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Just had the worst beat in poker EVER...

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kingsskier
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Here is how it went down:
Preflop I am first to act with KK in $2-$5 NL holdem. I raise to $100. Fold, fold, Reraise me to $600. fold around to me and I put him all in at about $1200+ and he calls. He has AQ suited vs my KK. Flop comes out and I see an ace on top and am not happy. Then the dealer slides out KK and Im very happy. turn A which scares me but Im still happy. River A so he has quad As over my quad Ks. So, I lost about $1200 on that suck out. That is nowhere near the worst part. The bad beat jackpot is at $112k. Which is any quads that get beat. However, both parties must play both cars in their hand. So, since he only played his 1 A, we missed out on it. I would have won that pot of $2400+ and 50% or the bad beat jackpot which would have been $56k. Worst hand I have ever seen or played.
I walked out up a few hundred after than but am not too happy how that turned out.
/rant/story
Mar 3 2014 8:50PM
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timmi
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You're fucking insane for betting 1200 dollars on something. That's a months rent for me.
Mar 3 2014 8:54PM
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Mr.DarthVader
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damn yhats some slim chances
Mar 3 2014 8:56PM
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Dustin.
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That's about the worst luck ever.
Mar 3 2014 9:06PM
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kingsskier
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Dude was playing super stupid all day. Plus that was all profit on the day so I didn't feel too upset to have it in.
Mar 3 2014 9:06PM
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theabortionator
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I don't really feel like you should be able to get into a bad beat pot when you went all in with someone and lost. Pocket kings are awesome but you sure as fuck didn't have him dead to rights if he had a suited AQ.

Maybe don't push so hard next time. Certainly not the worst beat in poker "EVER" or even really noteworthy.
Mar 3 2014 9:25PM
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WPoch
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I don't know shit about poker.
Mar 3 2014 9:27PM
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dan1080
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sucks to miss out on that bad beat jackpot. where were you playing?
Mar 3 2014 9:31PM
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kingsskier
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I would have checked the flop with quads because I am not beat and seriously not probable to be beat on the turn and river. We both would have been all in at the turn at the latest and I still would have been ahead. So, yes I don't have him dead to rights preflop but he only had one over card to my pair so I'm really ahead going in and post flop and turn.
The bad beat pot is a casino run jackpot. Anyone in cash games is eligible with five or more players starting the hand and $20+ in the pot. All conditions were satisfied except he didn't play his two whole cards. I am more mad over not getting the jackpot than losing the hand. Losing the hand is poker. Losing quads Ks to quads As without the jackpot sucks more.
Obviously there are a few other hands that would be worse beats, but calling that not noteworthy is a joke.
Mar 3 2014 9:32PM
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kingsskier
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Hollywood Casino in ohio
Mar 3 2014 9:32PM
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skier_boy26
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Similar experience at the bellagio back in the fall. Been playing solid all day. Feeling good. Flop quad dueces. Feeling extra good now. Long story short: ass sucks out quad queens with only 1 queen. I flick the fuck out of my cards, throw them in the pile, and rage quit. Close to 2k in the pot.
Mar 3 2014 9:33PM
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theBearJew
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That sucks. But who bets $1200 pre flop?
Mar 3 2014 9:36PM
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dan1080
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from what he said in the original postit was the right play. raise, get re raised, unless you put him on aces gotta push
Mar 3 2014 9:38PM
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kingsskier
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Exactly. He had been playing absolutely stupid since I sat down to so he likely would bet high with anything down to kj suited so I felt comfortable he wouldn't have aces. Like I said too, had I played it through, we both would have had our chips in by the turn anyway
Mar 3 2014 9:41PM
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Miomo
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I really need to learn how to play poker
Mar 3 2014 9:44PM
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theabortionator
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So worst beat ever and you're talking shoulda coulda woulda's?

If you're all in pre flop it really doesn't matter in what order the cards come up. Is it heartbreaking when it's the river? of course but it wasn't like you set a trap, he went all in, and then rivered you.

Quads over aces is noteworthy especially for over a stack but it's just the angle your post came off of.
Mar 3 2014 9:44PM
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deeeeezy
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good play, bad result..hold em tends to do that to me, a lot
Mar 3 2014 10:52PM
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kingsskier
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Not talking shoulda coulda woulda. I was saying it would have played out the same way if the hand was played through.
Preflop Im about 70%-30% to win.
Post flop Im 99-1
Post turn 97-3

So I am calling an all in whether it be the flop or turn and the turn is where he pushes and a loose player after the turn with aces full is going to push especially this guy. So, yes it was preflop, but that doesnt matter to me in this scenario. Either way, I will put $1200 on 70-30 odds at any time. Eventually you will come out ahead. Casinos in the long run come out way ahead with worse odds on some games.

I posted this because of the miss out on the bad beat jackpot not losing the hand so much. Like I said, losing KK vs AQ sucks but it happens. Losing quads quads (when my quads are kings especially) and not winning the $56k sucks more. I would prefer to lose than win if he had pocket AA because my net would be higher.
Mar 3 2014 10:53PM
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.Apex.
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+vibes
Mar 3 2014 10:56PM
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eheath
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Haha that's two months rent for me
Mar 3 2014 11:31PM
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Drail
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Almost 4 for me.
Mar 4 2014 1:37AM
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kingsskier
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Please tell me this is because of roommates? Otherwise where the hell do you live and if its not in a landfill, where do I sign up?
Mar 4 2014 1:39AM
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eheath
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Depends on where you live. I have friends who pay 250 a month in slc and they're not the best houses but still very livable if you're under 28
Mar 4 2014 2:49AM
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theabortionator
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I know what the odds are and other than pre flop it doesn't matter as you he was all in at that point.

It should matter to you in that scenario as that's what happened.

What the fuck does it matter what other casino games are doing.


You posted this because it was "the worst beat EVER". It's fine to be pissed but you might want to learn something from it going into the future.



Mar 4 2014 9:44AM
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kingsskier
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Dude it clearly isn't the worst beat possible but it is close. I was being a little sarcastic. But the missing the bad beat jackpot makes it a lot worse than a normal hand.
I referenced other games because I was pointing out putting you money in preflop with those odds will make you a lot of money in the long run and I would do it every time. You would be stupid not to. If you think it's stupid to put your money in with those odds, don't play poker.
Mar 4 2014 10:30AM
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theabortionator
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I never said it's stupid to put your money in with good odds. Clearly you don't know what I'm talking about or much about poker. Inb4 you can't even read the other guys at the table and you just play your hand the whole time.


Have a fun day at the races.
Mar 4 2014 10:36AM
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Iraq_Lobster
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i have no idea what is being aid in this thread at all
Mar 4 2014 10:40AM
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Drail
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A nice one bedroom basement suite with a garage, big fenced in backyard, heat, hydro, laundry. In revelstoke, bc. Just me and my lady. I've never paid more than $400/month in my life (and I'm 29, been paying rent and living in resort towns since I was 18). Cities = expensive as fuck. Ski towns, not so much - just avoid the whistlers of the world, unless you wanna dirtbag it.
Mar 4 2014 10:40AM
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kingsskier
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No you clearly don't know what I'm saying. I'm saying preflop push or not. We are both all in by the turn. At the turn he has the nuts -1 hand (mine) and I have the nuts at that point (with the cards known to him). We would both be all in at that point regardless. So, I'm all in either way and so is he.
And where would you make the assumption I can't read a player? What logic do you have behind this other than your ignorant imagination? I can claim how well I play and how much money I make playing, but no one will believe it. But I will always invite anyone to play with me and see me take their money.
Mar 4 2014 11:04AM
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theabortionator
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I'd definitely play with you now because you're all riled up and it's funny.

Oh I'll play anyone and take all their money, sure bro. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

:)

Mar 4 2014 11:15AM
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Drail
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Ns poker tourney? I'll totally win brah!
Mar 4 2014 12:04PM
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kingsskier
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Oh please god yes. This would be the most entertaining and hilarious event I have ever seen.
Mar 4 2014 12:59PM
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seward
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ive played quite a bit of NL and have never ever ever seen it re raised to $600 let alone an all in push of 1200 pre-flop...

also the chances of quads over quads is something like 1 in a quarter million.
im sure in a runner runner scenario that goes up ten fold...
and lastly, in a heads up scenario, my calculator doesn't have that many zeros.
just as a little comparison. the average americans chances of being struck my lightning is 1/3000 in their lifetime.
which means you are equally as likely to get hit by lightning 84 times in your life as you are to have your quads beat by quads, and that is based on the best case scenario of 1 in 250000 hands.

on average there are 33 hands delt per hour at a typical full table.
which means if you played for 316 consecutive days you might once see quads over quads. MIGHT.
or, lets say every time you go to the casino you play for 8 hours, you would have to go 947 days.
That is every, single, fuckin, day for 2 and half years.


so, you either have EXTREMELY bad luck, or youre full of shit.


tl;dr - math.
Mar 4 2014 2:38PM
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deleted5
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My friend put 1,000$ on even and won, and I played a 600$ hand in black jack and won that as well, If I had KK I'd do the same thing.
Mar 4 2014 2:53PM
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kingsskier
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^^^ just bad luck, not full of shit. There were 9 other unhappy people at the table who can vouch for it since the jackpot is divided 50% to the losing hand 25% to the winning hand and 25% divided up to anyone at the table who were dealt cards.
As far as the pot size, my preflop raise to $100 was on the high end of a standard raise at the $2-$5 tables (I would say average is $50-$60 if there is a raise) but I was out of position with a good hand so I didnt want any limpers or I'll do it one time hands, so I bet high hoping for what I got. His reraise was 6 times my bet which is on the high end of a standard raise but isn't out of control (definitely an aggressive play) and my reraise pushing him was double his bet and I wanted it anyway. These tables at these times are high pot games. The low pot players play in the evening or $1-$2 tables.
I have played at $5-$10 tables where people win upwards of $20k in a hand (rare but have seen it a couple times).
It all depends on number of people at the table, amount of chips at the table and style of players. I go late afternoon so the old retired people have built up chip stacks and confidence and I sit down at a table with about $15k in chips in front of the other 9. You get big pots and these people are usually pretty stupid at this point because they are playing with profits and have been playing too long. Once the night crowd donkeys start to come in, I leave because they don't buy in with enough and are aggravating to play with.

As far as the struck by lightning thing, that's funny and the funnier thing is, I saw the previous bad beat jackpot when it happened (I wasn't at the table though). It hits every few months or so.
Mar 4 2014 3:01PM
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deleted5
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I'm not going to lie, the amount of thinking I have to do while reading this post hurt my head.
Mar 4 2014 3:09PM
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seward
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poker stories are like assholes, everyones got one.
if i had a nickel for every time some chump at the table told me about his bad beat, i could retire.

your raises are so inflated that its just straight up ridiculous.
no one bets 20x the big blind.
let alone a re-raise of 6x.
did aa, ak or ak suit not cross your mind at all?
you shoved in 1200 not even thinking about rockets or nut flushes running??

like i said, ive played alot of NL, of all stakes, and i have never seen the type of cash or hands youre talking about.

and you sit with 15k??
does your casino not have a max buy in?
minimum buy in @ 2-5 is $200.
you sit down with an additional 14.8k?? lol. come on.

most canadian casinos will escort you in or out if you are carrying more than 10grand.
cause lets be honest, if you are carrying 10k cash around a bunch of compulsive gamblers, youre asking for trouble.

does your casino have a similar policy??
you just plunk down 15 grand like its nbd??

why dont you post a picture of your bankrole with your username in the pic.
then, and maybe then, ill buy it.
Mar 4 2014 3:35PM
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kingsskier
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I meant I sit at tables with $15k at the table, not at each hand or my buy it. No one sits down with the min buy in until about 7 or 8pm when it's just the for fun casino goers coming in.
Buy ins are limited unless at the high stakes tables. I buy in with anywhere from $500-$1500 depending on the limits.
My casino will escort anyone out who asks for it. Usually will anyway for any cash above $5k for women and $10k for men. But it is well staffed with security in and out.
Mar 4 2014 3:55PM
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kingsskier
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Also, raising to $50 preflop is basically raising pot with with 10 limpers. That is an extremely standard raise. Yes it's ten times the blind, but look at it as number of people at the table times the blind and that will give you a standard raise size at a $2-$5 or $5-$10 game (at least here). At the major casinos in Detroit you should expect more. Never played any real poker in Vegas or anywhere else for that matter so I can't speak for anywhere else. But the regulars usually dictate the style of play (since they are the ones constantly there and making the bets), so it can be different where you are compared to where I am. It's just like sitting down to a tournament and then playing cash after. It's two different worlds of play. Cash is fast paced and a lot of betting, tournaments are slow and the blinds usually dictate when someone will bet and weed people out. It's probably the same was cash here vs a cash game near you.
Mar 4 2014 4:03PM
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seward
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how you calculate what is on the table without asking each individual player is beyond me...
unless youre guessing...
in which case, anyone can guess.

i wouldnt really consider 2-5nl "high stakes", and i doubt your casino does either.
i agree that most people dont buy in with the minimum, but suggesting that you buy in at 8x the minimum is yet again, inflated.

wanna blow smoke bud? go have a dart.
Mar 4 2014 4:08PM
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icon1234
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I stopped reading when you raised 20 BB's preflop lolwut?
Mar 4 2014 4:09PM
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SSteezle
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Why 28? Just curious
Mar 4 2014 4:09PM
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kingsskier
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I only buy in with $1500 at $5-$10 games which is a low buy in. Buying in with $500-$1000 is not bad when people are sitting with $1000-$3000 in front of them. You will just get bullied around otherwise.
You calculate how much they have by looking. Anyone worth anything will keep organized stacks so they know how much they have and how much to grab when betting (stacks of 10 or 20 chips) them multiply it by the number of stacks and denomination (which there are usually no more than 3 different denominations at a cash table, and it's easy to get a quick estimate. I don't want the exact count, I look and see oh it's around $10k so I'll buy in with $700 or see it's around $20k +/- a couple thousand, so I'll buy in with more.

If you guys play at cash games where a pot bet is super high, then I want to play where you do and easily bully the table.
Mar 4 2014 4:15PM
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Laurent.
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Could be worse.


Mar 4 2014 4:18PM
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scratchproteen
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i pay 450 a month here in MN...2 bedroom 1 bath apartment, has own washer dryer/dish washer/ garage. Pretty good condition too!


and to OP. and the main topic of this thread, that is super shitty over the bad beat. Like you said losing KK to AQ or A with any other card happens just because people love to play A's...but losing on that bad beat, that'll sting for a while.
Mar 4 2014 4:18PM
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EMH
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Okay so I clicked on this expecting "nah, this is a ski website after all, can't really be too insane", I was proven wrong. Feels. You should change to omaha, where quads over quads happen all the time, and suddenly it won't feel that bad when it does happen. That "2 card rule" with the BBJ tho.. fuck if I was you I wouldn't be too sober right now.
Mar 4 2014 4:18PM
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PM4FreeJiberish
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I wouldn't really call that a bad beat, you both went all in preflop and you only had a 2/3 chance to win.

What site do you play on?
Mar 4 2014 4:20PM
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EMH
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Valid point, we've been trolled. OP just tell us this is a troll or quit poker.
Mar 4 2014 4:22PM
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icon1234
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Yea dude keep betting like a retard, and your "bullying" will get you real far. Idk why you are even posting here, go to 2+2 forums.

Regardless of your idiotic bet sizing, given that board you were going to get it all in on the flop esp when the villian got it all in PF with weak hand like AQ deep stacked like that. Point is you were going to lose all your money no matter how you played your hand. But this is hardly a bad beat, when you were all in the odds weren't that stacked in your favor.
Mar 4 2014 4:25PM
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kingsskier
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Casino my friend read the comments.
Also read more. The thing that is bad about this is missing the bad beat jackpot. I don't care about losing the hand.
Mar 4 2014 4:27PM
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seward
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so you guess...

anyone worth anything will keep organized stacks that only they can decipher, to keep other players from knowing they have you covered and pushing all in to bully.
and anyone that uses chips to intimidate does so because they dont know how to play.

i for one keep my high denominations buried in the core of my low denominations.
its hilarious to watch someone push you in thinking they have you covered only to find you have 5x their stack.

either way, at 1 in 250000, and seeing the bad beat live twice, i hope you play the lottery weekly.
Mar 4 2014 4:28PM
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