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DlCKWhy do you continue to attempt to insult me?

I never said someone can gain weight by burning more calories...

That's not an insult. An insult would be when you called me an asshole.

And you very clearly disagreed with my assertion that calories in vs calories out is THE determining factor in weight loss. Now you are arguing semantics.

In any case, if you want to have a respectful discussion instead of a dick measuring contest I'd be more than happy. Till then, have a great day training clients at the gym!

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californiagrownThat's not an insult. An insult would be when you called me an asshole.

And you very clearly disagreed with my assertion that calories in vs calories out is THE determining factor in weight loss. Now you are arguing semantics.

In any case, if you want to have a respectful discussion instead of a dick measuring contest I'd be more than happy. Till then, have a great day training clients at the gym!

you attempted to insult my intelligence. Nobody said cals in vs cals out doesnt matter, but it is NOT the determining factor.

Im not the one ignoring science bro.

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DlCKyou attempted to insult my intelligence. Nobody said cals in vs cals out doesnt matter, but it is NOT the determining factor.

Im not the one ignoring science bro.

If CICO is not the determining factor for weight-loss why did this guy lose weight?

http://www.today.com/health/man-loses-56-pounds-after-eating-only-mcdonalds-six-months-2D79329158

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.MASSHOLE.If CICO is not the determining factor for weight-loss why did this guy lose weight?

http://www.today.com/health/man-loses-56-pounds-after-eating-only-mcdonalds-six-months-2D79329158

it doesnt say man loses 56 pound after eating only ice cream and soda.

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DlCKit doesnt say man loses 56 pound after eating only ice cream and soda.

I guess McDonalds is healthier than ice cream and soda. /s

Did you miss the part where he mentioned he only ate 2000 calories a day?

How about this then?

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/08/13/432087757/you-don-t-need-to-go-low-carb-to-burn-body-fat-study-says

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"Proponents of the “Calories in, Calories out” way of thinking say that the only thing that matters when it comes to weight loss is calories, disregarding completely the metabolic and hormonal impact of foods."

"Different foods go through different metabolic pathways. Some foods can cause hormone changes that encourage weight gain, while other foods can increase satiety and boost the metabolic rate."

"Another thing to keep in mind that long-term dieting will reduce your metabolic rate.

If you were to cut calorie intake by 10%, it would only work for some time until your metabolic rate would adapt and you would stop losing. Then you would have to cut calories again, then again…

The body tries desperately to maintain its fat mass. This is called the body fat setpoint and is regulated by the hypothalamus. If you don’t change your diet, only the amount of foods you eat, then your set point won’t change.

If your weight goes below your set point, your brain responds by decreasing your calorie expenditure (calories out) and increasing your calorie intake (calories in)."

"One of the key problems with the “calories in, calories out” way of thinking is that it doesn’t account for other health effects of foods.

The fact is that different foods can have varying effects on our health.

For example, trans fats can lead to inflammation, insulin resistance and all the horror that follows, including cardiovascular disease and type II diabetes (12, 13).

Another example is fructose. When consumed in large amounts (from added sugars, not fruit), it can lead to insulin resistance, elevated cholesterol and triglycerides and increased abdominal obesity (14).

There are many examples of foods having harmful effects that have little to do with their caloric content.

Also, being at a healthy weight does NOT guarantee that you are healthy, in the same way that being obese does not necessarily mean that you are unhealthy.

Even though these metabolic problems are more common among obese individuals, many obese individuals are metabolically healthy and many lean people have the metabolic syndrome and can succumb to heart disease and type II diabetes (15).

Optimal nutrition and disease prevention go way beyond just calories."

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You are a copy-and-paste machine. Did you even check the citations from that?

I truly question your ability to interpret and logically formulate arguments.

Aug 14 2015 12:54PM

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Lets just go with this, from a .gov website, not some blog.

"A lack of energy balance most often causes overweight and obesity. Energy balance means that your energy IN equals your energy OUT.
Energy IN is the amount of energy or calories you get from food and drinks. Energy OUT is the amount of energy your body uses for things like breathing, digesting, and being physically active.

To maintain a healthy weight, your energy IN and OUT don't have to balance exactly every day. It's the balance over time that helps you maintain a healthy weight.

The same amount of energy IN and energy OUT over time = weight stays the same
More energy IN than energy OUT over time = weight gain
More energy OUT than energy IN over time = weight loss
Overweight and obesity happen over time when you take in more calories than you use."

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/obe/causes

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.MASSHOLE.If CICO is not the determining factor for weight-loss why did this guy lose weight?

http://www.today.com/health/man-loses-56-pounds-after-eating-only-mcdonalds-six-months-2D79329158

food also has a lot to do with how you feel mentally and how you handle stresses in your life. More and more mental functions are being connected to your gut. That is also my motivation for eating right 90% of the time. The other 10% I got off the rails

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.MASSHOLE.You are a copy-and-paste machine. Did you even check the citations from that?

I truly question your ability to interpret and logically formulate arguments.

Why cant this be a logical and respectful debate. Why do you insist on insulting me for presenting information you disagree with.

None of my college professors have questioned my ability to interpret and logically formulate compelling arguments. In fact, throughout my college career I have been celebrated by receiving A's on almost every paper I write.

Ill go ahead and cite my sources for you so as not to cause any confusion as to whether the information Ive presented is credible or not.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17228046
http://www.nutritionj.com/content/3/1/9
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/5
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23280226
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jc.2003-031855
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18469287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6347500
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17228046
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2002-021480
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/135/3/562.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2673878/

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californiagrownSo you guys have proved the 2nd law of thermodynamics to be false?

Having correct macros is certainly an easier way to alter body comp, but if you think eating at a sustained calric deficit will not force your body to lose weight, idk what to tell you.

THIS IS TOO PERFECT!

http://www.nutritionj.com/content/3/1/9

"A calorie is a calorie" violates the second law of thermodynamics"

A review of simple thermodynamic principles shows that weight change on isocaloric diets is not expected to be independent of path (metabolism of macronutrients) and indeed such a general principle would be a violation of the second law. Homeostatic mechanisms are able to insure that, a good deal of the time, weight does not fluctuate much with changes in diet – this might be said to be the true "miraculous metabolic effect" – but it is subject to many exceptions. The idea that this is theoretically required in all cases is mistakenly based on equilibrium, reversible conditions that do not hold for living organisms and an insufficient appreciation of the second law. The second law of thermodynamics says that variation of efficiency for different metabolic pathways is to be expected. Thus, ironically the dictum that a "calorie is a calorie" violates the second law of thermodynamics, as a matter of principle.

The analysis above might be said to be over-kill although it is important, intellectually, not to invoke the laws of thermodynamics inappropriately. There are also, however, practical consequences. The seriousness of the obesity epidemic suggests that we attack it with all the means at our disposal. Metabolic advantage with low carbohydrate diets is well established in the literature. It does not always occur but the important point is that it can occur. To ignore its possibilities and to not investigate the precise conditions under which it appears would be cutting ourselves off from potential benefit. The extent to which metabolic advantage will have significant impact in treating obesity is unknown and it is widely said in studies of low carbohydrate diets that "more work needs to be done." However, if the misconception is perpetuated that there is a violation of physical laws, that work will not be done, and if done, will go unpublished due to editorial resistance. Attacking the obesity epidemic will involve giving up many old ideas that have not been productive. "A calorie is a calorie" might be a good place to start.

IM A RESEARCH MACHINE

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DlCKWhy cant this be a logical and respectful debate. Why do you insist on insulting me for presenting information you disagree with.

None of my college professors have questioned my ability to interpret and logically formulate compelling arguments. In fact, throughout my college career I have been celebrated by receiving A's on almost every paper I write.

Ill go ahead and cite my sources for you so as not to cause any confusion as to whether the information Ive presented is credible or not.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17228046
http://www.nutritionj.com/content/3/1/9
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/5
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23280226
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jc.2003-031855
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18469287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6347500
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17228046
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2002-021480
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/135/3/562.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2673878/

I question your ability to formulate arguments and reason because you have ignored every single attempt by other posters to agree with your stance that food choices play a ROLE, but CICO plays a larger role in PURE weight loss attempts.

Hell, even many of your sources see to agree with that.

"Although any dietary or lifestyle change must be personalized, controlled energy intake in association with a moderately elevated protein intake may represent an effective and practical weight-loss strategy." (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18469287)

"Children who consume more than 265 ml (9 oz) of soda per day have a 15% higher energy intake than those who do not regularly consume soft drinks (57), and for each sugar-sweetened beverage consumed, both body mass index and the frequency of obesity in children are increased." (http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2003-031855)

"Obesity and type 2 diabetes are occurring at epidemic rates in the United States and many parts of the world. The "obesity epidemic" appears to have emerged largely from changes in our diet and reduced physical activity. An important but not well-appreciated dietary change has been the substantial increase in the amount of dietary fructose consumption from high intake of sucrose and high fructose corn syrup, a common sweetener used in the food industry." (http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/5)

Do you know what all those bolded sections have in common? The fact that they relate to energy expenditure, something that plays the key role in weight gain/weight loss.

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.MASSHOLE.I question your ability to formulate arguments and reason because you have ignored every single attempt by other posters to agree with your stance that food choices play a ROLE, but CICO plays a larger role in PURE weight loss attempts.

Hell, even many of your sources see to agree with that.

"Although any dietary or lifestyle change must be personalized, controlled energy intake in association with a moderately elevated protein intake may represent an effective and practical weight-loss strategy." (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18469287)

"Children who consume more than 265 ml (9 oz) of soda per day have a 15% higher energy intake than those who do not regularly consume soft drinks (57), and for each sugar-sweetened beverage consumed, both body mass index and the frequency of obesity in children are increased." (http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2003-031855)

"Obesity and type 2 diabetes are occurring at epidemic rates in the United States and many parts of the world. The "obesity epidemic" appears to have emerged largely from changes in our diet and reduced physical activity. An important but not well-appreciated dietary change has been the substantial increase in the amount of dietary fructose consumption from high intake of sucrose and high fructose corn syrup, a common sweetener used in the food industry." (http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/5)

Do you know what all those bolded sections have in common? The fact that they relate to energy expenditure, something that plays the key role in weight gain/weight loss.

Im here to take care of the garbage not pick the flowers.

My only point is that what you eat is at the very least, as important as how much energy you exert.

What the research shows is that what you eat effects how much energy your body exerts.

A calorie is not just a calorie. A fructose calorie is not a protein calorie and is not metabolically the same as a protein calorie.

Im not ignoring energy expenditure I'm concentrating on what effect energy expenditure at the metabolic level.

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louie.miragsfood also has a lot to do with how you feel mentally and how you handle stresses in your life. More and more mental functions are being connected to your gut. That is also my motivation for eating right 90% of the time. The other 10% I got off the rails

Have you read "It starts with food"?

Your post is pretty much the entire premise of the book. KUDOS!

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DlCKTHIS IS TOO PERFECT!

http://www.nutritionj.com/content/3/1/9

"A calorie is a calorie" violates the second law of thermodynamics"

A review of simple thermodynamic principles shows that weight change on isocaloric diets is not expected to be independent of path (metabolism of macronutrients) and indeed such a general principle would be a violation of the second law. Homeostatic mechanisms are able to insure that, a good deal of the time, weight does not fluctuate much with changes in diet – this might be said to be the true "miraculous metabolic effect" – but it is subject to many exceptions. The idea that this is theoretically required in all cases is mistakenly based on equilibrium, reversible conditions that do not hold for living organisms and an insufficient appreciation of the second law. The second law of thermodynamics says that variation of efficiency for different metabolic pathways is to be expected. Thus, ironically the dictum that a "calorie is a calorie" violates the second law of thermodynamics, as a matter of principle.

The analysis above might be said to be over-kill although it is important, intellectually, not to invoke the laws of thermodynamics inappropriately. There are also, however, practical consequences. The seriousness of the obesity epidemic suggests that we attack it with all the means at our disposal. Metabolic advantage with low carbohydrate diets is well established in the literature. It does not always occur but the important point is that it can occur. To ignore its possibilities and to not investigate the precise conditions under which it appears would be cutting ourselves off from potential benefit. The extent to which metabolic advantage will have significant impact in treating obesity is unknown and it is widely said in studies of low carbohydrate diets that "more work needs to be done." However, if the misconception is perpetuated that there is a violation of physical laws, that work will not be done, and if done, will go unpublished due to editorial resistance. Attacking the obesity epidemic will involve giving up many old ideas that have not been productive. "A calorie is a calorie" might be a good place to start.

IM A RESEARCH MACHINE

You didn't understand what you pasted. It's talking about how certain food are metabolically advantageous ie certain carbs will allow your body to metabolically burn off more calories than others.

The point of CICO holds true, as does the 2nd law of thermodynamics dynamics.

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DlCKAs a personal trainer and diet enthusiast, this is the absolute worst advice anyone could give someone trying lose weight or gain weight.

ignore everything this guys just wrote.

Ok, because it has worked for world class body builders and weight lifters, so you do you.

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californiagrownYou didn't understand what you pasted. It's talking about how certain food are metabolically advantageous ie certain carbs will allow your body to metabolically burn off more calories than others.

The point of CICO holds true, as does the 2nd law of thermodynamics dynamics.

cobra_commanderOk, because it has worked for world class body builders and weight lifters, so you do you.

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As someone with a BSc in BioChemistry, and owns a rehab/training facility, I can say that this thread sucks.

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SurfaceHoarAs someone with a BSc in BioChemistry, and owns a rehab/training facility, I can say that this thread sucks.

Could you elaborate? Apparently I'm extremely misguided.

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SurfaceHoarAs someone with a BSc in BioChemistry, and owns a rehab/training facility, I can say that this thread sucks.

Might as well make things interesting and back up your call out with some names, accusations, insults, or arguments.

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PR'd on squat and deadlift in the last week, hit 405 on DL and 275 on squat. Pretty stoked considering i couldn't do an air squat in December.

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Ridiculous

keeping this for future reference

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KronorPR'd on squat and deadlift in the last week, hit 405 on DL and 275 on squat. Pretty stoked considering i couldn't do an air squat in December.

Tough air squat to 275 in 8 months? Coming off an injury or what?

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-benedettoTough air squat to 275 in 8 months? Coming off an injury or what?

it gotta be either an injury or he was a big fatso 8 months ago and lost it all.

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_Fluffy_it gotta be either an injury or he was a big fatso 8 months ago and lost it all.

Or he was just a beginner and didn't have the mobility and coordination to properly squat.

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californiagrownOr he was just a beginner and didn't have the mobility and coordination to properly squat.

doubt it.

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SurfaceHoarAs someone with a BSc in BioChemistry, and owns a rehab/training facility, I can say that this thread sucks.

Congratulations, now get the fuck out.

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_Fluffy_it gotta be either an injury or he was a big fatso 8 months ago and lost it all.

Used to weigh about 230, in December I dropped to about 175 and still didn't have much mobility so I started stretching and doing some yoga before lifts. The main flexibility issue was my hip flexors.

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KronorUsed to weigh about 230, in December I dropped to about 175 and still didn't have much mobility so I started stretching and doing some yoga before lifts. The main flexibility issue was my hip flexors.

It is with most people. congrats on the weight loss!

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Bump!

Pretty much achieved all my summer goals: 5x5 at 225 on bench, squats back up to about where I was pre-injury. Stoked on that! Deadlifts felt heavy today, I'll have to work on those...

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mirozBump!

Pretty much achieved all my summer goals: 5x5 at 225 on bench, squats back up to about where I was pre-injury. Stoked on that! Deadlifts felt heavy today, I'll have to work on those...

Hell yeah I'd love to bench 2 plates for a 5x5, congrats!

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Sick for the past 4 days so I haven't worked out since Friday and not planning to again till at least Monday. Sucks. Do I hit the ground running and continue my workout or go by feel and maybe a deload to get back into it? What are your guys experiences with breaks from sickness or in general. Before this, my biggest lapse in working out may have been a week but rarely, if ever, in 2 years. I have frequently gone 3 or 4 days without working out as a mini break once a month.

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-benedettodeload

Coach told me this week was a de-load week. Turns out, it was opposite week.

Last two days conditioning pieces:

5RFT:

6 DL @ 315
12 Toes-to-bar
24 Double Unders

3 RDS for quality:
10 strict pull-ups
10 weighted sit-ups or GHD weighted SU
30 Cal Assault Bike (Hard, consistent pace)

5 RFT:

5 Ring muscle-ip + 1 dip after every muscle up
5 Power Clean 225
6 Box jump over "30

then...

3:00 row, rest :90
2:00 row, rest :60
1:00 row, rest :30
then repeat in reverse.

I'm smoked today.

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Crispy.Hell yeah I'd love to bench 2 plates for a 5x5, congrats!

I'd love to bench the bar 5 for 5

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S.J.WI'd love to bench the bar 5 for 5

eat animals, kill things

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Holy shit, feels so good being back in the gym after 2 months off. Fuck hernias.

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thats awesome dude

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I never understood why people go to the gym? Is it a self confidence thing, or self conscious thing?

Personally I stay fit by rock climbing, hiking, kayaking, SUPing, ski touring, etc... I just find these activities far more stimulating than going to a gym?

I guess different strokes for different folks. Obviously I'm not super built, but I have no desire or need to be. I'm confident in myself, never feel the need to get in a fight, and have women flocking to me, so I really don't see the benefit.

Just curious why you guys go to the gym and if you have really thought about it.

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TheBigAppleI never understood why people go to the gym? Is it a self confidence thing, or self conscious thing?

Personally I stay fit by rock climbing, hiking, kayaking, SUPing, ski touring, etc... I just find these activities far more stimulating than going to a gym?

I guess different strokes for different folks. Obviously I'm not super built, but I have no desire or need to be. I'm confident in myself, never feel the need to get in a fight, and have women flocking to me, so I really don't see the benefit.

Just curious why you guys go to the gym and if you have really thought about it.

For me at least, the gym is a place where I get to be by myself and just unwind. Plus I transformed myself from unhealthy to fit and nwo I'm addicted to going. Plus your constantly bettering yourself and witnessing yourself reach strength goals and what not

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TheBigAppleI never understood why people go to the gym? Is it a self confidence thing, or self conscious thing?

Personally I stay fit by rock climbing, hiking, kayaking, SUPing, ski touring, etc... I just find these activities far more stimulating than going to a gym?

I guess different strokes for different folks. Obviously I'm not super built, but I have no desire or need to be. I'm confident in myself, never feel the need to get in a fight, and have women flocking to me, so I really don't see the benefit.

Just curious why you guys go to the gym and if you have really thought about it.

Because I can't rock climb, hike, kayak, whatever SUPing is, or ski tour everyday...

Plus, its about staying active and healthy. Also about maximizing potential and looking good while doing it. Nothing about fighting.

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TheBigAppleI never understood why people go to the gym?

this thread is not for you

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TheBigAppleI never understood why people go to the gym? Is it a self confidence thing, or self conscious thing?

Personally I stay fit by rock climbing, hiking, kayaking, SUPing, ski touring, etc... I just find these activities far more stimulating than going to a gym?

I guess different strokes for different folks. Obviously I'm not super built, but I have no desire or need to be. I'm confident in myself, never feel the need to get in a fight, and have women flocking to me, so I really don't see the benefit.

Just curious why you guys go to the gym and if you have really thought about it.

In no particular order I go to the gym because:

I work 50ish hours a week and run out of sunlight to do outdoor activities on weekdays.
Getting strong, and building "cushion" in the gym has prevented a number of injuries.
Getting strong and powerful in the gym allows me to perform significantly better at skiing and mtb.
Looking like a calvin Klein underwear model when naked complements my personality when pursuing women romantically.
I like the fact that I can protect friends and family if an asshole starts hassling us to the point of violence.

All pretty good reasons, I think, to go to the gym.

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TheBigAppleI just find these activities far more stimulating than going to a gym?

I guess different strokes for different folks. Obviously I'm not super built, but I have no desire or need to be. I'm confident in myself, never feel the need to get in a fight, and have women flocking to me, so I really don't see the benefit.

Try to be less insulting next time.

I could say I exercise to stuff kids like you in lockers, but that's not the case. I exercise because of the following...

It's an activity my girlfriend and I share together
I push myself harder in the gym than any where else
I look & feel better than I ever have
I'm more mobile, agile, and flexible... especially on skis
My brand of exercise is competitive. I enter local competitions and compete against other athletes
It is an excellent stress reliever

You don't go to the gym because you don't want to. You just answered your own question. I'm sure your perception of exercise was molded by meatheads and bodybuilders. Now, you can see yourself out.

Sep 1 2015 2:49PM

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BenWhitTry to be less insulting next time.

I could say I exercise to stuff kids like you in lockers, but that's not the case. I exercise because of the following...

It's an activity my girlfriend and I share together
I push myself harder in the gym than any where else
I look & feel better than I ever have
I'm more mobile, agile, and flexible... especially on skis
My brand of exercise is competitive. I enter local competitions and compete against other athletes
It is an excellent stress reliever

You don't go to the gym because you don't want to. You just answered your own question. I'm sure your perception of exercise was molded by meatheads and bodybuilders. Now, you can see yourself out.

Those are all valid reasons, thank you for the reply. I'm not here to argue over opinions I was just looking for answers. My post wasn't insulting, and fortunately for me, there are no lockers at my office for people to stuff my middle aged skinny ass into.

I have dabbled with the gym for a few months here and a few months there. I already have to spend way to much on food to support my metabolism I can't imagine adding 20 or 30 lbs more muscle.

Sep 1 2015 4:43PM

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TheBigAppleThose are all valid reasons, thank you for the reply. I'm not here to argue over opinions I was just looking for answers. My post wasn't insulting, and fortunately for me, there are no lockers at my office for people to stuff my middle aged skinny ass into.

I have dabbled with the gym for a few months here and a few months there. I already have to spend way to much on food to support my metabolism I can't imagine adding 20 or 30 lbs more muscle.

Haha 20-30lbs more muscle. Sure.

Sep 1 2015 5:13PM

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