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BenWhitIs anyone interested/in need of workout gear? I have a bunch of Reebok CrossFit branded shorts, Lululemon shorts, Nike Shorts, etc.
-benedettoFor sure. Anything size L? Especially shorts.
saskskier120kg (265lb) snatch pr today and a bunch of attempts at 125 (275). I probably should have gone for 122.5 or (270) instead of going straight to 125. Super close though and I'm stoked.
https://instagram.com/p/0305Nxo2wZ/?taken-by=jayrfisch
saskskier120kg (265lb) snatch pr today and a bunch of attempts at 125 (275). I probably should have gone for 122.5 or (270) instead of going straight to 125. Super close though and I'm stoked.
https://instagram.com/p/0305Nxo2wZ/?taken-by=jayrfisch
TheHamburglaryou got catalyst athletics commenting on your instagrams? you cool as shit mista
cobra_commanderMore gyms need to offer free pizza and bagels and doughnuts, berry pie, ice cream, and beer.
My gym has a keg on tap. It's awesome. Beer is a perfectly acceptable recovery drink.
If you are a paleo or 'clean eating' dork we ask you keep that shit to yourself. We all workout to increase our enjoyment of life. If you need to cut weight and lack the willpower to overlook a piece of pizza you got bigger problems than the pizza.
Moar Pizza, Ice Cream and Beer Pleeze!
saskskierHa ha. It's pretty sweet. I went to a seminar back in October in Chicago and met Greg and few of his lifters. Super awesome guy.
jblaskiEh, I can't talk too much shit about the PF that I went to, it wasn't too strict on their rules. I never saw anyone talked to about their clothes. And I could do deadlifts, front squats, cleans, or overhead press, and no one ever said anything. Even the in-house trainer would be doing some of those things with their clients. And the pizza and bagel thing never bothered me either, since I'm always trying to go up in weight anyways. Plus, if you're one of those people who think you're diet has to be 100% on at all times, you're gonna fail often anyways, a cheat snack every once in a while isn't a bad thing.
The thing that made me leave was the loss of the bench presses and olympic bars. They just didn't have enough weight in dumbbells to get a good chest workout without the bench.
cobra_commanderMore gyms need to offer free pizza and bagels and doughnuts, berry pie, ice cream, and beer.
My gym has a keg on tap. It's awesome. Beer is a perfectly acceptable recovery drink.
If you are a paleo or 'clean eating' dork we ask you keep that shit to yourself. We all workout to increase our enjoyment of life. If you need to cut weight and lack the willpower to overlook a piece of pizza you got bigger problems than the pizza.
Moar Pizza, Ice Cream and Beer Pleeze!
BenWhitI have a horrendous deadlift. I'm 6'2", 210 lbs and deadlift #425. I'm not sure if it's a mobility thing or just how my levers work, but I have a very hard time getting my shoulders over or only slightly in front of the bar in my setup. As such, I'm having a tough time transferring the power & tension to my hamstrings. I've always been quad dominant. At one point in time, I back squated 315 with a front squat of 305 (Those are now larger and much farther apart). Any good tips from big deadlifters on here?
BenWhitI have a horrendous deadlift. I'm 6'2", 210 lbs and deadlift #425. I'm not sure if it's a mobility thing or just how my levers work, but I have a very hard time getting my shoulders over or only slightly in front of the bar in my setup. As such, I'm having a tough time transferring the power & tension to my hamstrings. I've always been quad dominant. At one point in time, I back squated 315 with a front squat of 305 (Those are now larger and much farther apart). Any good tips from big deadlifters on here?
BenWhitI have a horrendous deadlift. I'm 6'2", 210 lbs and deadlift #425. I'm not sure if it's a mobility thing or just how my levers work, but I have a very hard time getting my shoulders over or only slightly in front of the bar in my setup. As such, I'm having a tough time transferring the power & tension to my hamstrings. I've always been quad dominant. At one point in time, I back squated 315 with a front squat of 305 (Those are now larger and much farther apart). Any good tips from big deadlifters on here?
californiagrownRDL more.
-benedettoI can't help but your videos are showing up private. Maybe a problem on my end though
BenWhitwe have been working in RDL's and barbell rows at least once a week at my gym. Typically in the following format.
5 Rounds:
10 RDL increasing in weight - 135-155-185-205-225
:30 Rest
10 BB Row
:30 Rest
BenWhit#335 TnG Triple.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/764581/YouTube
#365 TnG Triple.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/764582/YouTube
#405 TnG Triple.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/764583/YouTube
Also, I intermittently train TNG & "drop" and reset style reps
californiagrownHeavy RDLs to help mimic the top half of your pull. I'm sure you know the cues "don't bend over, just push your ass back as far as you can then thrust forward with a flat back" etc.
Where in the pull are you having issues?
BenWhitthe bottom half, for sure. I have a really solid clean, but I am a hip-cleaner meaning i have a slightly exaggerated arm bend. Naturally, I have to resist reverting back to this when I deadlift.
californiagrownAnd how much do you want to get better at it? Enough to change up from the current program that isn't getting you stronger off the floor? Its all about priorities in the gym- what gets attention and what just gets maintained...
BenWhitThat's an interesting question, and I don't really know the answer. The way I train and compete, there isn't an overwhelming benefit have have super high, top-end pull strength. Essentially, I want the dead-lift to act as assistance to the clean and snatch. Knowing I could dead-lift 450+ would give me more confidence that I can achieve more displacement of the bar when I clean/power clean 300+. I don't have the fastest turnover or 3rd pull, so I rely on displacement to give me enough time to get underneath the bar.
flatlandI'd lose the little hip thrust you do during set up. Any hamstring loading you do have is likely lost during this. Same goes with the touch and go, without re-setting you'll revert to old habits which you've said are quad dominant.
One cue that's worked well for me is to think about pushing my knees out. This causes my glutes to activate and tighten my whole posterior chain. Other than the obvious sit back and push through your heels this has been the biggest one for me.
Tough to tell in the video on my phone, but if those shoes have any sort of raised heel, take em off. Doesn't look like it, but that would be working against you.
BenWhitthe bottom half, for sure. I have a really solid clean, but I am a hip-cleaner meaning i have a slightly exaggerated arm bend. Naturally, I have to resist reverting back to this when I deadlift.
cobra_commanderHowever, if you are looking to get better at CF and Oly lifting I would not worry too much about your DL. Maybe DL once or twice a month in your programming?
BenWhitThat's the case. I'd say the skill transfer is far greater in terms of a heavy squat having a greater effect on OLY lifting. If I can get the bar to my hips and confidently front squat it, then I can clean it.
cobra_commanderThe one thing I notice is your shoulders and hips are really far over the bar. bring your hips back and this will help engage your hamstrings.
BenWhitThat's what i mentioned in my first post. it's a fault I'm working on correction. That said, I'm not sure I have the mobility or the levers to get in the right position while maintaining a fairly vertical shin.
cobra_commanderI wouldn't worry about it. You do, but if you care, you shins are not vertical in your initial pull anyway. also focus on pulling the bar back more than up. bar gets way out in front of you.
BenWhittrue. Moral of the story, I fucking hate deadlifting. i read up a little bit on Outlaw Way Programming and how their athletes have benefited tremendously from clean-style deadlifts in place of conventional, so maybe I'll adopt that.
cobra_commanderI don't know shit about Outlaw, but i would do pause clean pulls over the clean deadlift, but you do you. I dont train the oly lifts; way to technical for me to spend my time learning the lifts. I do power cleans, muscle snatches, and snatch pulls though.
BenWhittrue. Moral of the story, I fucking hate deadlifting. i read up a little bit on Outlaw Way Programming and how their athletes have benefited tremendously from clean-style deadlifts in place of conventional, so maybe I'll adopt that.
saskskierI think the moral of the story is that heavy cleans and pulls will have more effect on DL numbers than the DL has on oly lift numbers. I rarely DL, but each time I go for a heavy single (maybe once/twice per year), it seems to be going up.
cobra_commanderStop bouncing your deadlifts. Let the bar come to a complete stop each rep.
You are really only getting one rep per set. So your sets of three are really more like one deadlift plus 2 from 3-6in blocks. You are not training the bottom of the lift for really anything other than CNS. Aka burnout without muscle growth or development.
All dig in to your form more when I get back to my computer.
However, if you are looking to get better at CF and Oly lifting I would not worry too much about your DL. Maybe DL once or twice a month in your programming?
ABallsSo I was watching a bios3video on whether it's possible to burn fat while building muscle after the "beginner stage" and he said yes. His reasoning was mostly how the body reacts at certain times to nutrients when you take them in, I guess his point was mostly about meal and supplemtn timing. He also talked about training to failure and how your body will want to replenish itself faster after this as opposed to a regular weaker lift.
-has anyone successfully played around with meal and supplement timing? Have you been able to put on mass while lowering bf?
californiagrownHoly incorrect over simplification batman! Touch and go is a very valid way of pulling.
cobra_commanderNot really, CF is really the only strength sport that allows you to touch and go. Go to any strongman event. They give you an 'up' and 'down' command. If you pull your next rep before the 'up,' it does not count.
But yes, I simplified it. Physical training isn't exactly rocket science. It's pretty fucking simple. This one was easy. He has problems with getting the bar off the floor. What is the one place he isn't really training with the touch and go's? Getting the bar off the floor.
I wouldn't train touch and Go's unless you are training to be good at touch and go DLs. The other place it could be good is in an overload. Allowing yourself to get a couple more reps at a higher weight than you otherwise could. This would make sense for training the lock out, which He does not have a problem with. It is like training with bands.
Otherwise, no. It is not a valid way to pull.
On the other hand, what the fuck do I know..
cobra_commanderyou lose most if not all of the tension on the bounce.
you could also do defict RDLs where you don't take the bar all the way back to the floor. still get the full range of motion.
*N_Wist*Is it really worth the 70 bucks?
Crispy.Can you guys help me out in suggesting a solid routine?
I'm 17 years old, been lifting for 2 years. My first year of training was with my football team's program in which I made some great noob gains, probably went up about 20 lbs. However, I got really sick for a couple months and lost a ton of strength and size. Once I came back, I went on a hardcore bro split and really didn't make much progress (stupid decision, I know). For the past 4 months I've been running Lyle's Generic Bulking Routine http://www.jcdfitness.com/2009/01/lyle-mcdonalds-bulking-routine/ which I do enjoy, but I feel like I may make more progress on something else.
Current stats:
6'2" 175lbs. I'm very lean at probably 8% bf.
Bench max: 175x5
Squat max: 250x5
Deadlift max: I don't know, I NEED to start DLing (I think!)
To give you an idea, before I got sick I was able to Bench 230x1 and Squat 325x1, something I could NEVER do today. Clearly, my compounds are pretty low. On the bright side, I have my diet super locked in...no need to worry about that!
I'm not sure if I should be looking at following more of a strength oriented program to get my compounds up before I do a more hypertrophy focused program such as the one I'm on now. However, I would like to stay very cut. Though I know this is not entirely possible during a bulk, in the long term I'm much more concerned with aesthetics than brute strength.
I've been perusing bodybuilding.com and a lot of people there like Madcows 5x5. Is this the kind of routine I should be following? Any help on recommending a solid program would be beyond appreciated!!
Crispy.Or taking a different approach, there's something higher rep like kelei's programs here http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=162992991
Clearly, I'm conflicted! Help fellow meatheads!
Crispy.I'm a bit afraid I will just get bulky and strong on something like that.
Crispy.I'm a bit afraid I will just get bulky and strong on something like that.
Crispy.Also, there's a bunch of different 5/3/1 programs...I've never trained that low of reps, and to be honest, I'm a bit afraid I will just get bulky and strong on something like that. Maybe I shouldn't even follow a strength focused routine!?!?? As you can tell, I'm pretty naive when it comes to stuff like this, but it's good to learn young, right?!
