I demod them today and they are GNAR KILLER. Two of the three rental shop guys I talked to said they haven't tried them because they're scared of them, and one of them said he was scared for me to try them. And all winter they only got demod by non-employees 4 times. I can tell why, they're huge and stiff and not a powder ski. Not sure there's any other non-powder skis that big. And they only begin to work at about 40mph. I'd love to try them in Alaska, they're amazing. I wanted the Atomic Automatic but now I think I want these instead.