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idk if there are any personal training certs you can pass in a weekend unless you already have a bachelors in physiology or sports science. If there are it's not going to help snag a legitimate job. They all cost a decent amount of money as well so you are talking out of your ass if you think can just take an online quiz and be certified.
I have no beef with crossfit. So what if they can't run, Olympic lifters probably can't run very well either, at least not laterally. Arnold would probably run an 8 second 40 for all we know. Nick Diaz competes in Iron man competitions and probably cant bench much more than 225.
Crossfit is its own beast and people who excel at crossfit are crossfitters and nothing else. I'd take Rich Froning in a Thai fight any day of the week but there is no way i could ever keep up with him in crossfit (obviously)
Can we all just stop flexing and trying to compare one discipline to another and support each other?
you didn't read my post. What differentiates a coach from someone that holds a certificate is the practical training and education they receive. your certification, regardless of how you got it, is not worth a damn unless you have the practical skills and education to actually coach and athlete.
I don't know what your problem is, I don't know who stuffed you in a locker in high school, but you are such a cancer to this thread... it is beyond me. I have no interest in berating or belittling people in this thread. I posted my results because 1. I am proud of them & 2. they demonstrate the effectiveness of my training. crossfit doesn't claim to train you for a mastery of all skills.
S.J.WIf you actually look at the thread I was mistaken about the form part and admitted I was wrong when California corrected me... but whatever
no i read the thread, it's probably the only time i've seen you admit to being wrong after regurgitating some bs you read on the internet. its mildly amusing you're right back to spitting out your favorite broscience and taking it for 100% truth to act like a know it all again. but whatever
S.J.W. But care to actually post your results, anyone can bullshit on the internet about their results but takes another type of person to back it up with pictures of said results.
You're fucking with the wrong guy about that.
Besides that, there is a place for everything. There are good trainers and bad trainers. There is bro science, a million internet articles and legit sources. Lets put a seal on the dick measuring contests going on. I only come to NS for this thread and one other one because the bullshit is minimal. Don't ruin it.
S.J.WLike I said take what I said with a grain of salt and if cross fit is working for you then stick to it. Which it obviously is. But care to actually post your results, anyone can bullshit on the internet about their results but takes another type of person to back it up with pictures of said results.
here you go. If it wasn't obvious, i am Ben Whitney. I finished 4th of all 94kg lifters and 20th in all weight-classes by Total and Age Sinclair. This is from a spreadsheet I made to analyze the strength/weight ratios of the average and top lifters.
here you go. If it wasn't obvious, i am Ben Whitney. I finished 4th of all 94kg lifters and 20th in all weight-classes by Total and Age Sinclair. This is from a spreadsheet I made to analyze the strength/weight ratios of the average and top lifters.
S.J.WLike I said take what I said with a grain of salt and if cross fit is working for you then stick to it. Which it obviously is. But care to actually post your results, anyone can bullshit on the internet about their results but takes another type of person to back it up with pictures of said results.
Dude, we've all heard the broscience bullshit ragging about crossfit, and it's so obvious that BenWhit is not your average "lol fail" crossfitter. Why you feel the need to speak down to him/us about it perplexes me when it's pretty apparent that he's lightyears beyond you (and most of us) in level/ability.
So much bullshit in this thread recently. I'm with bennedetto, I regularly check NSG for this and only a couple other threads. People have started coming in here and acting like what they know is the only way, or what they know is best across the board. Everyone is different, in goals, level, needs, and constraints, and no one diet/method/split/etc works for all.
mirozPeople have started coming in here and acting like what they know is the only way, or what they know is best across the board. Everyone is different, in goals, level, needs, and constraints, and no one diet/method/split/etc works for all.
what really pissed me off yesterday was this kid doing a crossfitt workout in a non-crossfitt gym, he was all over the fucking place, we have a cage squat rack with a 9ft pull up bar, he was using the pull up bar for those stupid fucking butterfly pull ups, after i finished my dynamic warm up he still wasnt done doing whatever the fuck it was. I think i waited roughly 10 min to use the squat rack, THANKS CROSSFITT!
JayDopewhat really pissed me off yesterday was this kid doing a crossfitt workout in a non-crossfitt gym, he was all over the fucking place, we have a cage squat rack with a 9ft pull up bar, he was using the pull up bar for those stupid fucking butterfly pull ups, after i finished my dynamic warm up he still wasnt done doing whatever the fuck it was. I think i waited roughly 10 min to use the squat rack, THANKS CROSSFITT!
I dream of a day where i can go to a gym that has a whole wall of racks. A WHOLE FREAKIN WALL!!
it'd be glorious.
I looked into crossfit gyms in my area to see if i could just go to open gym hours. A) they all only have open gym on sundays and B) they are all over $120/month WTF!!!
I just want the Washington State Rec Center back. fuck.
californiagrownI dream of a day where i can go to a gym that has a whole wall of racks. A WHOLE FREAKIN WALL!!
it'd be glorious.
I looked into crossfit gyms in my area to see if i could just go to open gym hours. A) they all only have open gym on sundays and B) they are all over $120/month WTF!!!
I just want the Washington State Rec Center back. fuck.
Yeah my old colleges athletic gym was insane, Olympi lifting stations in the middle probably 10 of them and then they had 10 racks just lined up, I had a lot of courses in there. That kid yesterday just really pissed me off "yeah I'm doing pull ups, I'll be done in about 4 min" no, no you're not doing pull ups
JayDopeYeah my old colleges athletic gym was insane, Olympi lifting stations in the middle probably 10 of them and then they had 10 racks just lined up, I had a lot of courses in there. That kid yesterday just really pissed me off "yeah I'm doing pull ups, I'll be done in about 4 min" no, no you're not doing pull ups
its almost impossible to not smile when you see someone "kipping"
Kipping pullup is a different exercise than a pullup. A pushpress is a different exercise than an overhead press etc.
They are all legit movements with their own specific technique. But too many people think theyre the same movements as their non-momentum using original exercise.
Folks who are good at kipped pullups are pretty impressive to watch IMO.
californiagrownKipping pullup is a different exercise than a pullup. A pushpress is a different exercise than an overhead press etc.
They are all legit movements with their own specific technique. But too many people think theyre the same movements as their non-momentum using original exercise.
Folks who are good at kipped pullups are pretty impressive to watch IMO.
What actually is the purpose of this? He was doing those butterfly "pull ups" I've had roughly 3-5 patients who do crossfitt have to come in because of shoulder issues because of this specific movement. Cool to watch? I mean I guess if you enjoy watching someone flop around a bar like a fish out of water? Another story I was at an arts festival and there was a crossfitt booth that had a pull up contest, so after a few drinks and a cheese steak I decided why not try it. Most pull ups in 1 minute, I did 30 strict pull ups. Then I see guys doing this shit and they are all like "ohh he did 50!!" I just had to walk away after that
It is an intense core/upper body work capacity exercise. The problem is many CF gyms jump people into it before they have the shoulder strength to avoid injury.
Most people have severely underdeveloped shoulders. I have trained at a range of CF gyms over the last 8 years. Most do almost nothing to develop shoulder stability and strength especially in rotation. The current gym I use does a good job of pushing people to develop their shoulders through isolation exercises. It catches people off guard since it is a lot of 'body building' movements and not very 'CrossFit.'
develop anaerobic work capacity and maintain intensity in the upper body, more specifically, upper body pulling. It is very easy to develop the push in the upper body using any variety of weighted presses. It is not as easy, however, to develop that same capacity in pulling movements like the chest to bar pull-up and ring/bar muscle-up. Are they conventional exercises? absolutely not, but the origin of the kipping movement is gymnastics. gymnasts use the kip to bring themselves into positions of support over the bar/rings. They are by no means a sculpting or muscle-building exercise, but you can not feasibly press in high volume everyday without also pulling in some capacity, lest you develop an imbalance. Like Cobra said, most gyms/athletes do not take the time to understand the stress this movement places on the shoulder girdle. Using systems like the Crossover-Symmetry iron-scap protocol, among others, will help develop and strengthen the muscles in the shoulder girdle that are not necessarily primary movers.
californiagrownKipping pullup is a different exercise than a pullup. A pushpress is a different exercise than an overhead press etc.
They are all legit movements with their own specific technique. But too many people think theyre the same movements as their non-momentum using original exercise.
Folks who are good at kipped pullups are pretty impressive to watch IMO.
BenWhitdevelop anaerobic work capacity and maintain intensity in the upper body, more specifically, upper body pulling. It is very easy to develop the push in the upper body using any variety of weighted presses. It is not as easy, however, to develop that same capacity in pulling movements like the chest to bar pull-up and ring/bar muscle-up. Are they conventional exercises? absolutely not, but the origin of the kipping movement is gymnastics. gymnasts use the kip to bring themselves into positions of support over the bar/rings. They are by no means a sculpting or muscle-building exercise, but you can not feasibly press in high volume everyday without also pulling in some capacity, lest you develop an imbalance. Like Cobra said, most gyms/athletes do not take the time to understand the stress this movement places on the shoulder girdle. Using systems like the Crossover-Symmetry iron-scap protocol, among others, will help develop and strengthen the muscles in the shoulder girdle that are not necessarily primary movers.
Of course you guys support kipping...
anything kipping can accomplish strict pull ups can accomplish. It's a pointless movement because it relies so heavily on momentum. its shoulder impingement waiting to happen.
This is so much more respectable than the shit they do in Crossfit.
_Fluffy_Of course you guys support kipping...
anything kipping can accomplish strict pull ups can accomplish. It's a pointless movement because it relies so heavily on momentum. its shoulder impingement waiting to happen.
This is so much more respectable than the shit they do in Crossfit.
wrong. you cannot maintain intensity at volume with strict pull-ups.
BenWhitwrong. you cannot maintain intensity at volume with strict pull-ups.
Then go to the cable pull down machine and do 100 reps or row 5000 meters. Kipping is surely not a revolutionary exercise changing the way people improve muscle endurance in the upper body...
A kipping pull up is not at all the same as a muscle up on olympic rings. a muscle up on olympic rings is infinitely harder than kipping like a dieing fish to do 50 half ass pull ups.
_Fluffy_Then go to the cable pull down machine and do 100 reps or row 5000 meters. Kipping is surely not a revolutionary exercise changing the way people improve muscle endurance in the upper body...
A kipping pull up is not at all the same as a muscle up on olympic rings. a muscle up on olympic rings is infinitely harder than kipping like a dieing fish to do 50 half ass pull ups.
listen, man. I don't shit all over thai boxing despite the fact that i give zero fucks about you, your piss poor strength numbers, or the sport you choose to practice. If you want to spend your days rolling around with a bunch of sweaty half-naked dudes, feel free.
no one has argued the movement is revolutionary, but it is essentially in the development of gymnatics skill, lending to the bar muscle-up/front up-rise and ring muscle-up/front up-rise.
you might get hurt deadlifting. you might get hurt boxing. you might get hurt walking down the street. part of being an athlete and taking your fitness seriously is understanding strength/skill development & preventative maintenance. if you don't have the strength/awareness to maintain sound positioning, then you shouldn't be kipping pull-ups. Developing the skill and total body strength to arch-hollow and use your hips to elevate your body is an essential skill in crossfit.
i don't know who shit in your shoe this morning, but you can take your bullshit and get it the fuck outta here.
BenWhiti retract my previous sentiment about everyone being nice to each other. let the bloodbath begin.
BenWhitlisten, man. I don't shit all over thai boxing despite the fact that i give zero fucks about you, your piss poor strength numbers, or the sport you choose to practice. If you want to spend your days rolling around with a bunch of sweaty half-naked dudes, feel free.
BenWhityou bet your ass i am. I'll stuff your vegan ass in the trash can in the locker room then steal yo bitch.
I bet I could tap you out in less than a minute. That articles only argument for impingement is that it only happens when you have bad form. Most people have poor shoulder mobility and cant do a proper pull up at all. Kipping is a specialized skill, just like kicking is in Muay Thai. They are both more dangerous than they are beneficial, which is why you have to warn people of the inherit dangers.
anything kipping can accomplish strict pull ups can accomplish. It's a pointless movement because it relies so heavily on momentum. its shoulder impingement waiting to happen.
This is so much more respectable than the shit they do in Crossfit.
_Fluffy_I bet I could tap you out in less than a minute. That articles only argument for impingement is that it only happens when you have bad form. Most people have poor shoulder mobility and cant do a proper pull up at all. Kipping is a specialized skill, just like kicking is in Muay Thai. They are both more dangerous than they are beneficial, which is why you have to warn people of the inherit dangers.
You can't tap me out when I'm holding your punk ass over my head.
WARN. Not tell people they are virtually useless and shouldn't be practiced. WARN.
Pulling on a horizontal plane vs a vertical one is a much safer movement patter for the shoulder.
So we will just agree that a pull up and not the same thing and one is used to build muscle while the other is just so you can tell people how many you can do.
_Fluffy_which is why a row would be a much better choice
Rowing on the erg does not closely resemble nor replicate pulling ones body weight. The more reasonable suggestion would be a ring row... Which is a scale for people who cannot pull their own body weight.
BenWhitRowing on the erg does not closely resemble nor replicate pulling ones body weight. The more reasonable suggestion would be a ring row... Which is a scale for people who cannot pull their own body weight.
But using a ring instead of a bar is much safer for the shoulder joint. Kipping is begging for an injury. Statistically rugby is safer than Crossfit and garbage pull ups are one of the biggest reasons.
"Kipping pull-ups like these other gymnastic movements place a large amount of stress on the shoulder joint and it's surrounding musculature
Firing the musculature at the right time is important in minimizing stresses on the shoulder (Proprioceptive training)
Technique becomes critical
Learning how to position the humeral head properly into the glenoid is critical. (Sounds a lot like shoulder packing)
Why else might crossfit athletes get injured doing kipping pullups.
Poor flexibility – If you don't have the mobility to put your arms fully overhead, kipping pullups end up being an end range stretching exercise under a lot of load(your bodyweight)
Poor Technique and No Shoulder Packing – These studies emphasize the importance of technique and putting the humeral head into a healthy position
Fatigue – It's natural to lose form when you get tired. Crossfit is notorious for fatiguing people. Once the musculature that surrounds the shoulder fatigues, you won't be able to maintain a shoulder packed, healthy shoulder position. Now you're hanging on the labrum and ligaments within the shoulder joint and those articular(joint) forces go up just as in the study above."
we we are trying to build the body, not destroy it.
_Fluffy_But using a ring instead of a bar is much safer for the shoulder joint. Kipping is begging for an injury. Statistically rugby is safer than Crossfit and garbage pull ups are one of the biggest reasons.
"Kipping pull-ups like these other gymnastic movements place a large amount of stress on the shoulder joint and it's surrounding musculature
Firing the musculature at the right time is important in minimizing stresses on the shoulder (Proprioceptive training)
Technique becomes critical
Learning how to position the humeral head properly into the glenoid is critical. (Sounds a lot like shoulder packing)
Why else might crossfit athletes get injured doing kipping pullups.
Poor flexibility – If you don't have the mobility to put your arms fully overhead, kipping pullups end up being an end range stretching exercise under a lot of load(your bodyweight)
Poor Technique and No Shoulder Packing – These studies emphasize the importance of technique and putting the humeral head into a healthy position
Fatigue – It's natural to lose form when you get tired. Crossfit is notorious for fatiguing people. Once the musculature that surrounds the shoulder fatigues, you won't be able to maintain a shoulder packed, healthy shoulder position. Now you're hanging on the labrum and ligaments within the shoulder joint and those articular(joint) forces go up just as in the study above."
we we are trying to build the body, not destroy it.
I wax poetic on technique, body awareness, strength development, fatigue management, etc. every time I post in here.
I really hope someone rocks you right square in the ballsack at your next tiddliewinks practice, or whatever you call it.
_Fluffy_But using a ring instead of a bar is much safer for the shoulder joint. Kipping is begging for an injury. Statistically rugby is safer than Crossfit and garbage pull ups are one of the biggest reasons.
"Kipping pull-ups like these other gymnastic movements place a large amount of stress on the shoulder joint and it's surrounding musculature
Firing the musculature at the right time is important in minimizing stresses on the shoulder (Proprioceptive training)
Technique becomes critical
Learning how to position the humeral head properly into the glenoid is critical. (Sounds a lot like shoulder packing)
Why else might crossfit athletes get injured doing kipping pullups.
Poor flexibility – If you don't have the mobility to put your arms fully overhead, kipping pullups end up being an end range stretching exercise under a lot of load(your bodyweight)
Poor Technique and No Shoulder Packing – These studies emphasize the importance of technique and putting the humeral head into a healthy position
Fatigue – It's natural to lose form when you get tired. Crossfit is notorious for fatiguing people. Once the musculature that surrounds the shoulder fatigues, you won't be able to maintain a shoulder packed, healthy shoulder position. Now you're hanging on the labrum and ligaments within the shoulder joint and those articular(joint) forces go up just as in the study above."
we we are trying to build the body, not destroy it.
Who's arguing against using proper form or using good technique? A good crossfit gym/coach will assess and scale workouts according to the abilities/mobility/etc of their clients, just like any other good trainer...
saskskierI'm not comparing the two. I'm saying it's stupid to take a youtube video highlighting idiots and then use that as an example to prove your point.
even more than half the fails in his video were general weightlifting or oly fails, a lot of that stuff isn't even crossfit specific. haters gonna hate i guess
