Are you liberal or conservative?

Mr.SaltyI want what Japan has

milk_manThat's what you would want, and what the mother would want; but it should matter what the baby would want. And I think the baby would want to experience life. Even if they were one of the poorest people in this country, at least they would be alive. We can't say that a baby would be better off dead because they would never have much money or education. I think that baby would beg to differ. We've probably lost countless scientists and doctors to abortion, some of which might have make breakthrough discoveries.

That's just my 2 cents though

StoseSo let me get this straight. Because I said I think the 16 trillion debt is more important that equality, I'm ignorant?

coolflash8Tell me your brilliant plan to pay 16 TRILLION dollars by giving tax cuts to the wealthiest, and cutting funding to underprivilege? by the way, if the lower classes were given the safety nets and support they need we would have a MUCH higher chance of being able to tackle the debt. Society succeeds if everyone succeeds. I feel like I need to stoop low enough to remind you that a large part of that debt has come from wars, border security, and anti drug measure. All conservative initiatives

zzzskizzzActually crime rate and poverty go way down in places where abortion is legalized. So statistically a lot more criminals are being killed then any doctors or scientists. You're a white middle-class male, so of course to you life seems fair and grand. Try being raised in poverty getting arrested going to prison and then saying it's worth it.

milk_manYou are also a white middle-class male. It's not like people in poverty would rather be dead.. I've gone on two missions trips to Mexico and let me tell you-they may be poor and under educated but they are very happy people.

zzzskizzzGood for you man I'm very glad in middle school you put up a couple wooden panels.

milk_manThanks man



Your avoidance shows me that my point got across

zzzskizzzIs that a joke? You avoided my point.

milk_manYour point was basically that: "Since the aborted babies are most likely going to end up being criminals, who cares if they just never exist?"

And I think it's absolutely sick to condemn someone of doing something before they even do it.


Even if every single aborted baby became a criminal, their life still matters.

coolflash8of course it is in your mind so conservatives can keep repressing the underprivileged and also keep fattening their wallets with the prison industrial complex

milk_manEven if every single aborted baby became a criminal, their life still matters.

milk_manYou can't be serious right now

coolflash8the conservative party is a promoter of racism, misogyny, wealth divide, gender warfare and a host of other backwards and outdated ideologies.

milk_manPlease explain

coolflash8I'm doing this on mobile so you better be satisfied. Stance on women's right, anti abortion but cut funding to planned parenthood which provides preventative measures like contraception, they think abstinence only is the way to go, then are suprised when young people get knocked up. They restrict the availability of plan B But there is no regulation over vasectomy or viagra. They are pro birth, not pro life. They are anti abortion. But when that child is born into a low income household they cut welfare funding, education funding, funding for medical care. I don't think I need to go on...

coolflash8planned parenthood which provides preventative measures

SupremeDeityMilk Man you're really stupid. You're just arguing to argue, you have no intentions of being willing to change your opinion. I think you just like the attention from having a point of view that a majority of NS doesn't (which is completely fine), but you need to realize it doesn't make you a special snowflake. You're still really stupid though.

milk_manThat definitely doesn't describe every conservative.. That describes what you think a conservative believes




You are painfully misinformed. Conservatives try to shoot down Planned Parenthood because Planned Parenthood provides abortions.

coolflash83% of planned parenthood's budget was abortions. THREE PERCENT. And if you don't believe in some of their practices don't call yourself a conservative and don't defend them

milk_manHonestly the only reason I'm conservative is because the liberal morals do not fit my worldview at all. And because conservative politicians generally have better monetary policy.


Really though, I have no emotional connection to the Republican party..

coolflash8I'm doing this on mobile so you better be satisfied. Stance on women's right, anti abortion but cut funding to planned parenthood which provides preventative measures like contraception, they think abstinence only is the way to go, then are suprised when young people get knocked up. They restrict the availability of plan B But there is no regulation over vasectomy or viagra. They are pro birth, not pro life. They are anti abortion. But when that child is born into a low income household they cut welfare funding, education funding, funding for medical care. I don't think I need to go on...

ScaredwhiteboyNone of that is evidence to your claim that Republicans are misogynists. Republicans oppose abortion because they think a fetus is a person, and they don't believe you should be allowed to kill a person. They oppose Plan B because it does the same thing as abortion. Have you heard of female sterilization? Because it's just as legal as vasectomies. Viagra is a prescription drug so I don't know how you're claiming there's no regulation for it. Actually, I have no idea why you brought up Viagra at all. There's no real female equivalent for viagra so it can't possibly be evidence of misogyny. It seems to me that a liberal should support easy access to Viagra.

SupremeDeityI think you just like the attention from having a point of view that a majority of NS doesn't (which is completely fine)

kshaughnI'm not trying to get involved in this argument at all, but according to the poll associated with this thread, a slightly greater percentage of people on NS identify themselves as conservative than liberal. That somewhat contradicts your statement that the majority of NS doesn't agree with him.

coolflash8Dude you shouldn't have even posted. Getting involved with this thread was such a bad idea

kshaughnI'm not trying to get involved in this argument at all, but according to the poll associated with this thread, a slightly greater percentage of people on NS identify themselves as conservative than liberal. That somewhat contradicts your statement that the majority of NS doesn't agree with him.

coolflash8Ummmm. Misogyny is limiting women

coolflash8Ummmm. Misogyny is limiting women

ScaredwhiteboyNone of that is evidence to your claim that Republicans are misogynists. Republicans oppose abortion because they think a fetus is a person, and they don't believe you should be allowed to kill a person. They oppose Plan B because it does the same thing as abortion. Have you heard of female sterilization? Because it's just as legal as vasectomies. Viagra is a prescription drug so I don't know how you're claiming there's no regulation for it. Actually, I have no idea why you brought up Viagra at all. There's no real female equivalent for viagra so it can't possibly be evidence of misogyny. It seems to me that a liberal should support easy access to Viagra.

*TURBONERD*Milk_man, Plan B is not an abortion and you're an idiot for thinking it is.

kim_jong_illwas the dictatorship option there before my comment or did you just add it?

milk_manHonestly the only reason I'm conservative is because the liberal morals do not fit my worldview at all. And because conservative politicians generally have better monetary policy.


Really though, I have no emotional connection to the Republican party..

ScaredwhiteboyBy your logic, the democrats are misogynistic because they don't let women rob other people.

Like seriously, how fucking thick do you have to be to think that opposing murder is misogynistic? Fuck you and your bullshit claims of misogyny. Did you know that 82% of Republicans voted in favor of the 19th Amendment and only 56% of democrats did? If anybody is misogynistic, it's the democrats. Look at Bill Clinton for christ's sake.

I get that throwing around unfounded claims of discrimination to get what you want is the modus operandi for liberals, but it's not going to work here.

coolflash8Okay lol. If you had ever taken a political science class you would know that the reason 82% of republicans voted yes is because back then the parties had many switched ideals. Did you know democrats were pro slavery? Bet you didn't. And in case you can't read I have been arguing that the current state of the republican party has no place in modern society, meaning that with fundamental changes they can once again be relevant. A good example of this is Catholicism's alignment with fascism and anti-semitism in Europe in the early 20th century, however they have reformed

coolflash83% of planned parenthood's budget was abortions. THREE PERCENT. And if you don't believe in some of their practices don't call yourself a conservative and don't defend them

*TURBONERD*The fact that Viagra exists and no comparable popular product for females does, combined with the inverse case in regards to pull-based contraception (yes, it's in the works for males, but it's taken forever) are clear indexes of the the differing attitudes towards male and female sexuality worldwide. You really shot yourself in the foot there, although I'll admit that it's not precisely misogyny.

B.AussieAre you seriously saying that anyone that supports a political party has to support every single policy the party puts forward? Politicians in their own party don't even necessarily support every motion put forward.

milk_manI never said that..



I added it haha

louie.miragsI am predicting you go to college and graduate a changed man! You seem smart enough and open minded. You seem to put thought into your opinions. You're going to bust out that shell your parents trapped you in and think for yourself. Time will tell

B.AussieAre you seriously saying that anyone that supports a political party has to support every single policy the party puts forward? Politicians in their own party don't even necessarily support every motion put forward.




Are you serious? You do realise there are fundamental differences in the reproduction systems of both genders right?

Viagra was discovered by accident when they were trying to develop a drug to lower blood pressure. During clinical trials for the blood pressure drug they discovered that is caused erections in men. While they may have developed one since, if it wasn't found it was developed to be an erection drug.

Disregarding the obvious physical difference (such as an erection being needed for sex rather than the female needing lubrication) they have been trying to find for years a female equivalent of viagra to increase the sex drive of women. Unfortunately, like the birth control pill the biological differences have been so great in the two sexes that what works for one sex doesn't work for the other.

They have been trying to develop a viagra for women, and viagra works for women in a biological sense, enlarging the clitoris ect, the problem is that it doesn't increase libido due to women deriving a lot of sexual arousal from psychological responses. So the biological function, increased blood flow to the genitals has been developed for both men and women.

Male birth control has taken longer because of the biological differences between the sexes as well. You can't stop sperm from being fertile in men, like you can stop the implantation of the egg in a women. Luckily, they seem to have found a way it works now.

coolflash8im saying dont label yourself if you dont believe in it

zzzskizzz^ Male birth control has been almost ready for the last 15 years I'll believe it when I see it.

cobra_commanderIts called using a condom

cobra_commanderIts called using a condom