 24 2014 11:55AM
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ArseneFox
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tomPietrowskiThe reason you are getting cramp is that you have not yet had your boots fitted. You can see on your foot you have a mid height medial arch which has collapsed but it is not a flat arch. With the medial arch collapsing it will be making your foot wider which in turn woul be causing circulation issues however it will not be causing the cramps.
What you need op is to take your current boots to a decent fitter and have them assessed. If the shells fit then you need some custom footbeds. They will help realign your foot but also surport the arches and stop them stretching which in turn causes the cramp.
If the shells are not a goo fit don't waste any time or money on them. Sell the a Nd start again. If the shell does not fit there is little you can do.


you must be a proffesional with your avi and stuff. I did the shell test and there's a little bit more than one finger between my heel. But the shell is already relativly touching my foot on both sides of my medial arch. My bootfitter will probably have to stretch the plastic shell right?
May 24 2014 12:21PM
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Peter.
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fitting will solve this. you claim you have a wide foot, and full tilts are known for being narrow.
May 24 2014 12:22PM
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tomPietrowski
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ArseneFoxyou must be a proffesional with your avi and stuff. I did the shell test and there's a little bit more than one finger between my heel. But the shell is already relativly touching my foot on both sides of my medial arch. My bootfitter will probably have to stretch the plastic shell right?


He may but you may well find that once you get your foot in neutral with the footbeds you may find that your foot becomes narrower to a point were you don't need stretching. A decent fitter should be able to see how much the footbed will do and will be able to advise what work is required after you have the footbeds made. One thing to be aware of is it will raise your foot in the boot as your liner has no insole to remove. The fitter should take into account the instep space when shell checking. Let me know if you have any questions.
May 24 2014 12:26PM
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tomPietrowski
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ArseneFoxyou must be a proffesional with your avi and stuff. I did the shell test and there's a little bit more than one finger between my heel. But the shell is already relativly touching my foot on both sides of my medial arch. My bootfitter will probably have to stretch the plastic shell right?


He may but you may well find that once you get your foot in neutral with the footbeds you may find that your foot becomes narrower to a point were you don't need stretching. A decent fitter should be able to see how much the footbed will do and will be able to advise what work is required after you have the footbeds made. One thing to be aware of is it will raise your foot in the boot as your liner has no insole to remove. The fitter should take into account the instep space when shell checking. Let me know if you have any questions.
May 24 2014 12:26PM
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Shredsterr
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Cut your feet off
May 24 2014 1:13PM
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MLJ
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ShredsterrCut your feet off


Solid advice right here.
May 24 2014 1:47PM
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patt.
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I had the same problem last year when I was using my dads old boots, which fitted me in size, but were to narrow. My feet killed if I walked 15 feet in them, I tried switching out the footbeds and it didn't do anything. This year I went to a boot fitter and I got some wide boots and the problem was solved.
May 24 2014 1:49PM
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methscratchface
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dalbellos seem to work for my fat flat feet
May 24 2014 2:15PM
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Ribss.
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Seems to me like you bought fulltilt's online and they don't fit, bummer dude. There's only so much a bootfitter can do and then you will have spent a lot of money on a boot that still does not fit.

You should sell your boots and start from the beginning if you ask me, buy a boot that actually fits your foot.
May 24 2014 3:39PM
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Mr.Gaga
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I also have a wide and flat feet and 2013 dropkick and I had huge pain under my feet. Went to the boot fitter, he added the right footbed (a Sidas one for like 40$) and I never had that pain problem egan!
May 24 2014 4:02PM
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Ducky.
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Maybe I'm just ignorant due to the fact that I've worked a a bootfitting shop, but I can't believe that anyone with common sense would go out and buy boots based off what newschoolers claims to be the ultimate park boot.
May 24 2014 4:08PM
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bmaze91
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I also have wide/flat feet and was fitted for Atomic Overload boots. They're excellent boots with a soft rubber patch on the outside of each foot to accommodate for extra wide feet. Obviously go to a boot fitter but these a good pair to consider for sure.
May 24 2014 4:25PM
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Mr.Huck
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I had this same problem this season. Feet were cramping so bad, I can't even begin to describe the pain. Tried the thinnest ski socks I could find; that didn't help. Got custom foot beds; that didn't work. Had them blown out by a boot fitter; that did nothing. I couldn't pop enough ibuprofens to even make it bearable. Finally a podiatrist suggested wearing nylons instead of socks. I remember elite racers used to do this. Went out and bought knee high nylons, 3 for about $4. Wore those for the rest of the season and never cramped again.
May 24 2014 5:28PM
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Barmski
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I have a wide flat foot as well and I ski 150 days a season so I am in my boots a lot. So first of all, you might as well sell that Full Tilt boot on here because for some reason everyone on here thinks that piece of crap boot is the answer, but in reality they are all totally wrong. Full Tilts are not everyone and yes they do work for park skiing but those boots are made of crap materials.

I have owned Salomon boots for years and I have always had to do work to the 6th toe area as well as other modifications around there. I then went to Nordica Boots and they worked well too. I recently have been in a LANGE RX120 and it fits me very well. I have always gone with Surefoot because of the custom liner and insole. YES they are $$$ BLAH BLAH BLAH but ya know what? My boots dont fall apart and I am 100% happy with my boots instead of SOMETHING being wrong and just dealing it with.

Goto a boot fitter and find out everything - your instep height, the width of your foot, and any bone spurs you have developed. Ask questions and learn. It sounds like you cant ski in 3 piece boot, but I wouldnt rule out other 3 piece boot brands like Nordica and Dalbello.

Boot fitting is tough, Surefoot does boots all day everyday, thats it. Unlike other shops that train their employees to sell outerwear, skis, and other merchandise, Surefoot employees are trained to fit boots. I do no work for Surefoot, I just swear by them. They usually have a Labor Day sale that is more reasonable. Think of it this way: You have already bought one boot that doesnt work and you paid for it, whats to say the next boot doesnt work out, and THEN you decide on Surefoot.....you've already bought 2 boots at this point while Surefoot guarantees all their boots no matter what.

Good Luck.
May 24 2014 6:20PM
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HalKK
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Get SPKs, I got wide feet and they are the comfiest boots ever! Full tilts are not made for wide feet!
May 24 2014 6:28PM
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steezyclezy
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those full tilts on have a 99mm last which is the same one they had for racers in the 80's. there are wider full tilts like the booter or whatever its called. but yeah you might as well look at another company like salomon or atomic
May 24 2014 6:34PM
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shepux
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I have the exact same problem. I went to a boot fitter and the boots he gave me were some Technicas that hurt real bad. I got footbeds and them stretched 3 times but they were still sore
May 24 2014 6:36PM
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3r1k
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How long have you worn (not owned, actually worn on your feet) your Full Tilts? I had a semi similar problem for the first few days I owned mine. Yes it does suck. Yes it did get better. What I was told is that you need to wear your boots for around 10 hours before hitting the slopes. I'm not sure if this is good advice or not - I'm not a bootfitter. But I just straight up skied on mine to break them in. I guess the concept would be similar though. I don't know. Maybe this would be something you could try? Just wear 'em around your house or to school. They're Full Tilts. Chicks love Full Tilts. Best of luck with whatever you do. On s side note, I was under the impression Full Tilts were narrow boots and not for a wider foot? :/
May 24 2014 7:34PM
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B.Quincy
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I have 2012 spk's and ive had dropkicks as well the spk's are by far the most comfortable boot ive ever had. I also have a wide foot and the dropkicks were just too narrow
May 24 2014 8:24PM
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Atomika09
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Best advice, sell ya dropkicks and get some salomon boots, they are notoriously good for people with wider, flatter feet.. i have tall arched narrow feet so i use full tilts..
May 24 2014 8:47PM
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cheerio
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dont listen to what people tell you what boot fits them properly because thats their own foot and not yours. Go try on a bunch of boots at a store and get fitted. Good luck!
May 24 2014 8:54PM
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Negromancer
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A.Emonddont listen to what people tell you what boot fits them properly because thats their own foot and not yours. Go try on a bunch of boots at a store and get fitted. Good luck!


+1 to this.

When you go to the fitter don't have any boots or brands in mind, just go tell the boot fitter what you are going to be skiing and how hard you are going to be skiing. Let the fitter look at your foot and then let him make suggestions on what boots to try. Having predetermined ideas on what boots you want is really bad because it just interferes with the fitting process, rather go in with no brand ideas and get the boot that fits the best. Also don't fixate on buying a park boots.

A good fitting all-mountain boot will perform and feel a 100 times better than a poor fitting park boot.

Finally get custom made footbeds and wear them in your normal shoes for the first week or so. If you put them straight into your boots they may hurt a lot because your foot won't be use to them. If you give your feet time to adjust to them by wearing them in your normal shoes you shouldn't get cramps or pain when you go and put them into your ski boots.
May 25 2014 1:30AM
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profa_212
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ShepuxI have the exact same problem. I went to a boot fitter and the boots he gave me were some Technicas that hurt real bad. I got footbeds and them stretched 3 times but they were still sore


Get a new icon.
May 25 2014 1:39AM
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shepux
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Profahoben_212Get a new icon.


make me
May 25 2014 2:00AM
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profa_212
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Shepuxmake me


I just pooped in your pillow. You have 24 hours.
May 25 2014 3:15AM
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Static
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Mr.HuckFinally a podiatrist suggested wearing nylons instead of socks. I remember elite racers used to do this. Went out and bought knee high nylons, 3 for about $4. Wore those for the rest of the season and never cramped again.


This is one of the things that saved my feet. Plus you can get girl's nylon socks in tons of day sweet colors and patterns.

Another thing that really helps is unbuckling on the lift.
May 25 2014 3:03PM
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Nippletron
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tomPietrowskiHe may but you may well find that once you get your foot in neutral with the footbeds you may find that your foot becomes narrower to a point were you don't need stretching. A decent fitter should be able to see how much the footbed will do and will be able to advise what work is required after you have the footbeds made. One thing to be aware of is it will raise your foot in the boot as your liner has no insole to remove. The fitter should take into account the instep space when shell checking. Let me know if you have any questions.


What Tom is saying. I have the Five Chairs and had painful problems like you in the same area described. Me feet seem flat but they have a small arch as the pressure point test proves (this is apparently due to the shitty "baskets" or sneakers kids wear these days according to my other bootfitter (was wearing Nike Blazers at the time)). But yet when I put my foot in the shell I have finger space in the sides.

What you do is fine a very thin footbed so your foot stops leaning outwards to the side caused by the higher arch footbeds and to wear really thin socks. The difference matters. Problem is my right foot is 1cm wider than my left foot due to a football injury so I had to stretch the shell a bit on the right foot. Hope this helps. Thin socks + low profile footbeds.
May 26 2014 8:44PM
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rozboon
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Just to add to the mound of random advice in here...

The Dropkick is a narrow-ass last. Even for whatever size it is (98mm?) they fit narrow. A footbed would help a little as it would stop your foot flattening as much under load but it looks like it would take a gigantic punch in the midfoot (and across a huge area) to get you comfortable. Plastic can only go so far. Personally I'd say look at a different boot, and this time go to a bootfitter (or, if a "bootfitter" sold you these, go elsewhere this time).
May 28 2014 1:40AM
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ArseneFox
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Ducky.Maybe I'm just ignorant due to the fact that I've worked a a bootfitting shop, but I can't believe that anyone with common sense would go out and buy boots based off what newschoolers claims to be the ultimate park boot.


Actually yes pretty ignorant since I didn't buy those boots based off what newschoolers claims to be the ultimate park boot.
May 29 2014 11:33AM
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ArseneFox
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Mr.HuckI had this same problem this season. Feet were cramping so bad, I can't even begin to describe the pain. Tried the thinnest ski socks I could find; that didn't help. Got custom foot beds; that didn't work. Had them blown out by a boot fitter; that did nothing. I couldn't pop enough ibuprofens to even make it bearable. Finally a podiatrist suggested wearing nylons instead of socks. I remember elite racers used to do this. Went out and bought knee high nylons, 3 for about $4. Wore those for the rest of the season and never cramped again.


hmm thanks I can imagine that this would do a lot, will try out next time
May 29 2014 11:36AM
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Caucasian_Asian
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Soft and veiny
May 29 2014 12:29PM
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Cyanicenine
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Mr.HuckI had this same problem this season. Feet were cramping so bad, I can't even begin to describe the pain. Tried the thinnest ski socks I could find; that didn't help. Got custom foot beds; that didn't work. Had them blown out by a boot fitter; that did nothing. I couldn't pop enough ibuprofens to even make it bearable. Finally a podiatrist suggested wearing nylons instead of socks. I remember elite racers used to do this. Went out and bought knee high nylons, 3 for about $4. Wore those for the rest of the season and never cramped again.


This guy knows what's up. I keep trying to tell this to my other skier friends but no one believes me. Switching to a thin nylon/pantyhose style sock gives you a new a level of boot fit you can't even believe. I don't care if you are in the "ultra thin" smartwool socks, they are bulky pieces of fabric taking up valuable boot space when compared to a nylon sock.

Salomon's freestyle ultra thin nylon sock are what I use and I won't go back to using anything else. http://salomonsocks.com/p/freestyle-ultra-thin-ski-socks-1?pp=12
May 29 2014 10:08PM
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ArseneFox
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oh yeh sorry for the huge bump but i'm going to sell my beautiful full tilt drop kicks in perfect condition for this reason.

https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/783495/Full-tilt-dropkick-11-12-for-sale--as-good-as-new--MP-28--From-Belgium
Jul 20 2014 1:01PM
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milk_man
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This was a quality thread
Jul 21 2014 11:13AM
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Ali_Dibden
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Ducky.Maybe I'm just ignorant due to the fact that I've worked a a bootfitting shop, but I can't believe that anyone with common sense would go out and buy boots based off what newschoolers claims to be the ultimate park boot.


Im guessing that its also related to full tilts pretty epic marketing strategies, if all the best pros wear them and they look cool then anyone and their mums will go out and buy them
Jul 22 2014 6:05AM
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Daski
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Get fitted at a shop by someone who knows what their doing; if this is not a possibility, most boots from Salomon run wide, I have a EE-EEE width foot and I ride Salomon SPK a size up from what I should be. Tightened down a lot, they're not bad
Jul 22 2014 3:02PM
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tomPietrowski
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NUSSC_FreestyleIm guessing that its also related to full tilts pretty epic marketing strategies, if all the best pros wear them and they look cool then anyone and their mums will go out and buy them


Would you really buy boots just because some pro wears them? I know some people get them just because they look cool but I would hope most here now know they need to get their boots fitted and buy what fits.
Jul 22 2014 3:06PM
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tomPietrowski
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DaskiGet fitted at a shop by someone who knows what their doing; if this is not a possibility, most boots from Salomon run wide, I have a EE-EEE width foot and I ride Salomon SPK a size up from what I should be. Tightened down a lot, they're not bad


I know your trying to help but this is not great advice. Only the spk has a wide forefoot last but it ha a low instep so the volume is. It actually tht high. He would be better off in an x pro from salomon. It's a 100 mm last but full custom shell and the volume can go much higher then an spk. The new spk the ghost fs is actually a low volume boot now so in general I would actually say salomon run pretty low volume Other then the X pro.
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