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theBearJewThat or 2 yellows. Do yellows carry over in WC? I thought they did in some tournaments.
RubberSouli hate all the flopping and PKs too but IMO the rules are partly to blame
just because you got fouled in the box is no reason to be given a PK, which is a complete gimme. if youre taken down by the last defender, okay, but a sure goal just because youre in that huge box is a joke
so i shake my head at the floppers and wish they had more respect for themselves and the game, but when you consider the fact that they are shrewd players with victory as their utmost priority, it's a little harder to blame them for taking advantage of poorly constructed rules
RubberSouli hate all the flopping and PKs too but IMO the rules are partly to blame
just because you got fouled in the box is no reason to be given a PK, which is a complete gimme. if youre taken down by the last defender, okay, but a sure goal just because youre in that huge box is a joke
so i shake my head at the floppers and wish they had more respect for themselves and the game, but when you consider the fact that they are shrewd players with victory as their utmost priority, it's a little harder to blame them for taking advantage of poorly constructed rules
Ski_the_east01I think it's very important for the world to see argentina make some sort of run in the cup this year because watching messi play gives soo much credit to how tough these players should be playing the game. Dude does not go down, his goal in the first game was a perfect example
WattsThey do, but only in the sense that if you get too many you'll miss the next match. You can't get a yellow one game, then a yellow the next, and be given a red for it. They also cancel out after the quarterfinals, I think.
Agreed. So many times where a player will be on the endline in the corner of the box and get taken down after beating a defender and be given a penalty, where all he could have done in that position was put a cross in. It's definitely not a perfect system, but I don't know what you'd do to fix it. I guess create a rule about being able to have more indirect freekicks inside the box?
WattsThat said I think it's stupid that that warrants a red card at all. Theres a difference between pressing your forehead against someone else's and headbutting like Zidane. Think it's dumb that such a small action changes a game so completely
omnidataWhat matters is that you were stupid enough to do it in the first place and I agree with that, no matter how light, when you give someone else a headbutt, you do not deserve to be on the pitch in any shape or form.
a_pla5tic_bagAgreed. If you play, and I've been playing all my life and I've never behaved like that in a game. I've been pissed off before but I still never did anything to get me carded. just play the game.
omnidataAny intentional headbutting is illegal in association football and will warrant dismissal by a red card.
it does not matter if you give someone a little love tap or a full blown Glasgow kiss in which you cave in someone's face.
What matters is that you were stupid enough to do it in the first place and I agree with that, no matter how light, when you give someone else a headbutt, you do not deserve to be on the pitch in any shape or form.
RubberSoulneedless to say, fifa needs instant replay review for serious calls. until then, we can talk all day but flopping will still happen and be rewarded
a_pla5tic_bagAgreed. If you play, and I've been playing all my life and I've never behaved like that in a game. I've been pissed off before but I still never did anything to get me carded. just play the game.
Bakerpowyou have never gotten carded? thats rather impressive. especially if youre playing at a high level where youre expected to go in hard on every tackle.
Bakerpowyou have never gotten carded? thats rather impressive. especially if youre playing at a high level where youre expected to go in hard on every tackle.
RubberSoulyeah, calling that a head butt is a joke
theBearJewPersonally I would not be excited to see instant replay added. How would you implement it. If the ref misses a call, game plays on, then do you go back a minute to award a kick? I think not. Part of why soccer is so great is the game flows, clock never stops and just keeps going. What is that call in the Swiss game in stoppage was reviewed, there is no goal, no amazing finish there.
What they could do is penalize for flopping. If you review a foul later and see that it was a clear flop, penalize the player somehow. Award them a yellow?? Idk but that would deter the floppers.
RubberSoulyeah, my knee jerk reaction is to say you simply allow more free kicks inside the box, maybe even direct kicks.. but then giving more discretion to the ref introduces a lot more subjectivity so i can see how people would argue against that. i would even maybe say change the rules about PKs, maybe define it as a foul during a scoring chance? idk it'd be imperfect but as the rules are now it practically begs for cheap plays and flops
omnidataAny intentional headbutting is illegal in association football and will warrant dismissal by a red card.
DingoSeanSTILL NO DRAWS?!
DingoSeanSTILL NO DRAWS?!
DingoSeanSTILL NO DRAWS?!
RubberSoulor is the end of regulation all she wrote at this point?
RubberSoulGOOD
speaking of which, if regulation ends with a tie in these group stage games, do they go to overtime (but no PKs obviously)? or is the end of regulation all she wrote at this point?
RubberSoulGOOD
speaking of which, if regulation ends with a tie in these group stage games, do they go to overtime (but no PKs obviously)? or is the end of regulation all she wrote at this point?
WattsI'm aware, but thanks for the condescension, always appreciated. My point was that I think the automatic red card rule for any kind of headbuttesque action is harsh. If someone actually gets hurt, yes, obviously they should be sent off, but if it's as harmless as what Pepe did, I don't think it should be straight red. Yellow, yes, but kicking the player out of the game entirely seems severe to me.
cornholioi haven't read the whole thread but i keep seeing "no draws is good for the us". can someone explain this to me? why does it matter outside of their group?
cornholioi haven't read the whole thread but i keep seeing "no draws is good for the us". can someone explain this to me? why does it matter outside of their group?
DingoSeanAmericans hate ties.
cornholioi haven't read the whole thread but i keep seeing "no draws is good for the us". can someone explain this to me? why does it matter outside of their group?
omnidataTherefore you celebrate them as victories. ;)
omnidataI don't think it's harsh at all, it shouldn't matter at all if it's harmless or not. Professionals at that level shouldn't respond to provocations with anything but contempt.
Muller got a little palm in the face and overreacted like 90% of players these days, Pepe had no reason to walk back and respond to the provocation. Yet he did it, because he's an immature idiot that prioritizes his own emotional frustration above sportsmanship.
Who cares about how light of a touch it is? It's the act of doing so. But it was harmless is not an argument. Violent conduct is a red card and a headbutt is certainly violent conduct. There is no rational argument you could make against this not being a red card.
ShukovskiIrrefutably a red card for Pepe, can't even see why people are arguing, he went over there and rammed his gob against Muller, touch might have been light but it's the deliberate action that matters.
cornholioi haven't read the whole thread but i keep seeing "no draws is good for the us". can someone explain this to me? why does it matter outside of their group?
DingoSeanHere's some MLS history for you guys...
When it first started, they had no draws. The end of the game would end in the same way that NHL games do now. They had a crazy shootout where the kick takers start from midfield and had to run it in to score, rather than traditional penalty kicks. They had to kick the ball on the run, rather from a spot.
...basically hilarious as shit.
DingoSeanHere's some MLS history for you guys...
When it first started, they had no draws. The end of the game would end in the same way that NHL games do now. They had a crazy shootout where the kick takers start from midfield and had to run it in to score, rather than traditional penalty kicks. They had to kick the ball on the run, rather from a spot.
...basically hilarious as shit.
DingoSeanHere's some MLS history for you guys...
When it first started, they had no draws. The end of the game would end in the same way that NHL games do now. They had a crazy shootout where the kick takers start from midfield and had to run it in to score, rather than traditional penalty kicks. They had to kick the ball on the run, rather from a spot.
...basically hilarious as shit.
Ski_the_east01hahahah I remember that...good stuff. I think they had like 5 or 6 seconds to shoot
DingoSeanHere's some MLS history for you guys...
When it first started, they had no draws. The end of the game would end in the same way that NHL games do now. They had a crazy shootout where the kick takers start from midfield and had to run it in to score, rather than traditional penalty kicks. They had to kick the ball on the run, rather from a spot.
...basically hilarious as shit.
