How do pros not get shin bang?

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Shin bang is actually far more often caused by. A bad boot fit then landing back seat. They are two very differnt conditions. One is caused by the shin being forced against the plastic overlap of the boot (most commom) the other I landing backseat an the muscle being pulled slightly away from the shin. This is real shin bang but also much less common. Most skiers infact suffer from pain in the shin for one of two reasons. Boot a bein to big or the foot being badly surported in the boot. I would say 9 times out of 10 people complaining of shin bang can have there issues resolved with boot work

So overall it is probably boot issue. An as for why pros don't suffer they are lucky to have the top fitters working on there feet.

Mar 7 2014 10:22AM

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LastChairMedia

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Full. Tilts.

Mar 7 2014 10:24AM

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kung_powpow

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Get some well fitting boots and learn how to not land backseat. I haven't had shinbang since I got full tilts besides the occasional bad landing

Mar 7 2014 10:30AM

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chrisbenson1222

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Because they aren't little bitches that complain about it.

Mar 7 2014 10:40AM

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julski

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Pros get mad shinbang, they just arent pussies and they deal with it

Mar 7 2014 11:11AM

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J-Dubb

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This. So much to do with your boots. I never have gotten shin bang HORRIBLE but I used to get it when I had some shitty like 60 dollar boots that my friend used in 6th grade. But I got fitted at Sturt's for some full tile drop kicks and I haven't felt anything of the sort since. They took a while to pack out but now that my feet have packed them out well, they feel like heaven. I still get toe bang every now and then on a bad landing but no shin bang to be had.

Mar 7 2014 11:29AM

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Go have some custom footbeds fitted too and you can get rid of that toe bang toe. Honestly anyone who skis with sore feet just needs to go get fitted. Us fitters are here to help you. We are not salesmen we are bootfitters who may happen to sell boots too.

Mar 7 2014 11:46AM

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Ive never really had bad shin bang even when i was skiing in racing boots. Its all about how the boots fit to your own personal foot

Mar 7 2014 11:49AM

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When I first got fitted, I had custom footbeds but they hurt my arches sooo bad. So I took them out.

Mar 7 2014 11:50AM

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What type were they? You need a good custom footbed in the boot to get a good fit. Try some sidas full customs they are the best custom footbeds and the only ones I will recommend.

Mar 7 2014 11:52AM

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Yea, I'd have to say stick it in er butt and pee

Mar 7 2014 12:12PM

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DaveJ

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I have never gotten shinbang

Mar 7 2014 12:31PM

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op14

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You're trying to hard

Mar 7 2014 1:24PM

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604CRUNK

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they dont land backseat...

Mar 7 2014 3:18PM

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busterburns

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this part was what convinced me

Mar 7 2014 5:14PM

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Laugh all you want, I've never bought anything but salomon ten eighty or spk boots, never had a reason to try anything else. Also haven't had shin bang in over ten years

Mar 7 2014 6:50PM

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pro boot fitters sometimes don't help. I got my full tilts at sure foot so they're heat molded and have the orthodic and shit but I still get bad shin bang

Mar 7 2014 8:24PM

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Orrin

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It helps a lot if you are used to skiing properly with your shins pushing forward into your boots. Perhaps only hit jumps when you have mastered this skill.

Mar 7 2014 9:35PM

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Do people still think this is funny?!

Mar 7 2014 9:56PM

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He said pro boot fitters. Surefoot are not boot fitters. There footbeds suck and they can't fit a boot well. Come see someone like me or onenerdy and you will see pro.

Mar 8 2014 3:12AM

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theabortionator

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They wrap pizza dough around there shin before tightening the boot. I've found dough from pizza hut works best but you can use some from anywhere if that isn't an option.

Sound ridiculous but it works.

Mar 8 2014 7:41AM

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I expect they do get shinbang, nobody lands perfectly every time, especially when going huge on new tricks.

Maybe their shins gradually adapt to it?

I've heard that kick boxers constantly get tiny fractures in their shins and that the bone grows back harder than before when it heals. idk...

Mar 8 2014 8:09AM

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Pros do get shinbang, they just dont make big dumb threads about it

Mar 8 2014 10:57AM

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THIS! Surefoot's business model is predicated on selling oversized shells to people on vacation with no time to properly be fitted. Then foaming the shit out of them.

Mar 8 2014 11:32AM

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Wearing an tall tee reduces shin bang by circa 30%.
If you layer 3 tall tees the skin bang risk decreases to 10%.
True story, tried it myself.

Mar 8 2014 1:20PM

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Seymoe

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If you work your calves out and get them fit you wont get bad shinbang

Mar 8 2014 2:17PM

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Pikachu.

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Well I can say that I've done this. I have terribly fitted boots and I know it but i just dont go skiing enough to validate a new pair yet. So the first day out on a trip i didnt ski park all day, so no landing backseat, and at the end of the day i still had pretty bad shinbang.

Mar 8 2014 3:12PM

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@th1337

Bishop is absolutely correct.

I have already packed out my new liners for my Kryptons this year.. to the point where they hurt like a bitch to wear (time for new liners for sure) So I have been wearing a pair of very soft Nordicas (that are extremely comfortable while walking around) with a lower cuff height and far less cuff rigidity. The snow has recently been super mashed potatoes here in Tahoe. I have had to be stanced very much square in the middle or in the backseat, and let me tell you, I have been getting shin bang all week while waiting for my new liners, because the boots don't do it for me in the way I need them to, or the way I've been used to.

straight up, get a pair of well fitting boots with cuffs that fit your leg correctly (it's not all about the feet, guys, any good bootfitter knows this) and you will be happy in no matter what conditions your'e in as long as you're keeping

Mar 8 2014 5:28PM

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Exactly this. But it is about the feet in getting the shin correct. People don't realise your tib fib will rotate as the foot pronates in the boot which can lead to rubbing and banging in the cuff. So get the foot right with a good footbed and you can usually make te cuff work pretty much.

But yeah it's all about a good fitting boot.

Mar 8 2014 5:52PM

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What I meant by that is that even if the boot fits your feet correctly, the cuff may not. For example the cuffs in these shitty nordicas Iv'e been using are way too wide/short/soft, and they don't allow my shins to track correctly, or deliver pressure well - even though the foot fits downright perfectly (I fit these to my feet back in the day, and they are spot on- but damn I wish I could get the cuff to work with my chicken ass legs out without doing some seriously ridiculous fixing)

Yeah, the cuffs can be aligned better with extra material or something like an eliminator tongue, but if they don't fit well, any pressure from jiggling around uncontrolled within the cuff is going to drive one mental.

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THIS OP!!! Power through the pain for like one year and ski everydaaymn day. The strengthens them and no more pain as long as you keep skiing often

Mar 9 2014 12:28AM

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Cuff's are actually pretty easy to sort out. They can be widened, made smaller, made more upright or more forward lean. Spoilers can be added and foam added to the liner to fill volumes. Where as it is important to get the cuff close as long as the foot is fitting well and the knee is tracking well then a good boot fitter can make the cuff work. Come see me in whis next season if you want and I can take a look at them for you.

Mar 9 2014 6:25AM

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Yeah, the thing is, if you're spending that much on a cuff for how tight/loose it is, you must either have some fatass leg, or some chickenass leg (i'm the latter) For the most part, cuffs are pretty good for the average person.

...cuff alignment and canting does get mighty tricky on some boots, though. I've done my fair share of sole planing on customers before.

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Yeah for sure. For customers I don't often do much additional cuff work, maybe a few volume increases for the larger leg.

I think to will find both cuff alignment and certainly sole planning becoming more rare. Back even 15 years ago when we were less able to stabilise feet so pronation was still a big factor. It was for this reason sole planning became more prevalent. Now that we can keep feet neutral there is little need I find to do much more. Of the boots I fit last season only 2 people had more then half a degree of cuff misalignment after fitting.

Sole planning I believe is far more usefull for leg length discrepancies and also for converting solid soles boots to have replaceable heel an toes. This is where I see the tech being used and hopefully as sidas become more prevalent in North America you should find you need to do it less and less.

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Yeah, working in a race shop, there was at least like 2 or 3 sole planing work orders a week - particularly in the fall when everyone was getting their stuff set up. I had a couple of leg length discrepancies back in December that were unreal. I swear one guy had like almost a whole inch worth that needed to be taken care of.

Mar 10 2014 3:08AM

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Of those sole planing how many would you say could have been resolved with a footbed would you say? I see quite a lot of people who think they need the boot planing when really they just new to postion the foot correctly. It seems to be more the older guys who won't change how they do things.

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Usually they are repeat customers, coming back with issues stemming from the boot itself, not the footbed. Almost everyone who goes into the shop leaves with a pair of Instaprints - anyone who gives a shit enough to go through the sole planing process DEFINITELY does since it's a costly venture.

I mean, I'd be tempted to straight up refuse to really fit someone if they were going to refuse to get at least a pair of trim to fits or Zaps or something. I couldn't guarantee their boots will fit them correctly otherwise

It's akin to someone refusing to buy high quality tires for a racecar and then expecting me to make the engine faster or something.

Boot planing almost only happens on race boots (or at least really high end alpine stuff) we're working on, but we get customers that drive 6-7 hours just to the shop to get their stuff fitted, so they're good for it.

(I had a guy who drove all the way down from Bend, OR, because we do more shell modification rather than liner modification - the Masterfit colleague at Bachelor is more of the opposite philosophy)

Mar 10 2014 8:13AM

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What about tail butters/pressing?

Mar 10 2014 8:25AM

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Those kill my shins

Mar 10 2014 1:14PM

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Same. I never get shin bang on the front of my shins but whenever I lean back the sides of them kill

Mar 10 2014 2:17PM

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I've got Solomon spks and I would get rank shinbang by the end of the day usually, brought some armada ski socks and arch support inserts and I've been good since then, cost about $50

Mar 10 2014 6:03PM

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they wear full tilts

Mar 10 2014 7:26PM

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Same thing, was gone in a few weeks, not sure if they help put more forward pressure on the boot or what really changed but it's never been back

Mar 11 2014 12:40AM

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Same thing, was gone in a few weeks, not sure if they help put more forward pressure on the boot or what really changed but it's never been back

Mar 11 2014 12:41AM

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This is a great example that for most skiers shin bang is more a boot for issue then it is a muscle problem from leaning back. Socks an footbeds obviously would not change leaning back but they can reposition the foot and leg in the boot. So if you suffer sore shins take your boots to a fitter and chances are they can be improved.

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If you ski as much as pros/ams do, your shins eventually get used to the trauma/pain of shinbang. As each season passes I seem to experience less and less shinbang each year

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