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We are 100 days out of the 2014 World Cup in Brazil.
I'm pretty excited. Even though USA is in a group of death if we can make it out we have a good shot of going beyond the first round of elimination. We've got a strong team and a good chance of doing better than any other cup.
LucasThe things I would do for a Brazil vs Argentina final....
The things I would do to avoid this...
Can you imagine how chippy and how much flopping would occur? I would be shocked if there wasn't a red in that game and if the game was not punctuated by whistles every 3 minutes.
Can you imagine how chippy and how much flopping would occur? I would be shocked if there wasn't a red in that game and if the game was not punctuated by whistles every 3 minutes.
HAH, do you even think before you post? like robben and muller arent the biggest floppers in the cup so far.. hell, the germans invented the whole damn thing. brasil-argentina would be a dream, but wont happen without neymar or silva. argentina shouldnt have a problem with netherlands based off how they played today and against mexico. either way im stoked, if they win then finals obviously will be amazing, and if not a chance to beat brasil in their own house would be dope. VAMOS CARAJO
DERS.argentina shouldnt have a problem with netherlands based off how they played today and against mexico.
Are you kidding? The Netherlands played wonderfully today. They had 20 shots 15 of which were on goal. Costa Ricas defense was superb. Argentina hasn't pulled off anything out of the ordinary so far. Beating countires like Bosnia, Iran, Nigeria, and Switzerland shouldn't be too much of a challenge for a team like Argentina but all 5 of the games played were won by only 1 goal. Overall I think the Dutch have played much better than Argentina considering the circumstances.
*SID*Are you kidding? The Netherlands played wonderfully today. They had 20 shots 15 of which were on goal. Costa Ricas defense was superb.
Superb defense? Costa Rica was on their own half 95% of the time. Bunch of fucking cowardly assholes. I have rarely seen a team that played like such pussies as they did.
TijmenDalSuperb defense? Costa Rica was on their own half 95% of the time. Bunch of fucking cowardly assholes. I have rarely seen a team that played like such pussies as they did.
DERS.HAH, do you even think before you post? like robben and muller arent the biggest floppers in the cup so far.. hell, the germans invented the whole damn thing. brasil-argentina would be a dream, but wont happen without neymar or silva. argentina shouldnt have a problem with netherlands based off how they played today and against mexico. either way im stoked, if they win then finals obviously will be amazing, and if not a chance to beat brasil in their own house would be dope. VAMOS CARAJO
Robben and Muller are two players, and to be honest, Neymar is one of the biggest offenders out there. Shit, Di Maria is horrible too. As is Lavezzi, Marcelo, Dani Alves, the list goes on. Muller is horrible and so is Robben, but Kuyt, Khedira, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, etc. are not the kind of players to dive like the South Americans. And the Germans invented it? I thought the Italians did.
And here, for your joy is a nice table
From the best of my knowledge, Argentina and Germany have not had a single drastic injury. There were a few pulled hamstrings, but nothing broken.
Looks like Argentina takes some time on the floor eh? Brazil too.
Did you watch the Columbia v. Brazil game? See how chippy that got? Now imagine the two best South American teams playing for the World Champion titles. It would be horrible. The play would not flow. It would be punctuated by whistles. No one would want to stay on their feet.
TijmenDalSuperb defense? Costa Rica was on their own half 95% of the time. Bunch of fucking cowardly assholes. I have rarely seen a team that played like such pussies as they did.
Glad we won, even if it was through penalties.
I mean, if you don't think superb defense involves 120 minutes of no goals I don't know what superb defense is. They punched WAY beyond their weight this entire tournament, I don't think anyone else expected them to get this far. They stuck to their guns and it almost got them a final four spot.
You must not watch Chelsea or Italian teams enough if you think they are the only team that defends like this ;-)
.MASSHOLE.Robben and Muller are two players, and to be honest, Neymar is one of the biggest offenders out there. Shit, Di Maria is horrible too. As is Lavezzi, Marcelo, Dani Alves, the list goes on. Muller is horrible and so is Robben, but Kuyt, Khedira, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, etc. are not the kind of players to dive like the South Americans. And the Germans invented it? I thought the Italians did.
And here, for your joy is a nice table
From the best of my knowledge, Argentina and Germany have not had a single drastic injury. There were a few pulled hamstrings, but nothing broken.
Looks like Argentina takes some time on the floor eh? Brazil too.
Did you watch the Columbia v. Brazil game? See how chippy that got? Now imagine the two best South American teams playing for the World Champion titles. It would be horrible. The play would not flow. It would be punctuated by whistles. No one would want to stay on their feet.
WattsI guess you missed the Dutch performance in the 2010 World Cup final.
Not very related but all I could think of was this gem:
fujaromeand once again the dutch respond to a match they just barely won by acting as if the opponent has no right to even be in the same continent as them.
hope they make the final, then get absolutely smashed just so we can all enjoy their bitter disappointment again.
Oh come on, Costa Rica parked the bus and did so very well with some excellent defending from Gonzalez and wonderful keeping from Navas, the game was a blur of Dutch cracks at goal and saves by Navas, shot after shot parried and blocked, bravura goalkeeping to thrill the heart. Their first shot at goal was in the 117th minute or so. They played for penalties which they did admirably up until van Gaal subbed Krul in for Cillessen as some mastermind move to completely psych them out which worked fantastically.
Besides the excellent defending they also had some luck, Sneijder hit the woodwork a few times and van Persie was having one of his famous off days in which he becomes about as useful as a wet piece of blotting paper. Finishing definitely wasn't the strong point of the Dutch last night. And I don't see anyone Dutch person acting as if the opponent has no right to even be in the same continent as them.
I admire how far CR has come, no one gave them a chance in the group of death but they fought valiantly.
Hell you should live here and notice how pessimistic everyone is about the national team, everyone gave Costa Rica a big chance on beating us with essentially 3/4 of the Dutch team coming from our domestic league apart from the strikers up front.
More seriously I do really hate how he tries to make the most out of any minor contact, he is such a good dribbler with a tremendous pace and ball control, let alone freakishly good left footed shot he doesn't need the diving. I also dislike his hairline, mannerisms and old man face.
His work rate is tremendous though, he was still pulling full sprints way into extra time and he had the balls to confess he dived on national tv, that is admirable in some strange way.
For the rest I've always found him a bit of a shit.
.MASSHOLE.Robben and Muller are two players, and to be honest, Neymar is one of the biggest offenders out there. Shit, Di Maria is horrible too. As is Lavezzi, Marcelo, Dani Alves, the list goes on. Muller is horrible and so is Robben, but Kuyt, Khedira, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, etc. are not the kind of players to dive like the South Americans. And the Germans invented it? I thought the Italians did.
And here, for your joy is a nice table
From the best of my knowledge, Argentina and Germany have not had a single drastic injury. There were a few pulled hamstrings, but nothing broken.
Looks like Argentina takes some time on the floor eh? Brazil too.
Did you watch the Columbia v. Brazil game? See how chippy that got? Now imagine the two best South American teams playing for the World Champion titles. It would be horrible. The play would not flow. It would be punctuated by whistles. No one would want to stay on their feet.
this table is incredibly stupid. but according to this argentina it is one of the better teams. Di Maria? no. i agree Lavezzi goes down a little too often and easily but that is not their style of play as a team and they definitely dont rely on it to get 91st minute penalty calls... and fuck brasil, they are the worst, i just think it would be even sweeter if argentina could beat them to take it all. it would be a much more emotional/interesting game argentina vs brasil. but argentina germany would be a repeat of italy 1990 final so that could be nice as well.
it really seems to me like this is their year, they have luck of a champion and are playing better each game. the netherlands game is on their independence day, 9 de julio, so its already a national holiday. the stoke is incredibly high, argentines probably love their football more than anyone else.
also messi is hands down the most skilled player on the pitch at all times. not to mention you will never see him rolling around on the ground in agony after he gets fouled or pretends to get fouled. la pulga bounces right back up and keeps running, so maybe thats why he gets the benefit of the doubt from referees... defense looked stronger and rojo will be back next game. romero has been nothing short of spectacular in goal. kun aguero could see some playing time. i dont see these dutch fairies posing much of a threat.
DERS.this table is incredibly stupid. but according to this argentina it is one of the better teams. Di Maria? no. i agree Lavezzi goes down a little too often and easily but that is not their style of play as a team and they definitely dont rely on it to get 91st minute penalty calls... and fuck brasil, they are the worst, i just think it would be even sweeter if argentina could beat them to take it all. it would be a much more emotional/interesting game argentina vs brasil. but argentina germany would be a repeat of italy 1990 final so that could be nice as well.
it really seems to me like this is their year, they have luck of a champion and are playing better each game. the netherlands game is on their independence day, 9 de julio, so its already a national holiday. the stoke is incredibly high, argentines probably love their football more than anyone else.
also messi is hands down the most skilled player on the pitch at all times. not to mention you will never see him rolling around on the ground in agony after he gets fouled or pretends to get fouled. la pulga bounces right back up and keeps running, so maybe thats why he gets the benefit of the doubt from referees... defense looked stronger and rojo will be back next game. romero has been nothing short of spectacular in goal. kun aguero could see some playing time. i dont see these dutch fairies posing much of a threat.
pathetic.
Not sure what you define as "better" here. They have less "injuries" and more time on the ground. Looks bad if you ask me.
Di Maria does dive, maybe not as theatrically as Muller or Robben but he does go down easily. I watch him for every RM game and its a complaint I have with him. It may not be their style as a team to dive theatrically, but they do go down quite easily. It seems to be a South American/Mediterranean thing.
Regardless, my point was that a game between Brazil and Argentina would be more of a war than a game. There would be numerous rash challenges, "injuries", and other events that would punctuate the flow of the game. I want to watch a game that is more like RM vs. Barca, where skill and hard tackles can go together. The last Clasico game this year was fantastic minus a horrible red card decision.
I think you are overlooking Holland right now. I don't think RvP has another off game and Robben is the most dangerous man on the pitch besides Messi. It will be interesting to say the least. I don't think Aguero or Di Maria will be 100% and as such it would be a waste to start them. Romero also hasn't been pressured to much so I think the Dutch should exploit his lack of experience in the semi.
I think Brazil would argue they love soccer more ;-)
yea you're right. everyone else is wrong. it takes a keen dutch eye to notice that the way his arm brushed out of robben's way means that he actually was applying huge amounts of force on robben.
Robben is lucky he wasn't cut clean in half by such a rigid arm.
if that's a foul, then every single occurrence of two players running parallel while jockeying for the ball is also a foul.
fujaromeand once again the dutch respond to a match they just barely won by acting as if the opponent has no right to even be in the same continent as them.
hope they make the final, then get absolutely smashed just so we can all enjoy their bitter disappointment again.
It seems like the dutch have become public enemy number one. I dislike the diving too but they made it to the semis. That's more than most countries will ever be able to say.
Was it a foul? Yes. Could Robben have easily run through it, still beat the defender, and been able to put a cross in/do whatever he was planning on doing? Absolutely. Is it a dive? 100%.
WattsWas it a foul? Yes. Could Robben have easily run through it, still beat the defender, and been able to put a cross in/do whatever he was planning on doing? Absolutely. Is it a dive? 100%.
This is what annoys me about Robben, he does gets fouled on constantly but also goes down every time even when contact was minor, and he could have kept going. He really does make an issue out of almost every little contact when he doesn't have to.
Against Mexico for one instance he dribbled at full speed, jumped like a gazelle over an outstretched defenders leg in the box that shouldn't have been there and shot a good strike at goal which was saved fantastically by the keeper btw, and against Spain he was tackled but kept on running, it annoyed me greatly because it showed that he can actually avoid contact/not go down like the dying swan he is. And it would put some legitimacy in the moments when he is actually brought down as for say the double player leg break challenge from the Mexican team before half-time.
WattsWas it a foul? Yes. Could Robben have easily run through it, still beat the defender, and been able to put a cross in/do whatever he was planning on doing? Absolutely. Is it a dive? 100%.
Nah I dont think that was a foul at all. That was such a minuscule contact its ridiculous that that fucking diving clown went down. Dutch fans should honestly be embarrassed for and of robben. The guy is such a talent but he wastes it on getting bullshit calls and flopping. The only way I could see that being a foul was because it was outside the box and even then the guy barely touched him. Such a shame that one of the best players in the world is such a flaming pussy.
Can you imagine how chippy and how much flopping would occur? I would be shocked if there wasn't a red in that game and if the game was not punctuated by whistles every 3 minutes.
its like saying you dont want to see an el-clasico, We would see the best athletes literally putting there hearts and souls into a game, it would be an amazing match. Argentina hasnt been on the floor much this world cup either. Brazil will dive because they will get calls. Argentina will play brazil and the ref's and it would be awesome to see imo.
would you rather see robben get an oscar, or messi do this?
God more footballers need to be more like Messi and less like Robben. talk about integrity and determination. Jesus, diving is one of the most disgraceful things about the game currently.
Granite_StateGod more footballers need to be more like Messi and less like Robben. talk about integrity and determination. Jesus, diving is one of the most disgraceful things about the game currently.
I'd say everybody could learn a thing or two from Ibra. Always entertaining, flashy, the right amount of cocky, and has never dove from what I've seen. Something just feels right watching a striker bully CB's...
MaineLandCollabits like saying you dont want to see an el-clasico, We would see the best athletes literally putting there hearts and souls into a game, it would be an amazing match. Argentina hasnt been on the floor much this world cup either. Brazil will dive because they will get calls. Argentina will play brazil and the ref's and it would be awesome to see imo.
Except El Clasico occurs twice a year minimum, and as a result, less is at stake. The more at stake, the more diving and aggressive players will be. You must not have watched too many recent Brazil-Argentina games either.
I don't like the way Brazil or Argentina have played this WC. Argentina is too hit or miss, and to be honest, have been more "miss" than "hit" this WC and have needed magic Messi moments to save their asses a few too many times. Without Di Maria, it will only get worse. Yes, Aguero may return, but he has tried to return 2 or 3 times already to last half a game, then reinjure himself. Brazil, well, Brazil has relied on Neymar, and now he is out. That doesn't bode well.
would you rather see robben get an oscar, or messi do this?
Amen. The best are when he gets hacked multiple times, stays on his feet and rips one past the keeper. Soooo many other players could do this if they just fucking had some determination and self respect
Watch his style vs the other elite attackers in the world. Of course he goes down from time to time - it is soccer after all. The difference being when Robben and the like has a legitimate scoring change (last gif) and he even gets a whiff of a defender near him he goes down like he just broke every bone in his body. Messi on the other hand while not impervious to diving, is infinitely more likely to stay on his feet and finish the play even if it isn't a scoring chance.
If you think it's the same game theyre playing you are insane.
Granite_StateNah I dont think that was a foul at all. That was such a minuscule contact its ridiculous that that fucking diving clown went down.
I don't think it should be called a foul either, but, technically, a defender putting his arm out across the body of an attacker like that is illegal.
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My point was that, even though that's technically a foul, it's still absolutely a dive.
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Personally I think there's a big difference between dribbling through traffic and getting hacked at and knocked off balance, maybe not quite enough to actually make the attacker fall over, but enough to drastically increase the likelihood that he loses the ball, and the attacker going down, and dribbling at a defender one on one, easily beating him and having a lot of space to run behind him and get the ball, and getting kicked hard enough to be knocked off balance a little bit, and falling over even though chances are very slim to none that the attacker would lose the ball if he kept going.
Does Messi sometimes go down easily when he's getting kicked at illegally by two or three defenders at a time and increasing his chances of losing the ball because of it? Yeah, but he basically never beats a guy with space behind, feels a slight touch, and goes down. If Messi can reasonably continue playing the ball after getting kicked, he won't go down, which is more than you can say for the majority of players these days.
Think this tells you pretty much everything you need to know. In an 8 minute video dedicated exclusively to Messi's dives, there are between 4 and 6, legitimate dives in the whole thing, depending on how much you like or dislike Messi.
no what you are saying makes you seem so incredibly ignorant. no shit everyone goes down when your pushed hard enough, the point is that the guy is notorious for staying on his feet and playing through fouls while the rest of the league rolls around on the floor at the touch of a finger. even when he does get nocked down, he jumps up and keeps playing not looking at the ref mid air. his nickname is la pulga (the flea) for a reason. watch some videos of the guy when he was 5 or 10 years old when none of this mattered. incredible ball skills, shorter than everyone, and with the ball glued to his feet, youll know its him right away. hes had the same style of play since he was born, that is what legends are made of. not that baldheaded fuck diving at the swimming pool.
we shouldnt even be having this discussion. its like good and evil to me, i dont know why so many of yall are riding the dutch dick. fuck the orange. fuck robben..
.MASSHOLE.You must not have watched too many recent Brazil-Argentina games either.
I don't like the way Brazil or Argentina have played this WC. Argentina is too hit or miss, and to be honest, have been more "miss" than "hit" this WC and have needed magic Messi moments to save their asses a few too many times. Without Di Maria, it will only get worse. Yes, Aguero may return, but he has tried to return 2 or 3 times already to last half a game, then reinjure himself.
no, you must not have been watching their games this WC.. Sabella's coaching style is conservative so that means sacrificing an all out attack for a more defensive strategy. the only game where they really struggled to put anything together offensively was the Iran game, when iran loaded the box with 10 guys the entire game. YET they have won every singe game fair and square. far more you can say for the diving dutchman.
and if you have the best player in the world, why wouldn't you rely on them.. you yourself said last page "After Di Maria got hurt, Messi started seeing the ball a lot more and as a result Argentina unsurprisingly become more threatening." masshole you seem to know what you're talking about when it comes to football, but get you head out of your ass with your opinions.. you keep contradicting yourself, and end up sounding like an idiot.
Alfredo Di Stefano died today. While he may not have had an illustrious international career, he was one of the greatest to ever grace the pitch for RM and Europe in general.
.MASSHOLE.Except El Clasico occurs twice a year minimum, and as a result, less is at stake. The more at stake, the more diving and aggressive players will be. You must not have watched too many recent Brazil-Argentina games either.
I don't like the way Brazil or Argentina have played this WC. Argentina is too hit or miss, and to be honest, have been more "miss" than "hit" this WC and have needed magic Messi moments to save their asses a few too many times. Without Di Maria, it will only get worse. Yes, Aguero may return, but he has tried to return 2 or 3 times already to last half a game, then reinjure himself. Brazil, well, Brazil has relied on Neymar, and now he is out. That doesn't bode well.
Hit or miss? Brazil has went into penaltys, netherlands has went into penaltys, germany has tied. Argentina has won every game. Does NOT matter if they were "messi" moments or not Messi is a part of that team. Im so tired of the people saying argentina isnt playing well or argentina could play better. They have played great in my eyes! As soon as a team makes them rise to the occasion, im fully confident they will rise above them.
