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Pudge
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Let's just giv'er.

Let this be a framework in which we lust and yearn for the coming line, as well as debate and debase all inquiries pertaining to ON3P.



What is it your desire?

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iggyskier
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*cgski*Could someone help me out!? Going to Montana for school this year and need a new pow ski. I want something that will obviously float well, charge hard, drop cliffs/jumps, and maybe some BC booters. I currently have the JMos and want to either get the Caylor of Billy Goats. I know the Caylor is more jib oriented and the Billy goat is a charger. I quess what im asking is will the Caylor float well, be good in tight stuff and generally be good skiing Bridger bowl?


The Jeffrey 122 (what the Caylor became) will definitely fit that role well, and we know people at Bridger and Big Sky rocking them.

It won't charge quite as hard as the Billy Goat, but it can more than holds its own and will give you the more jib-oriented feel you are used to. It is going to be better on BC booters too.

Let us know if you have any other questions.
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cwillygood
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iggyskierThe Jeffrey 122 (what the Caylor became) will definitely fit that role well, and we know people at Bridger and Big Sky rocking them.

It won't charge quite as hard as the Billy Goat, but it can more than holds its own and will give you the more jib-oriented feel you are used to. It is going to be better on BC booters too.

Let us know if you have any other questions.


Thanks Scott! Yeah im going to buy the leftover Caylor but it seems like a better fit for what im doing. Beyond stoked to be riding another pair next season
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brov1
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jeffery 114s are mine next season
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shredschralp
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iggyskierThe Jeffrey 122 (what the Caylor became) will definitely fit that role well, and we know people at Bridger and Big Sky rocking them.

It won't charge quite as hard as the Billy Goat, but it can more than holds its own and will give you the more jib-oriented feel you are used to. It is going to be better on BC booters too.

Let us know if you have any other questions.


I'm also trying to decide between the 186 BG and the 186 jeffery 122 and have a couple questions if you don't mind.

1) Which one is quicker in the trees? I know the jeffery is flat underfoot with plenty of tip and tail rocker...but the BG has the RES tip and a narrower tail. The tail is especially narrow relative to the waist width.

2) Which ski's tail is easier to break loose in a slashed turn?

4) Do you prefer the jeffery 122 or the BG on groomers? I know neither was designed to rip groomers, I'm just wondering.

3) How far back from center are the recommended mount points for both skis?
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RudyGarmisch
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wildmanwillieI'm also trying to decide between the 186 BG and the 186 jeffery 122 and have a couple questions if you don't mind.

1) Which one is quicker in the trees? I know the jeffery is flat underfoot with plenty of tip and tail rocker...but the BG has the RES tip and a narrower tail. The tail is especially narrow relative to the waist width.

2) Which ski's tail is easier to break loose in a slashed turn?

4) Do you prefer the jeffery 122 or the BG on groomers? I know neither was designed to rip groomers, I'm just wondering.

3) How far back from center are the recommended mount points for both skis?


1) BG

2) BG

4) Jeffrey

3)BG is much more of a traditional mount than the Jeffrey. Jeffrey is fun switch, BG can manage it but is happier going forwards, fast.
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TWoods
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wildmanwillieI'm also trying to decide between the 186 BG and the 186 jeffery 122 and have a couple questions if you don't mind.

1) Which one is quicker in the trees? I know the jeffery is flat underfoot with plenty of tip and tail rocker...but the BG has the RES tip and a narrower tail. The tail is especially narrow relative to the waist width.

2) Which ski's tail is easier to break loose in a slashed turn?

4) Do you prefer the jeffery 122 or the BG on groomers? I know neither was designed to rip groomers, I'm just wondering.

3) How far back from center are the recommended mount points for both skis?





1. BG
2. BG
3. JEff, but really only by a margin
4. depends on length, but for a 186 Jeff it's -4 I believe, and for BG -8. I would have to look it up, but those are both really close.
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cwillygood
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Just ordered some Caylors!
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shredschralp
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thanks a bunch vader and twoods. Decisions decisions...
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dbchili
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I've been insanely on the fence on whether to get a pair of 13/14 186 jeffreys (if there's any left in stock)

i currently have 181 FR's that have lots of life left, but the edges are totally dull so they're fairly shit at anything outside the park now, and a pair of 191 caylors that only get brought out on deep pow days

i mostly ride all mountain, and like to poke into the park a few times through the day. Can anyone answer if the jeffrey would be good for a 75/25 all mountain/park mix or if the kartel 106 would be worth the price difference & waiting for?

I'm fairly tempted to spring for the jeffrey, but I'm afraid they might be too similar to my caylors in terms of feeling pow dedicated, and wont provide the performance i'm looking for in the park when i want to dip in. Keep in mind whatever i get it'll be centremounted to keep it good in the park and more jib like
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iggyskier
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dbchiliI've been insanely on the fence on whether to get a pair of 13/14 186 jeffreys (if there's any left in stock)

i currently have 181 FR's that have lots of life left, but the edges are totally dull so they're fairly shit at anything outside the park now, and a pair of 191 caylors that only get brought out on deep pow days

i mostly ride all mountain, and like to poke into the park a few times through the day. Can anyone answer if the jeffrey would be good for a 75/25 all mountain/park mix or if the kartel 106 would be worth the price difference & waiting for?

I'm fairly tempted to spring for the jeffrey, but I'm afraid they might be too similar to my caylors in terms of feeling pow dedicated, and wont provide the performance i'm looking for in the park when i want to dip in. Keep in mind whatever i get it'll be centremounted to keep it good in the park and more jib like


Between the two, I would personally recommend mounting around -2cm or so, that seems to be the ideal do everything point for people that like the jib a lot and where a lot of our team rides. That is about 2.25cm ahead of the standard boot center mark.

As for the 14/15 Kartel 106 or 13/14 Jeffrey, to me, the width is sort of a wash. 106 vs 110 is very minor.

Taper is similar on them, though the Kartel 106 is a bit more tapered so you will have lighter swing weight.

The Kartel 106 will be lighter due to the thinner width and increased tip taper, but not a crazy amount.

The biggest difference will be the turn radius. The Kartel 106 and 13/14 Jeffrey are both elliptical, but the radius on the Kartel 106 is around 21.5m, while the Jeffrey is around 24.5m.

For park, I would prefer the Kartel 106. All mountain, I would prefer the Jeffrey. That is just me personally.

One last thing you might want to consider is we just put the Jeffrey up for our summer sale at $479, so quite a bit cheaper than the Kartel 106.

Hope that helps. Honestly, sounds like both skis would do great for you and a FR/Kartel 106 of Jeffrey/Caylor is basically exactly how we think a 3-ski jib quiver should go.
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MrLarsen
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GrizzlyCorn steeple 102 on order :D

Scott: I assume some of the graphics will dissappear on the smaller skis?
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parklover77
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manly park rider but occasionally go in bit of 60cm of snow ?? I am 90% park, 9% side country on fresh pow days, 1% groomers

which would be better for me FRs or the KARTEL 98 ?
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dbchili
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that'll probably depend on what you prefer in park skis (ie skinny or a little fatter) and if you prefer skinnier skis, then if you're willing to trade off a bit of extra weight for better float on those bc days

i haven't ridden kartels, but i do own FRs and have found myself out on them on a number of pow days when i thought i'd be riding park and then i showed up and there was lots of untracked snow from a recent storm. The amount of rocker on them makes them totally managable in deeper snow (maybe up to a foot of fresh) even with the center mount.

That's just my experience, but i found them surprisingly floaty for a dedicated park ski, quite stable and very fun.
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stoggieman
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iggyskierBetween the two, I would personally recommend mounting around -2cm or so, that seems to be the ideal do everything point for people that like the jib a lot and where a lot of our team rides. That is about 2.25cm ahead of the standard boot center mark.


Am I reading this right that the recommended line on the 13/14 Jeffrey is -4.25cm from true center?
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iggyskier
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stoggiemanAm I reading this right that the recommended line on the 13/14 Jeffrey is -4.25cm from true center?


In the 186cm.
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iggyskierIn the 186cm.


Cool, that's what I have. Psyched to mount them. Thanks for the reply!
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Deviate
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Hi!

I'm considering a new directional freeride ski to complete my quiver. Currently running a 191 caylor from the 11/12 season as my main powder ski (which is an awesome ski btw), but would like something more forward/charge oriented. Should be able to handle groomers decently. Was thinking either 191 BG or 186 wren 112. What do you guys think? I'm 6' 180 roughly.
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Pudge
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DeviateHi!

I'm considering a new directional freeride ski to complete my quiver. Currently running a 191 caylor from the 11/12 season as my main powder ski (which is an awesome ski btw), but would like something more forward/charge oriented. Should be able to handle groomers decently. Was thinking either 191 BG or 186 wren 112. What do you guys think? I'm 6' 180 roughly.


What else do you have in your quiver? What is your daily driver now?
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M.M
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just relooked at the catalog, and holy shit, i never realised how nice them billy goat graphic is, if i could get that on a kartel my life would be made
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ThundaKilla
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daveyjonesjust relooked at the catalog, and holy shit, i never realised how nice them billy goat graphic is, if i could get that on a kartel my life would be made


13/14 BG topsheets are beauts
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Deviate
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PudgeWhat else do you have in your quiver? What is your daily driver now?


Got a jski 184 (98 shape) which covers my park and AM needs. Strongly leaning towards the BG atm.
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division.bell
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191cm GrizzlyCorn Jeffrey 122's have been ordered!
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Rekkil
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No more Jmo's? Shame, I was looking to pick up a pair next season
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iggyskier
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RekkilNo more Jmo's? Shame, I was looking to pick up a pair next season


Gillis answered above me, but the new Kartel Series was just en evolution of the Jeronimo. We re-worked the 13/14 Jeronimo design into a 2 ski jib-series with Karl Fostvedt. 101 is a great do everything width, but we found lots of people who wanted a bit more park influence, and others who wanted a bit more all mountain influence.

So we took the current 101-underfoot Jmo, split it into 2 skis - one 98 underfoot, one 106 underfoot, then increased the tip and tail taper to bring the swing weight down and tweaked the sidecut to Karl's specs.

If you like the Jeronimo, you are going to like the Kartel 98 or 106. Just a bit more options now to better suit what type of skier you are.
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Matt.H
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Looking at the kartel 106 for next year, but I need some help with what length. I'm 5'7", 145 and I'm going to be skiing more all mountain. Should I go 171 or 176 and how many grizzlycorn top sheets are left? Thanks.
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iggyskier
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Matt.HLooking at the kartel 106 for next year, but I need some help with what length. I'm 5'7", 145 and I'm going to be skiing more all mountain. Should I go 171 or 176 and how many grizzlycorn top sheets are left? Thanks.


Where are you skiing? How much park?

I would probably say 176cm, though you are pretty light and I don't think the 171cm would bother you too much. What size ski are you normally on? Where do you ski?

I think we have about 12 GC topsheets left.

Thanks!
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Matt.H
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iggyskierWhere are you skiing? How much park?

I would probably say 176cm, though you are pretty light and I don't think the 171cm would bother you too much. What size ski are you normally on? Where do you ski?

I think we have about 12 GC topsheets left.

Thanks!


I'm skiing mostly Vermont and then sadly some western ny later in the year but I'm planning on moving out west within the near future. I ski mostly all mtn but I try and get some park laps in when I get the chance. I'm currently skiing a 163ish Solomon that I bought a few years ago.
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iggyskier
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Matt.HI'm skiing mostly Vermont and then sadly some western ny later in the year but I'm planning on moving out west within the near future. I ski mostly all mtn but I try and get some park laps in when I get the chance. I'm currently skiing a 163ish Solomon that I bought a few years ago.


You still growing at all? Pretty strong skier?
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Matt.H
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iggyskierYou still growing at all? Pretty strong skier?


Nah I'm stuck being kinda short and yea I'd say I'm a strong skier. Think I'm leaning towards the 176s
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iggyskier
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Matt.HNah I'm stuck being kinda short and yea I'd say I'm a strong skier. Think I'm leaning towards the 176s


I would lean that way too. They will seem long at first, but after a few days you will adjust and appreciate the longer size.
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Matt.H
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iggyskierI would lean that way too. They will seem long at first, but after a few days you will adjust and appreciate the longer size.


Thanks for the help, hope to order em after my next paycheck.
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SkiTheYeast
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just copped some grizzly corn kartel 98's too hyped
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XtRemE11
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I could probably figure this out for myself but everyone here just seems so damn helpful so why not?

Anyway, I'm looking to replace my surface one lifes.

i've got a 3 ski quiver, so a park ski, and still trying to find a big fat, giant rocker, EP pro replacement.
so im looking for an in-between right now, something fatish that i can use in the park and all mountain, including powder days, or mixed pow/park days. pretty much want a playful, all mountain jib, surfey ski.

Im tempted to go with the 122 jeffrey because it has no camber underfoot, which i prefer. and it seems super similar to the OG hellbents which I thought were the best all mtn/park jib skis ever. and center(ish) mounted 186's would be perfect.

the kartel 106's seem like the "right ski" for an inbetween/all rounder. but i cant help but think back to how much fun my bents were for literally everything, and the jeffrey's seem pretty similar.

I dont care about hardpack "performance" i dont need my all mountain jib ski to rail GS turns, and be super stable, i want it to be good at hopping around and fucking off all over the place.

im, 5'10 155-160lbs if that helps.
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iggyskier
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XtRemE11I could probably figure this out for myself but everyone here just seems so damn helpful so why not?

Anyway, I'm looking to replace my surface one lifes.

i've got a 3 ski quiver, so a park ski, and still trying to find a big fat, giant rocker, EP pro replacement.
so im looking for an in-between right now, something fatish that i can use in the park and all mountain, including powder days, or mixed pow/park days. pretty much want a playful, all mountain jib, surfey ski.

Im tempted to go with the 122 jeffrey because it has no camber underfoot, which i prefer. and it seems super similar to the OG hellbents which I thought were the best all mtn/park jib skis ever. and center(ish) mounted 186's would be perfect.

the kartel 106's seem like the "right ski" for an inbetween/all rounder. but i cant help but think back to how much fun my bents were for literally everything, and the jeffrey's seem pretty similar.

I dont care about hardpack "performance" i dont need my all mountain jib ski to rail GS turns, and be super stable, i want it to be good at hopping around and fucking off all over the place.

im, 5'10 155-160lbs if that helps.



If you have a big day ski, I don't know if I would go with a Jeffrey 122. It is a big day ski, so just seems like you would have overlap there.

If you like wider skis, go with the Jeffrey 114. If you can throw around a bigger ski like the hellbent no problem, then the Jeffrey 114 won't be too hard and it will give you a more stable, floaty platform vs the Kartel 106.

To me, the Kartel 106 is sort of the perfect everyday ski. On soft days, I would definitely lean towards the Jeffrey 114 though and if you don't care about hardpack performance, I don't see any reason not to go wider.

The one thing to note is that both the Kartel 106 and Jeffrey 114 are going to be stiffer than the hellbent, so it will take a bit more effort to push them around.

From the sound of it, I would lean Jeffrey 114. That said, the Kartel 106 is also a killer ski.

Jeffrey 114 is you want more float, stability, larger turning radius.
Kartel 106 if you want lighter weight, easier to throw around, quicker turning on hardpack, bit more jibby feel.

Hope that helps.
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XtRemE11
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iggyskierIf you have a big day ski, I don't know if I would go with a Jeffrey 122. It is a big day ski, so just seems like you would have overlap there.

If you like wider skis, go with the Jeffrey 114. If you can throw around a bigger ski like the hellbent no problem, then the Jeffrey 114 won't be too hard and it will give you a more stable, floaty platform vs the Kartel 106.

To me, the Kartel 106 is sort of the perfect everyday ski. On soft days, I would definitely lean towards the Jeffrey 114 though and if you don't care about hardpack performance, I don't see any reason not to go wider.

The one thing to note is that both the Kartel 106 and Jeffrey 114 are going to be stiffer than the hellbent, so it will take a bit more effort to push them around.

From the sound of it, I would lean Jeffrey 114. That said, the Kartel 106 is also a killer ski.

Jeffrey 114 is you want more float, stability, larger turning radius.
Kartel 106 if you want lighter weight, easier to throw around, quicker turning on hardpack, bit more jibby feel.

Hope that helps.


alright thanks,

When i eventually get my powder specific ski, it'll be something along the lines of a pillowfight, lab 001, etc.. the kind of ski you use maybe 10 days a year but on the best, deepest days of the year, but is super powder specific.

so i dont think there'd be a ton of overlap with a jeffrey 122, i feel like the jeffrey is still a pretty useable, versitile ski for its width?

But yeah, still seems like a weird all mountain, inbetween ski.

I like the kartel, but it seems too close to a park ski, my park ski is a 100 waist anyway. i really want it to work, cause it seems like the perfect everything width, maybe if i got it in a longer length.. but im leaning away from the kartel right now

so i guess its more between the jeffrey 114 and 122. is there a pretty noticeable difference between how the 114 and 122 ski? stiffness? is the 122 more loose and surfey? i havent skiied many, if any dual camber skis i like, i've always found it just feels like a camber'd ski and kills the surfy feel. but on3p's seems to have pretty big rocker for the most part so maybe that'll help?

I will say my ideal ski for what im looking for would be like 110-118 waist, flat underfoot, substantial rocker, medium or medium stiff flex to where it can charge and be lively at speed, but feel really buttery, loose and surfy because of the flat/rocker.
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Pudge
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XtRemE11I will say my ideal ski for what im looking for would be like 110-118 waist, flat underfoot, substantial rocker, medium or medium stiff flex to where it can charge and be lively at speed, but feel really buttery, loose and surfy because of the flat/rocker.


For all intents and purposes, the 114 is flat. Are you really going to notice less than one cm of camber? Scott what is the actual dimension of camber on those?
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division.bell
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XtRemE11I will say my ideal ski for what im looking for would be like 110-118 waist, flat underfoot, substantial rocker, medium or medium stiff flex to where it can charge and be lively at speed, but feel really buttery, loose and surfy because of the flat/rocker.


Last I checked, there were still some 13/14 191 Caylors left in stock and on sale for $499. They are just a bit wider than your ideal skis at 120mm, but it's 2-fucking-millimeters, and you're potentially considering skis with 122mm underfoot (Jeffrey 122's). They would be nearly the same as the 14/15 Jeffrey 122's but at a cheaper cost.

The only skis I regret selling were my 191 Caylors. The amount of tip/tail rocker combined with the stable flex and lack of camber made them so damn playful, yet I never felt like I needed more ski. They were amazing skis and are sorely missed.


PudgeFor all intents and purposes, the 114 is flat. Are you really going to notice less than one cm of camber?


I'm going to personally disagree here and say there is definitely a noticeable difference between a ski with any measurable camber, and a ski that is flat underfoot. I wish there was a 191 Jeffery 114 with the Jeffrey 122 profile...but it's one of the reasons I have purchased some 191 Jeffrey 122's for next season. I wanted to add a flat camber ski back to my quiver to replace my former 191 Caylors.
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XtRemE11
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PudgeFor all intents and purposes, the 114 is flat. Are you really going to notice less than one cm of camber? Scott what is the actual dimension of camber on those?


I've skiied quite a few dual camber skis, and even with super minimal camber underfoot, its a pretty noticeable difference. usually kills the feel im looking for. who know's the 114 could be the ski that changes my opinion. if it were flat underfoot, the 114 would be the absolute perfect ski.
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RudyGarmisch
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Continuing the camber discussion because I feel it interesting: what specific skis are we talking about? Can you go into more detail about the 'feel' of it and what you noticed the camber doing on those specific skis? I've tested some flat and some cambered versions of some of the models being discussed, so I'm interested to hear and see if we notice similar things.
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XtRemE11
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DarthVaderContinuing the camber discussion because I feel it interesting: what specific skis are we talking about? Can you go into more detail about the 'feel' of it and what you noticed the camber doing on those specific skis? I've tested some flat and some cambered versions of some of the models being discussed, so I'm interested to hear and see if we notice similar things.


here's what ive ridden..

Dual camber..
2nd year Kung fujas (95mm waist)
3rd year kung fujas(102mm waist)
2012 SFB
Opus's
2013 one life
salomon rocker 2's
some older forget the name salomon rocker skis
L-toro's

flat/rocker skis
OG hellbents
2nd and 3rd year EP pro's
domains
volkl shiro

none of those dual camber skis have anywhere close to the same surfy feel the flat/rocker ski's provide. they feel like a normal camber ski but with a more uncertain, inconsistent feel in the tips and tails, meaning sometimes they'll hook up, sometimes they wont, you can be carving in varied snow and sometimes only the camber'd section is touching, sometimes the whole length, sometimes the tips and tails are touching but not really "working" it sounds like im making a bigger deal out of it than it is, which i kind of am, its not really an "issue", its just a little thing that i think kills a lot of the fun. the only one that didnt have this issue was the one life's because of their gigantic rocker. sure they "perform" better on groomers, but id rather either have a normal camber ski for groomers, or even flat underfoot. If I wanted carving performance, i wouldnt be looking at rockered park/powder skis.

the flat underfoot ski's are all a huge improvement in having a super consistent feel/characteristics all the time. whether your carving on hardpack, powder, or chop, they maintain that super surfy, smooth, playful feel. I actually feel like my ep pro's were some of the best carving ski's ever. sure they dont have as high of a limit as a full camber carving ski, but having that small contact patch underfoot made them initiate turns crazy well, and as you lean them over and gain more edge, it turns into a super smooth arch, then if you want to pivot and slash its really easy, transitions into slides super smooth, and its awesome for carving off jumps. plus just the way they ski powder and mixed conditions, they dont have any feel of resistance at all, they just want float and pop out of the snow constantly. ep's and bent's were some of the poppiest skis ive ever ridden, especially in chopped conditions, they popped off little bumps and lips like crazy.

they encourage you to pop and slash and butter everything, where a dual camber ski will do it, but it doesnt feel like they want to, they want to ski conventionally, you have to force them to do what a non camber'd ski does naturally.

anyway, just my observations!
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tomPietrowski
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So is the Jeffery pretty flat with not much camber? If so does it still carve ok? I'm looking at it as my every day ski and as such I really want it to still rail a carved turn on soft pack. I was liking the idea of longer turn radius and stiffer flex then the jmo but I'm not really sure I want a ski without camber as in my experience they just don't carve to well.
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iggyskier
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tomPietrowskiSo is the Jeffery pretty flat with not much camber? If so does it still carve ok? I'm looking at it as my every day ski and as such I really want it to still rail a carved turn on soft pack. I was liking the idea of longer turn radius and stiffer flex then the jmo but I'm not really sure I want a ski without camber as in my experience they just don't carve to well.


Wow this turned into a long conversation.

I don't have time to read everything right now, but the Jeffrey 114 has camber, the Jeffrey 122 is basically flat.

The difference is definitely noticeable between the two. We prefer the flat camber on skis that spend a lot of time in soft snow. With the Jeffrey 114, which is really a do-everything ski for the West Coast, we much prefer the version with camber because it is noticeably more poppy, holds a better edge on hard snow, and is just a more versatile all around ride.

If you like a flat camber feel, I would go with the Jeffrey 122 because it is exactly that. Not the case with the Jeffrey 114.
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tomPietrowski
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Excellent that is what I wanted to hear about the 114. I agree for all mnt camber still makes the most sense. But yeah for the 122 flat could be fun.
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tomPietrowski
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Oh and by the way I'm stoked up guys picked up max. I was trying to get him hooked up on atomic but it never panned out so its awesome he got hooked up by you guys.
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Pudge
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Guize

The TGR thread is longer than ours, and all they talk about is the Wren ):
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BWalmer
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PudgeGuize

The TGR thread is longer than ours, and all they talk about is the Wren ):


Have you seen the specs on the new Wren...it's amazing. I have absolutely zero use for it but I still want it. That's why it's longer...no one on NS really cares about the wren (sadly), but over there, it's the shit.

The only skis people care about here are the FR (unchanged), the prester (unchanged), the Kartel line (most of this thread), and the Jeffery line (the other ski most discussed in this thread)...it's kinda sad. When I see some BG talk pop up my ears kinda perk up a bit, haha. And I still thing people are underestimating the Steeple...
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MartianMan
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BWalmerHave you seen the specs on the new Wren...it's amazing. I have absolutely zero use for it but I still want it. That's why it's longer...no one on NS really cares about the wren (sadly), but over there, it's the shit.

The only skis people care about here are the FR (unchanged), the prester (unchanged), the Kartel line (most of this thread), and the Jeffery line (the other ski most discussed in this thread)...it's kinda sad. When I see some BG talk pop up my ears kinda perk up a bit, haha. And I still thing people are underestimating the Steeple...


Very true. Even with coming from freestyle roots, the shapes ON3P is putting out for directional skiing are dope. Sad to see the Vicik and Tychoon go away though. But I do get that they likely didn't sell as well, and you are doing these series of two models now, which is definitely cool. I just like having a flat tailed 95mm and 106mm ski in the line. Probably good for the customer base though, no criticism.
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RudyGarmisch
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MartianManVery true. Even with coming from freestyle roots, the shapes ON3P is putting out for directional skiing are dope. Sad to see the Vicik and Tychoon go away though. But I do get that they likely didn't sell as well, and you are doing these series of two models now, which is definitely cool. I just like having a flat tailed 95mm and 106mm ski in the line. Probably good for the customer base though, no criticism.


Having skied all variations of the tychoon, the wren 102 is a worthy successor. That ski surprised the hell out of me.
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geist
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Am I reading wrong but the specs for the steepl 112 say 2.25kg/ ski in 174
And the billy goats in a 176 are 2.10kg / ski.

?? Can someone give me the correct weights, looking at skis for my gf who will prob mount them with a touring setup.
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