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Huck_NorrisNEWSFLASH: It is a crime you fucking idiot! It also puts other people n danger- people who didn't decide to go bomb a hill without the ability to turn or stop either. So to answer your question, YES- I would much rather they tag up a bridge or smoke weed- I've never almost had to crash my car avoiding somebody taking bong hit in their living room fwiw.
Huck_NorrisAnd I agree on that point. You do, however, have to take into account that if a cop lets them go by with the intentions of getting them at the bottom and they crash headfirst into an oncoming car, die and also kill someone, they could very easily be held liable for not stopping them right away. It's a complicated multi-faceted issue as much as we'd all like it to be black and white.
Same principle applies to letting you go without proper registration papers etc.- if they don't tow your car and you hit someone afterwards, they are at fault every bit as much as you are.
All in all I am basically saying that although two wrongs certainly do not make a right, when you choose to take part in a dangerous and illegal activity you open yourself up to other peoples' rash decision making as well and you had better be prepared for that.
SVmikeAlright I have watched the video like 5 times and I fail to see where the cop swerved into their path. It looks like they were stopped in the street waiting for the boarders to come. Both cops were stopped and not moving. Sorry but the fact is I don't care what you are on, bike, car, or long board if a cop has his lights on you are required to stop in a controlled manner. If you can't that, your the dumb ass.
mmccarthy14Skateboarding/longboarding have saved my life and shaped me into the person I am today. If it wasn't for my pieces of wood and wheels I would most likely ended up being a real piece of trash. Same goes for skiing.
LE.Skiingthat cop should be thrown in jail for attempted murder.
Bomber_BoBAre you kidding me right now? Worse logical reasoning I have ever read. Lets be clear here, kids were retarded to long board, I am not arguing that. But you're telling me you justify the cop using "deadly force" because the off chance that somehow a long boarder is going to kill someone?
You let the long boarders go past you, and then you call them and have someone track them down to arrest them. If the cop hits and kills those kids the only person who is going to be liable is the cop.
Huck_NorrisAgain, read the fucking thread genius. I already went over that and won't be repeating myself because you can't be bothered to read the actual thread you're fkn posting in.
LE.Skiingthat cop should be thrown in jail for attempted murder.
Huck_NorrisOn that same token, if a longboarder hits a pedestrian in a crosswalk, should they be on the hook for attempted murder too since they willfully partook in an activity that put others in danger?
I'm curious to see how everyone feels about this. Most people seem to take no issue with the actual longboarding so it makes me curious and I want to ask.
bfulmerEssentially, your argument is that it was worth the cop risking all of their lives to prevent the POSSIBILITY that they MAY crash into SOMETHING at the bottom of the hill, and that he was obligated to stop them in such a life threatening manor, because he would have been held liable.
Sh4dowNo, because it would be completely unintentional. The cop intentionally swerved in front of them. If one of them were to hit a pedestrian, or even come close to hitting a pedestrian, they should be held accountable, but not as severaly as when something is done intentionally.
Huck_NorrisYes but if you're banned from doing something because it could kill someone and then you choose to do it anyways and end up killing someone, that's criminal negligence to a T.
Just saying. I think a lot of you guys are being one-sided because you long board or hate cops.
Sh4dowBanned? From what and by who? If I tell you that you are banned from something, does that mean you can't/shouldn't do it anymore? If someone 'banned' those longboarders from longboarding, what gives them that authority? If the longboarders never agreed to it, then they don't have to abide by it. They are putting their own lives at risk but hardly the lives of others. Other things that people do regularly, such as driving 1000kg cars, puts others at far more risk than longboarding does.
bfulmerYes, they were breaking the law. No, they shouldn't have been on a relatively busy street. Do either of these things make it okay to nearly kill them? Absolutely fucking not.
Huck_NorrisWait, so by being ok with longboarding in a residential area you're telling me they're fine with cars pulling out and cutting them off- unless it's a cop and they're in trouble. Right. Got it.
I never said the cop was right, only stated several factors which may have led to him act that way.
bfulmerTalk about not reading the thread... You didn't even read the rest of my comment which you just replied to.
And yeah you didn't explicitly say he was correct, but we all know from your outpouring of comments on this thread that you feel he was (more so than the long boarders at least, who are "generally idiots").
You suck.
OH.HollidaySounds a lot like a freeskier....
Huck_NorrisDoes any person reading this understand the dichotomy I'm pointing out? Just curious.
Huck_NorrisDude good for you, I'm not saying it's a horrible activity, just one that is NOT fucking suited for residential neighborhoods. The shit just isn't safe man! While one guy may be able to stop or turn, that can't be said for everyone who longboards as shown by the video- everybody but one guy lost it completely. You can't tell me they all stayed in control and stopped clean. No way man.
I mean c'mon guys. Be objective, not defensive- it would help you a lot in the future. Just because these guys fucked up doesn't mean all longboarders are shitdicks or all cops are assholes. It means pick your spots better, try not to endanger other people and certainly don't yell at a cop for stopping you from doing so in a neighborhood if you want to longboard- and if you do, don't think you have someplace to take issue with people who stopped you.
theBearJewTo those of you saying the long-boarders understand the risk and are partaking in it anyway. The people they may hit don't understand the risk and are not willingly taking part. Say a few hundred yards down the road a kid runs into the street to grab a ball, get slammed. Or a parked car opens the door and the guy steps out, gets slammed. It is putting people in danger and the cop did what he thought he should to stop them.
Huck_NorrisYes I absolutely did read it all haha, the rest of it was even fucking dumber!! Don't assume that because I was too embarrassed for you to quote it and tear it to pieces that I didn't read it and have a good long laugh. You really do have the reading comprehension of a fucking middle schooler and it is actually kind of sad to watch you flail helplessly at what you think is a valid point.
Again though- let's try this. Just for fun.
If you are cool with the risks of longboarding in a thickly-settled residential area (people could pull out at any time, walk out across the street, cut across to park etc.) you area accepting the risk of these things happening... But if it's a cop that pulls out, it's suddenly unacceptable, super dangerous and that guy is trying to kill people.
Does any person reading this understand the dichotomy I'm pointing out? Just curious.
ChillTeenDad420If that was the case the longboarders would be liable for damages. But in NO WAY does that provide reasonable cause for the cop to swerve into them, possibly causing serious injury or death. There was no immediately foreseeable risk to other people that would justify use of force against the longboarders
saskskierFirst. The cop didn't swerve into the left lane. He stopped in the middle of the road. He had his lights on the the boarders should have started slowing down long before they did.
Second. Let's be honest, if he hadn't, do you really think those guys would have stopped? They were cruising and only started making an attempt to stop once the cop pulled into the middle of the road.
Third. Those guys weren't kids. The guy with the yellow helmet was at least in his mid to late 30s (he had a grey beard for goodness sake). The prospect of a relatively deserted residential street to cruise down is pretty sweet, but at the same time those houses were huge and gated. He should have known that sooner or later one of those residents was going to call the cops.
cool_nameAnd to all the people going on about what if a car or a kid jumps out, how this would be different from if they were in a car.
theBearJewBecause a car has a break and can stop easily?
theBearJewBecause a car has a break and can stop easily?
ChillTeenDad420wow... there is a lot of ignorance of law in this thread. Maybe things in Canada are different, but in the US if the cop killed them with his car, he would be liable for manslaughter.
The cop clearly goes outside of his use of justifiable force. If a police officer is being threatened, he can use appropriate force to prevent himself or a third party from being subject to deadly force(the other case being if a felon is escaping, he can use deadly force to prevent the escape). However, The cop is in zero personal danger, and indeed he uses potentially deadly force to stop the longboarders. If he killed them, he is liable for their deaths. What makes this situation even more obviously skewed against the cop is that he was enforcing a $35 LOCAL ORDINANCE. No one would argue in court that it was reasonable to use deadly force to enforce an extremely minor violation of a city ordinance.
DarkskinTroopersince when do cops drive their mom's SUVs? around here they drive chargers and crown vics...
If you are cool with the risks of longboarding in a thickly-settled residential area (people could pull out at any time, walk out across the street, cut across to park etc.) you area accepting the risk of these things happening... But if it's a cop that pulls out, it's suddenly unacceptable, super dangerous and that guy is trying to kill people.
Does any person reading this understand the dichotomy I'm pointing out? Just curious.[/QUOTEyes, i understand what you are saying, but the difference youre refusing to acknowledge is that the cop did it knowingly and intentionally. putting someone in MORE danger on PURPOSE because theyre doing something dangerous is not equivalent to accidentally being part of that dangerous situation through the course of normal driving.
i mean, really, are you going to sit here and pretend you don't think someone is in the wrong to purposely cross the yellow line to get in the way of speeding longboarders? if a civilian did that they'd get owned by the cop, and it would absolutely be taken into consideration by the court whether or not they did it on purpose. i can't believe i'm explaining this to you, your posts are usually pretty intelligent
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RubberSoulyes, i understand what you are saying, but the difference youre refusing to acknowledge is that the cop did it knowingly and intentionally. putting someone in MORE danger on PURPOSE because theyre doing something dangerous is not equivalent to accidentally being part of that dangerous situation through the course of normal driving.
i mean, really, are you going to sit here and pretend you don't think someone is in the wrong to purposely cross the yellow line to get in the way of speeding longboarders? if a civilian did that they'd get owned by the cop, and it would absolutely be taken into consideration by the court whether or not they did it on purpose. i can't believe i'm explaining this to you, your posts are usually pretty intelligent
Huck_Norristo you assuming that since I asked you to fucking think about the arguments at play I must be cool with cops running down women and children in the streets. Right guys. Bravo. Well done.
Also for fuck's sake please capitalize I. It isn't hard.
