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We are 100 days out of the 2014 World Cup in Brazil.
I'm pretty excited. Even though USA is in a group of death if we can make it out we have a good shot of going beyond the first round of elimination. We've got a strong team and a good chance of doing better than any other cup.
brototie breakers are based on total goal differential in the group, not goal differential between the tied teams. if the total differential is tied, it is determined by greatest amount of total goals.
the rules in their entirety here.
"The ranking of each team in each group shall be determined as follows:
a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.
If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria, their rankings shall be determined as follows:
d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the
teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams
concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams"
Explain that explanation of goal differential, I thought it was between the two teams tied for second, as the 1st team has qualified and the fourth is out.
.MASSHOLE.Explain that explanation of goal differential, I thought it was between the two teams tied for second, as the 1st team has qualified and the fourth is out.
it's overall goal differential between all teams in group play
Really proud of the u.s. team today. I'm more concerned with the team playing well than getting results, and today they did both. Now if we play as cleanly defensively as the Ghana game, and as well going forward as the Portugal game, we can hopefully do what we need to do against Germany to get through. Heartbreaking to be so close today to qualifying and not getting it, but that's the way it goes sometimes.
.MASSHOLE.Uh, no it was the worst outcome for us possible. If Ghana had lost, we would have qualified today.
Realistically qualified that is. Mathematically, Portugal would have needed to close the goal differential gap. The tie meant everyone is still in play.
.MASSHOLE.Uh, no it was the worst outcome for us possible. If Ghana had lost, we would have qualified today.
I'm just trying to be optimistic. A win against Germany is not going to be an easy task, unless our defense can play like it did from 10' - 90' but for the entire game instead.
Jozy back in the attack will help if he can be healthy by Thursday, anyways.
Steezy_PI'm just trying to be optimistic. A win against Germany is not going to be an easy task, unless our defense can play like it did from 10' - 90' but for the entire game instead.
Jozy back in the attack will help if he can be healthy by Thursday, anyways.
Honestly, I say play for a tie. Mutually beneficial for both teams, but this is the WC and no one will do that.
Every person who was a Ronaldo nay-sayer today should be rooting for him Thursday.
So proud of this team. Today was an arrow to the heart, but we have come so far, and have played like heroes. Germany should be scared shitless. We are emerging as a major football power. Give credit to Timmy Howard, he came up big when we needed him.
MartianManSo proud of this team. Today was an arrow to the heart, but we have come so far, and have played like heroes. Germany should be scared shitless.
yea.... not at all. The Germans have won this tournament multiple times, and consistently finish in the top 4. it's actually less common for them to NOT go to the semis.
the US is definitely improving which is great to see, but they aren't on that level yet. i'm glad they brought a young squad along because they can use this experience.
(not to mention that if you ask the major competitors, Ghana and Portugal aren't considered the greatest challenges ever)
fujaromeGhana and Portugal aren't considered the greatest challenges ever)
Not the greatest... but very good. Considering we played a weak England team in 2010, as well as Algeria and Slovenia... some serious improvement is obvious, which you mentioned. I would have to agree, we are not exactly on that level yet, but definitely knocking on the door.
fujaromeyea.... not at all. The Germans have won this tournament multiple times, and consistently finish in the top 4. it's actually less common for them to NOT go to the semis.
the US is definitely improving which is great to see, but they aren't on that level yet. i'm glad they brought a young squad along because they can use this experience.
(not to mention that if you ask the major competitors, Ghana and Portugal aren't considered the greatest challenges ever)
I'm aware that Germany is a powerhouse. The scared shitless comment was an exaggerated statement of how well we played today. I'll disagree with you on Ghana and Portugal, but nevertheless I understand that we still have a bit to go. I am just happy to see our overwhelming fan base during the cup, some of my die hard hockey fan friends are now hooked on football, so that is great to see.
You need to bury that goal and maintain possession no matter what at the end of that game. His passing accuracy was fucking terrible that game as well, many passes he tried lofting to touch instead of just driving it on that ground. Absolutely terrible
MartianManSo proud of this team. Today was an arrow to the heart, but we have come so far, and have played like heroes. Germany should be scared shitless. We are emerging as a major football power. Give credit to Timmy Howard, he came up big when we needed him.
You need to bury that goal and maintain possession no matter what at the end of that game. His passing accuracy was fucking terrible that game as well, many passes he tried lofting to touch instead of just driving it on that ground. Absolutely terrible
Are you serious? Two mistakes don't make a terrible game. So many of the u.s. attacks came out of Bradley making a pass out of the back and releasing pressure and allowing the u.s. to go forward. Him and Jones were so much better than they were against Ghana and the reason the u.s. kept possession so much better. Yes, he could have put that chance away and made one big mistake, but he still played quite well. But you're right, his passing can be even better, and he can play even better, which is good, obviously, for the u.s.
WattsAre you serious? Two mistakes don't make a terrible game. So many of the u.s. attacks came out of Bradley making a pass out of the back and releasing pressure and allowing the u.s. to go forward. Him and Jones were so much better than they were against Ghana and the reason the u.s. kept possession so much better. Yes, he could have put that chance away and made one big mistake, but he still played quite well. But you're right, his passing can be even better, and he can play even better, which is good, obviously, for the u.s.
Two massive mistakes absolutely do make a terrible game. Add that on top of his struggles in the ghana match and he's had a piss poor WC so far
His passing was driving me insane, the one that sticks out was him unnecessarily lofting a ball to zusi on the wing where zusi couldnt coral it and it bounced out of bounds...could zusi have handled it better? Probably, but there were no portugese defenders around and that ball needs to be driven on the ground to zusi
I'm almost positive it was Bradley that played a ball behind demps(?) in which the U.S. could have had a 4 on 1 counter after ronaldo failed to try and play defense
Ski_the_east01Two massive mistakes absolutely do make a terrible game. Add that on top of his struggles in the ghana match and he's had a piss poor WC so far
His passing was driving me insane, the one that sticks out was him unnecessarily lofting a ball to zusi on the wing where zusi couldnt coral it and it bounced out of bounds...could zusi have handled it better? Probably, but there were no portugese defenders around and that ball needs to be driven on the ground to zusi
I'm almost positive it was Bradley that played a ball behind demps(?) in which the U.S. could have had a 4 on 1 counter after ronaldo failed to try and play defense
That's just a stupid thing to say. Again, without Bradley all the good things that happened for the u.s. likely wouldn't have happened. The fact that we are criticizing a couple of misplaced passes and talking about how big mistakes they were prove that. There is no way in hell the u.s. tie that game if Bradley played like he had against Ghana. Absolutely none. Yes, he misplaced a few passes, yes he can play better, but the fact of the matter is that there is no one else on this u.s. team who can get close to doing what he does in the center of midfield and he is 100% the guy who determines how well or poorly this u.s. team plays as a whole, and so to demonize him for a couple of mistakes and say he was terrible when he was also the source of almost all the good things that happened for the u.s. is absolutely moronic.
WattsThat's just a stupid thing to say. Again, without Bradley all the good things that happened for the u.s. likely wouldn't have happened. The fact that we are criticizing a couple of misplaced passes and talking about how big mistakes they were prove that. There is no way in hell the u.s. tie that game if Bradley played like he had against Ghana. Absolutely none. Yes, he misplaced a few passes, yes he can play better, but the fact of the matter is that there is no one else on this u.s. team who can get close to doing what he does in the center of midfield and he is 100% the guy who determines how well or poorly this u.s. team plays as a whole, and so to demonize him for a couple of mistakes and say he was terrible when he was also the source of almost all the good things that happened for the u.s. is absolutely moronic.
You brush off a couple of these mistakes like they were tiny infractions. They were both game/world cup changing mistakes. He played better than he did in Ghana but it was still a sub-par performance. This is the world cup and the great players are supposed to elevate their play not make mistakes that compromise their teams chances to move on into elimination play
Passing is the most important element of his game so obviously his accuracy is paramount when it comes to judging his play. It was seriously lacking and it hurt the U.S.
Ski_the_east01You brush off a couple of these mistakes like they were tiny infractions. They were both game/world cup changing mistakes. He played better than he did in Ghana but it was still a sub-par performance. This is the world cup and the great players are supposed to elevate their play not make mistakes that compromise their teams chances to move on into elimination play
Passing is the most important element of his game so obviously his accuracy is paramount when it comes to judging his play. It was seriously lacking and it hurt the U.S.
And you are completely disregarding everything he did except for those few mistakes. They were big mistakes, obviously, but if you look at his performance as a whole it was nowhere near "terrible." The Ghana game was terrible for him, and look how bad the u.s. were as a whole. They were so much better today, and a lot of it is down to Bradley being better, too. Clearly it wasn't Bradley's best game ever, and he can absolutely play better, but he definitely did not have a "terrible" game last night.
Still can't believe that went down like that last night. In hindsight we're still solid and can control our own fate, which if you told any American that 2 weeks ago we would have taken it.
A lot of good things going for us, if at the second half its tied, both teams are going to be playing for a tie, lets hope.
theBearJewStill can't believe that went down like that last night. In hindsight we're still solid and can control our own fate, which if you told any American that 2 weeks ago we would have taken it.
A lot of good things going for us, if at the second half its tied, both teams are going to be playing for a tie, lets hope.
Exactly what I was telling the kids I was watching the game with yesterday. If you said we were going to draw after letting up that early shitty goal you'd be happy with that. Still sucks though.
theBearJewStill can't believe that went down like that last night. In hindsight we're still solid and can control our own fate, which if you told any American that 2 weeks ago we would have taken it.
A lot of good things going for us, if at the second half its tied, both teams are going to be playing for a tie, lets hope.
I know. It still hurts so, so much to think about how close we were to qualifying last night, and to be the first team to do so after how much shit so many people talked about how the u.s. has no chance of getting out of their group.
WattsAnd you are completely disregarding everything he did except for those few mistakes. They were big mistakes, obviously, but if you look at his performance as a whole it was nowhere near "terrible." The Ghana game was terrible for him, and look how bad the u.s. were as a whole. They were so much better today, and a lot of it is down to Bradley being better, too. Clearly it wasn't Bradley's best game ever, and he can absolutely play better, but he definitely did not have a "terrible" game last night.
I think you are focusing on the good and he is focusing the bad exclusively. Bradley plays aggressively and his output is feast or famine. His passing and pace were wily last night and against Ghana. Watch Beasley play and it's no contest. Bradley throws the team off balance and needs to slow down and control the ball. The US is very good at attacking aggressively even if it isn't pristine, but not every play is balls to the wall counter attack and I feel like he doesn't recognize it often enough. I really enjoyed watching Beasley play last night, dude set the pace for the entire team when he controlled it on the outsides. I'd like to see Bradley slow down a little and control the ball. I think the team would do better and he would score as well.
Those two mistakes were inexcusable though, you can't brush them away. One was a mistake he shouldn't have made, but the other was just undisciplined, stupid play.
Dustin.I think you are focusing on the good and he is focusing the bad exclusively. Bradley plays aggressively and his output is feast or famine. His passing and pace were wily last night and against Ghana. Watch Beasley play and it's no contest. Bradley throws the team off balance and needs to slow down and control the ball. The US is very good at attacking aggressively even if it isn't pristine, but not every play is balls to the wall counter attack and I feel like he doesn't recognize it often enough. I really enjoyed watching Beasley play last night, dude set the pace for the entire team when he controlled it on the outsides. I'd like to see Bradley slow down a little and control the ball. I think the team would do better and he would score as well.
Those two mistakes were inexcusable though, you can't brush them away. One was a mistake he shouldn't have made, but the other was just undisciplined, stupid play.
I don't think I'm focusing on the good exclusively. Like I said, he did make a few big mistakes and was inaccurate at times and can certainly play better. I just think it's harsh, and very incorrect, to say he was straight up "terrible."
I definitely agree about wishing Bradley would slow the game down sometimes. There were a few times where he hit through balls (which were normally very good passes in and of themselves) to Dempsey when he was 1 on 3 or 1 on 4 with the Portuguese defense when I was thinking it would be better to hold the ball and get it our wide and wait for the whole team to push forward. He does do it sometimes, when he gives the ball sideways or backwards to Jones or Beckerman, or even out wide, but not often enough. Problem last night was Dempsey was so good that a lot of the times I'd be shaking my head at Bradley going forwards so quickly, Clint would be earning a corner, at which point it's hard to fault the pass too much.
But on the whole I definitely wish the triangle of Beckerman, Jones, Bradley was more focused on possession than counter attacking at times. I think part of the problem is that the u.s. isn't really good enough yet to beat teams with a possession, slow build up style of play yet, and their best chance of creating good chances is that gung ho style of play, which Bradley definitely realizes, and so tries to exploit to a fault.
Dustin.The US is very good at attacking aggressively even if it isn't pristine, but not every play is balls to the wall counter attack and I feel like he doesn't recognize it often enough. I really enjoyed watching Beasley play last night, dude set the pace for the entire team when he controlled it on the outsides. I'd like to see Bradley slow down a little and control the ball. I think the team would do better and he would score as well.
Diskerud is probably our best mid in this regard, which is why I was absolutely shocked that he didn't play yesterday. Portugal is the perfect opponent for his confident, controlled playstyle and I think it would have made all the difference in the last 20 minutes.
Also Klinnsman fucking blew it with that 90th minute sub. You wait till after the 4th official shows the added time to make a time-wasting sub, come on. Every coach in the world knows that.
Ski_the_east01You brush off a couple of these mistakes like they were tiny infractions. They were both game/world cup changing mistakes. He played better than he did in Ghana but it was still a sub-par performance. This is the world cup and the great players are supposed to elevate their play not make mistakes that compromise their teams chances to move on into elimination play
Passing is the most important element of his game so obviously his accuracy is paramount when it comes to judging his play. It was seriously lacking and it hurt the U.S.
Tracking is a pretty important part of the game too, especially for defenders.
Did Bradley fuck up? Yeah he sure did and he's had a terrible WC but there was more than one part of that scenario that went wrong.
I like the person who suggested a mutual draw for Germany-U.S.
the mutual draw would be hilarious, but I'm pretty sure Germany wants to destroy anything in their paths. and FIFA would probably get all pissy and kick both teams out for match fixing.
watching Netherlands-Chile now. surprisingly, it looks like the dutch want a draw whereas Chile came to play
Ski_the_east01True true...his defensive presence and tracking was also poor last night, I wasn't happy with that aspect of his game either
The pass he fucked up on that would have created a 4 on 1 was to bedoya
I meant more Cameron's tracking. Watch that play develop, if he had been on his game that ball easily would have been knocked away. I understand in those conditions, playing for that long that everyone is gassed. Unfortunately with a player of Rinaldo's ability it only takes a tiny slip up for him to capitalize. The guy is a douche, but you have to respect his ability.
