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hey-dude-its-me
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The creator of 'The gym.. Getting big' asked for her thread to be deleted for some reason so I made this one
Mar 4 2014 12:46PM
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Toasty.
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For a guy that can put on weight really easy after losing 100, 20 pounds is like on the low end from what it could be.

And I just think hip thrusters are a strange exercise. Mostly see girls doing them right in front of the mirror.
Apr 6 2014 12:27AM
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californiagrown
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so dont comment about things you dont know about. Ask about things you dont know about...you just might learn someting.

Heres a quick article to get you started-https://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/rack_hip_thrusts

If you want to learn more about the mechanics of why glute training is very important go here-http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/dispelling_the_glute_myth


I personally need to do everything i can to get my glutes working as i cannot feel them when squating, only when doing bulgarian split squats or lighter weight hip hinge stuff.

As for your bulk, i have no doubt you could put on 20lbs. But i hope you realize that the bulk then cut strategy is not the only one out there. I never understood why folks didnt just choose to stay cut up while putting on muscle(albeit a little slower than dirty bulking). the point of lifting upper body for 99% of us is aesthetic, so why would you activly choose to look like shit for 9 months out of the year? I dont know if that is your strategy, but i never understood why people do that.
Apr 6 2014 12:59AM
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Toasty.
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By all means man I didn't mean to come off like a dick. My bad.

And for my bulk, after losing 100 pounds I have a flat stomach with some puffyness, but it kinda hangs (not to be gross) so I like to think it's possible skinny fat, cause I did like alllll cardio while losing that weight, hardly any weight training. So I have been eating very clean food, and trying to bulk on it. the last thing im about to do is throw out my 2 years of hardwork for some sick biceps.. but upping my calories, to about 3300 and I have seen some gains all over and my stomach is starting to get tighter as well as chest. And I have been taking creatine and it has made my strength go up an insane amount.

Now trying to figure out what program/spilt I wanna do. More strength based, or muscle building.
Apr 6 2014 1:25AM
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louie.mirags
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Weight training and clean eating doesn't equate to you bulking up like Arnold Schwarzenegger as soon as you touch some weights... You'll be fine

I lost 65 lbs last year with clean eating and mainly hiking and being active and then started hitting the gym and weight lifting last june. I made the switch to weight lifting because I learned in class that it burns fat upto 24hrs verses cardio which last for 2 hours after a workout. I still hike/ski and will also be bike riding. The weight lifting and getting "sick biceps" did not throw out any of my progress. Overall I feel amazing and my body has adjusted well. I'm 5'10 ~185lbs.

Not sure what you really mean about what I quoted. What do you think is going to happen? Why would it throw out your progress?
Apr 6 2014 1:42AM
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Toasty.
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^ Eating 5000 calories and just getting fat for some big arms like a lot of the navy guys in my gym.
Apr 6 2014 1:47AM
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louie.mirags
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hmm yeah I always wondered how/why some dudes are so fat but in the gym so much. I figured too many cheeseburgers. I never think that they are purposely getting that inflated just to eventually get cut. I am probably wrong since I am fairly new to weight lifting.

Speaking of Navy dudes I am a prior one. I was fat though in the Navy. It wasn't until I got out and felt better about life did I finally take control and lose some weight.
Apr 6 2014 1:53AM
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DIX~
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Some people lift for reasons other than to look good mang.
Apr 6 2014 2:50AM
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louie.mirags
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what would those reasons be? Not all of them are going into competitions? So besides being fit/healthy and looking good, what else is there? The overall reason any dude is working out is the pursuit of pussy (unless it's to attract dudes). I mean we were talking about fat dudes in the gym with the goal of bulking up. So they are trying to get jacked. Which also means trying to look good. Some of them just eat too much and eat shitty foods. What am I missing?
Apr 6 2014 3:04AM
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louie.mirags
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dub post but I forgot to include getting in shape for a sport.. but that doesn't explain the fat weight lifting crowd
Apr 6 2014 3:06AM
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californiagrown
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powerlifting there bub. like you said; youre pretty new to this whole weightlifting thing.
Apr 6 2014 3:13AM
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louie.mirags
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Yeah, but part of the motivation to powerlift would be looking good. Like I said the motivation to succeed most always goes back to the pursuit of pussy. All right there bub... that work for you?
Apr 6 2014 3:19AM
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flatland
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No need to act condescending when you said yourself that you were uneducated about the topic. Powerlifting is all about moving the maximum amount of weight possible in the squat, bench press, and deadlift. To be competitive, especially at a high level of powerlifting, strength athletes need to consume a massive amount of calories as a large caloric surplus is the easiest way for powerlifters to continue to build muscle and increase their 1rm in the required lifts. That's not to say that you won't find powerlifters who would be competitive in a bodybuilding competition, or strength athletes who have switched disciplines throughout their careers. Just trying to answer your question about why you see people with higher bf% lifting big ass weights. It all comes down to which discipline you are focused on or competing in at any given time.
Apr 6 2014 3:45AM
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louie.mirags
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I hear ya. I wasn't being condensing. I admitted to being a noob and I was asking questions. The cali dude is constantly talking down to people in every thread he post in. So I refuse to ever take him seriously. He is one cocky fuck.. Yeah I know heavier dudes may have different goals. But, on a daily basis the ones I see at planet fitness just look like they used to weight lift and never lost that massive diet. They aren't preparing for comps.
Apr 6 2014 3:53AM
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hey-dude-its-me
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as long as you arent doing them unweighted, in the squat rack, with your balls pointed at everyone using the fag machines like the guy at my gym. he also walks on the stairclimber carrying a medicine ball on his shoulder. seems like a cool guy
Apr 6 2014 9:43AM
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californiagrown
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not even a little. the point of powerlifting is to move the most weight possible. Having extra weight and girth allows for better leverages and more weight to be moved.

Like you said, you are new to this whole weightlifting thing. I would suggest going lightier on the theory spouting and heavier on the litening and asking questions. But hey do what you want. Its no sweat off my back.
Apr 6 2014 11:04AM
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californiagrown
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Haha i do my unweighted ones in my warmup as part of my glute activation circuit far over in a corner. I do however use the rack when it comes time to do my wieghted ones, but there are more than a few plates being used at that point haha.

I just switched gyms and this one doesnt have a thick bar pad, or a blue airex pad so im thinking im gonna have to buy one, or talk to the manager about getting some. this place also needs a dip belt come to think about it.
Apr 6 2014 11:09AM
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P.opsicle
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Pairing power lifting and aesthetics is silly, those guys are simply driven to move the most amount of weight possible regardless of how they look doing it.


Anyways, finally grabbed some casein to try for my before bed shake. Hopefully see some nice results from it.
Apr 6 2014 11:35AM
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californiagrown
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make sure to use plenty of milk/water. It gets really, really thick quickly. IMO it tends to be much tastier than whey though.

Curiously what are your supps looking like?
Apr 6 2014 11:41AM
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saskskier
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As mentioned before, there are some fat guys in powerlifting (and olympic weightlifting), but these two sports a) has weight classes and b) are intended to move the most amount of weight possible, not look a certain way. I don't know a ton about powerlifting, but in weightlifting, the heaviest weight classes are 94kg, 105kg and 105+. Unfortunately if you are a big dude you could be competing with someone who weighs 110kg, or 180kg. Obviously the bigger guys move more weight.

Because of the weight class system, you have people competing in the same sport, but look vastly different:

Behdad Salimi snatching world record 214kg (471lbs)
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Hussein Rezazadeh c+j world record 263.5kg (580lbs)
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Lu Xiaojun (77 kg snatch/total wr holder) (that back though....)
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Apr 6 2014 12:26PM
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californiagrown
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6'6" 360lbs. that is one scary fucking dude. Hes probly got a 40"+ vertical too haha.

good lord these WSM competitors and HW oly lifters are just scary humans.
Apr 6 2014 12:34PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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Anyone got some good work out regiments on tap? Starting to plateau so I need to mix it up. Currently 6' 155lbs. Was up to 165 but lost most of the weight from only taking a week of protein and working out. Trying to get right around 175 before I start cutting down. Any advice and tips would be awesome.
Apr 6 2014 2:26PM
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saskskier
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Not sure if your serious or not....

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Apr 6 2014 2:55PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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fucking stupid
Apr 6 2014 2:56PM
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californiagrown
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for hip thrusts. If youve ever done em with a few hundred pounds you know the pain. Normal bar pads and towels just dont cut it lol.

And whose to say i dont squat lowbar? in which case... Got Delts? haha


Honestly, as long as the accessory doesnt interfer with the effectivness of the movement(bar pads do interfer with my squat), im all for making it more comfortable. why not? Hell, whenever i have to be on my knees(cable crunch, rollouts etc) i use an airex pad or some towels. I dont train to look like a badass in the gym, i train to look good naked and to increase or maintain my athletic ability.
Apr 6 2014 3:05PM
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DIX~
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You're fucking ridiculous. Lifting to look good for girls is the stupidest shit, but to each their own. Lifting heavy weights is fun as fuck, oly lifting is fun as fuck. I only lift with the purpose of moving as much weight as I can because that's what's enjoyable for me, and I don't mind getting fat to do that. Lots of people train for endurance/sports as well, lifting to look good is painfully desperate and shallow to me, there are so many better ways to attract women.

By your logic everyone that skis (or does any sport) just does it for the pursuit of pussy as well, which obviously isn't true
Apr 6 2014 3:11PM
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saskskier
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I didn't realize you were using them for hip thrusts (and even if you did for squats, I'm just giving you a hard time).

I've never understood the need for bar pads while squatting, but I guess each to his own.
Apr 6 2014 3:11PM
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flatland
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Whenever I'm squatting, a buddy of mine will always put the tampon on my bar whenever I walk away from my rack just because he knows it gets under my skin.
Apr 6 2014 3:16PM
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californiagrown
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Hahaha its all good my dude. eh, when i was coming off shoulder surgery i had dropped down to aushwitz-like weight(around 140lbs at 6'4"). When you are super skinny the bar does hurt cause it doesnt have flesh to rest on...only bone. But once you get up to a certain weight and musculature the bar is just so much more stable without the pad, you know?

Ive never had the inclination to do them, but i imagine a bar pad would be pretty damn nice to have for zercher squats though haha! Seems like such a devil of a movement.
Apr 6 2014 3:20PM
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987321654hgfd
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Usually when I see the bar pad it's also accompanied by gloves, half reps at best and some dre beats.
Apr 6 2014 3:21PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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bc it hurts, idc anyone says it hurts until you deaden the nerves and thats not an area Im interested in doing anything like that. I dont see the point in enduring unnecessary pain to MAYBE do slightly better at something that doesn't matter. or to want to impress the wrong sex at the gym.
Apr 6 2014 3:27PM
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saskskier
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That may be one of the dumbest things I've read in this thread. The nerves in your shoulder's/traps do not "deaden". You are talking as if squatting under an unpadded bar is doing damage to the body.

If you find it uncomfortable to squat without a bar pad, then by all means go for it, but don't try to make bad excuses for it. Maybe you aren't positioning the bar correctly?

(My max back squat is around 425-430 and I squat for reps in the high 300's and have absolutely no pain/discomfort, just a lot of weight. The bar would feel way less stable with a pad)
Apr 6 2014 3:42PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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Apr 6 2014 3:43PM
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CoyoteJenkins
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i personally like my spot to give enough help to just keep it moving. all the power lifters at my gym dont recommend giving that much effort on that last rep on "failures".
Apr 6 2014 4:39PM
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cobra_commander
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fucking gold.


Better ways to train your glutes than dryhumping a barbell.
Apr 6 2014 5:09PM
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MACAQUE
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Jesus man that's some serious weight
Apr 6 2014 6:01PM
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SKI.ING
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. Why the hate on gloves?
Apr 6 2014 7:34PM
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Toasty.
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Earn your callus's
Apr 6 2014 7:42PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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I wish I could do front squats but the pain isnt worth it. I tore my AC joint in my shoulder and as a result part of my clavicle juts out RIGHT where the bar sits. It sucks.
Apr 6 2014 8:30PM
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987321654hgfd
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With proper hand care gloves aren't necessary. A pumice stone and some moisturizer will do wonders for your hands. 
Apr 6 2014 8:33PM
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saskskier
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Is it something you can work back to? I tore mine a few years ago (granted, not very bad), but spend half my workouts cleaning and front squatting. Hasn't given me any trouble at all.

It also might just be something you need to suck up (if you really want to). Lu Xiaojun (I have the same love for him as NS does with Wallisch) has a large lump on one of his clavicles (looks like a permanant thing, not just a couple of missed cleans), but it doesn't seem to stop him from breaking world records...

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Apr 6 2014 8:46PM
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Stadtski
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yeah i lift, but im not lifting to get big or look good, I lift to be stronger and better at lacrosse and nordic skiing.
Apr 6 2014 8:52PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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I wish I could. I was a few centimeters away from needing surgery on it. There is no working it back in unfortunately. Mine was lower than his. The bar sits right on the knob too. When I clean I stay with lower weights and try to do reps over weight. My lifting is more for a workout than an actual power lifting purpose so it does not bother me too much I am not cleaning as much as others.
Apr 6 2014 8:53PM
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louie.mirags
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anybody else find it fucking nasty when you see dudes walking to and from the shower without sandals on?? I hope none you of guys do this.
Apr 12 2014 6:41PM
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juicedrummer11
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Granite_StateAnyone got some good work out regiments on tap? Starting to plateau so I need to mix it up. Currently 6' 155lbs. Was up to 165 but lost most of the weight from only taking a week of protein and working out. Trying to get right around 175 before I start cutting down. Any advice and tips would be awesome.


Check out some of the workout plans on bodybuilding.com. there are a couple on there that i really like because they mix it up every so often or some even week to week. also eat several healthy meals throughout the day. that might help push through that barrier and as long as you are going hard in the gym you will add some nice lean muscle
Apr 12 2014 7:40PM
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Rosbif
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Really not a gym guy, I just ski or kitesurf most days with a bit of yoga. I want to get better at skiing so I'm going to hit the gym hard this offseason, trying crossfit to start. Anyone into it? How many days a week is doable, will 6 kill me?
Apr 12 2014 7:45PM
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californiagrown
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louie.miragsanybody else find it fucking nasty when you see dudes walking to and from the shower without sandals on?? I hope none you of guys do this.



I do it all the time. What's your problem with it? im guessing you ARE wearing sandals, so other people going barefoot has the same effect on your feet as if they were wearing sandals. Not to mention, common dude. You realize how many bodily fluids are on everything in a gym?


RosbifReally not a gym guy, I just ski or kitesurf most days with a bit of yoga. I want to get better at skiing so I'm going to hit the gym hard this offseason, trying crossfit to start. Anyone into it? How many days a week is doable, will 6 kill me?


Go for it. See if you like it. You will see benefits for sure. Just remember that its a sport and has the same benefits and drawbacks of any other intense sport. As a training program...well, lets just say that there are more than a few programs out there that are superior.

Since you are new to resistance training i would suggest easing into it: maybe 2-3 workouts per week for the first week or two. If you are digging it you can keep upping the frequency unitl you stop being able to recover. Remember that when you are young you have similar amounts of test and GH to that of a 30 year old on a cycle- meaning that your recovery rate is through the roof. "Overtraining" is a tem that gets thrown around a lot, but rarely actually happens. Listen to your body. if you are feeling run down, or achy and tired go ahead and skip a day or two, or three.


If you want to see aesthetic results, then diet is going to be about 80% of it. there is no getting around it.
Apr 12 2014 9:53PM
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deleted5
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californiagrownI do it all the time. What's your problem with it? im guessing you ARE wearing sandals, so other people going barefoot has the same effect on your feet as if they were wearing sandals. Not to mention, common dude. You realize how many bodily fluids are on everything in a gym?


We've had some people come in and show us some nasty fungus growing under their toenails, always wear flip flops in the steam room, the shower I don't think is as big of a deal.
Apr 12 2014 10:11PM
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californiagrown
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zzzskizzzWe've had some people come in and show us some nasty fungus growing under their toenails, always wear flip flops in the steam room, the shower I don't think is as big of a deal.


Yeah, I totally get why people wear flip flops. What i dont get is why people care that i dont.

Its like people caring that if go barefoot on the sidewalk...doesnt affect them in the slightest. May affect me, but has literally not effect whatsoever on them.

I also pee in the shower drains at my gym, never wipe down equipment unless there is visible droplets of sweat, and stand around butt-ass naked for atlest a minute or so after showering because i like to have my balls nice and dry before putting them in underwear.

And yeah, steam rooms are fucking gross. They rarely get cleaned properly- the only one ive been in that was actually clean(fully sprayed down with a bleach mixture every 3 hours) was at one of those $200+/month gyms. Im all about saunas, dry heat just feels so much cleaner haha.
Apr 12 2014 10:23PM
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louie.mirags
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californiagrownI do it all the time. What's your problem with it? im guessing you ARE wearing sandals, so other people going barefoot has the same effect on your feet as if they were wearing sandals. Not to mention, common dude. You realize how many bodily fluids are on everything in a gym?

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the difference with your body touching everything and your feet touching the bathroom floor is obvious. You can wash your hands. Then you shower and change your clothes. You wash your feet in the shower then walk across the fungus floor again. So your feet definitely get the worst of it. I don't really care what you do, staph infection is fucking gross and painful. Good luck with that

Please tell me you're trolling about peeing in the drain though. That is fucking disgusting. Why are you such an arrogant prick? Yeah it all goes to the same place. But, try being respectful of other people. More people use that shower that don't want to smell or walk in your piss. Hence why you're arrogant prick and why I wear sandals.
Apr 12 2014 10:35PM
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louie.mirags
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californiagrownI also pee in the shower drains at my gymQUOTE]

obvious troll is obvious
Apr 12 2014 10:36PM
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