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Phil.Tanywhere still got any kartel 106's left?
iggyskierwhat size?
iggyskierwhat size?
Phil.T186
iggyskierWe have (1) pair of 186cm Kartel 106 left in stock. Thanks!
Phil.TThanks for the help, cant wait to rip on my fourth pair!
JakeSmithSo the Jeffrey 114 in 186 is now sold out, I was planning on getting them but now I am wondering where the 181 size has pros and cons compared to the 186. I'm 5'11" 140lbs, and will ski Bridger Bowl next season
JakeSmithSo the Jeffrey 114 in 186 is now sold out, I was planning on getting them but now I am wondering where the 181 size has pros and cons compared to the 186. I'm 5'11" 140lbs, and will ski Bridger Bowl next season
iggyskierMost are already sold. If you have a model in mind, email me. We have about 10 pairs left.
nutz.are they going to be in the lineup next year?
JakeSmithWhere is the notched point on the sidewall located, is it dead center or the recommended point?
Do you guys have any recommended base and side edge angles? Or should I just leave it at 0x0?
Sorry for all these questions but I am just so stoked on them.
JakeSmithRecieved my Jeffrey 114's the other day and I have got to say I am especially impressed with the quality of the base from the factory. It doesn't feel dry at all and has a beautiful structure.
I ended up going with a 181 after realizing how small of a difference there really is between sizes.
Just hand flexing them I am excited to see how they ski because they are quite a bit softer than my Surface One Life's but no where near as noodley as my Liberty Morphic's.
Is rounding off the edge of the tip and tail (the base material) recommended because of the 3/4 wrap edge design or is it not something I should worry about?
Where is the notched point on the sidewall located, is it dead center or the recommended point?
Do you guys have any recommended base and side edge angles? Or should I just leave it at 0x0?
Sorry for all these questions but I am just so stoked on them.
.bozHow would the Kartel 106 hold up on cliffs? Im 6'2'' 200 Lbs. and would be skiing on the 186.
From what Ive heard, the 106 sounds like the perfect ski, but with the rocker and relative softness Im a bit concerned about their ability to drop anything over 20 feet. Has anyone had experience with this? Lemme know NS, I want to be on a pair of these so bad next season.
b.uttersDid the flex pattern change between the Jmo and it being split into the 2 Kartel skis?
The Jmo was my favorite ski ever and I'm looking for something to replace it and the Kartel 98 is the closest thing I can find so far.
cydwhitSteeples.... Tell me why I should be lusting after them, and specifically 102's or 112's? Right now I'm leaning toward the 102's, how are they in crud/some soft fresh stuff? 102's vs 4frnt Raven? Length.... I'm 6' 175lbs currently on a 189cm shreditor 112, leaning toward the 184's for more touring, sketchy tight skiing. Make me want to spend all my hard earned money, haha!
lion.pappahi guys, this will be my first post on NS. Did quite a bit of research before posting this..long story short; i went to whistler today wanting to demo some kartel 98 in either 171 or 176, but (i think) they were no show :( so i tried the Salmon rocker 100, which is fairly close to the Kartels in specs at least but they were in 178. Which in the end i feel it is just a little bit too long and i've heard somewhere that ON3P skis are usually bigger in size? So what should i choose? 171 or 176? Im 5'6" and around 170lb
thanks in advance
JustGoWithItI'm 5'8" at 160 and have been using 176 98 Kartels for the majority of this season and really like them. Previously I was on 166 Afterbangs and I do admit they were a lot lighter but because I'm not in the park much I don't really mind the extra swing weight. Also note that they have quite a bit of rocker so the contact points are closer to center. If I were in your position I would go with 176's, I would rather have a ski that is a bit too long rather than one that is too short.
They are damn good skis.
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iggyskierKartel = Smaller turning radius, less tip taper, elliptical sidecut.
Jeffrey = Larger turning radius, more tip taper, bi-radius sidecut.
For the each coast, I would go with the Kartel 106 between the Alpha and Bent Chetlers. The Jeffrey 114 and Bent Chetlers are going to overlap quick a bit.
fmi1Iggy
What is the difference in ski performance between an elliptical vs bi-radius sidecut? Thanks
PudgeWith the recent cancellation of Beartooth Summer Session, and the announcement of March being the first instance where the global average of CO2 surpassed 400 ppm for the entirety of the month, I am prompted to ask what ON3P is doing to promote sustainability and environmental responsibility in an industry that's cruising around on non-renewable dinosaur juice and wood from half way around the world?
#felinethoughts
PudgeThanks Scott for the thought out response, further thanks for practicing the things you do. I'd be more interested in hearing about the orgo system. When I think about facilities producing a great deal of VOCs a ski factory doesn't come to mind, interesting stuff!
On another note, any teases for us about limited edition stuff/presale info/anything of the like? Karl looks like he is going to put on another clinic this summer at Hood, he's ripping WCS per usual
jcaIt's very interesting to hear what you guys are doing sustainability wise, there's definitely a lot more to it than meets they eye (at least to someone like me who's never seen the factory). While I agree with Cobra that the smaller companies aren't necessarily the "problem", the fact that ON3P is doing what they can to be as efficient and sustainable as possible without all of the "green" marketing hype is a great start towards setting a new standard for ski manufacturing, especially for the smaller companies.
Scott, you guys build skis so damn well that I haven't had to buy a pair for a few years but things like this make me even more proud to ride my ON3Ps and I don't even really think about other companies when looking at new skis anymore.
PudgeI wouldn't ask what Amer Sports is doing to improve their sustainability in an ON3P thread, nor was I being accusatory or implying that those two facts are the aggregate of all data required to make a judgement on climate change.
Just two current events that made me wonder what ON3P did, thanks for the concern tho gang
In other news, not sure if I want GC or standard Jeffrey graphics, they are pretty damn sexy
iggyskierFair question, and one we think about constantly. Obviously we don't make what we do a big part of our marketing push, as we think trying to promote sustainability at our factory is a responsibility, not a marketing plot. We also do what we can, but within reason, as durability and quality remains paramount for us, and a lot of "sustainable" materials frankly make shit skis.
Sometimes we sort of laugh at what people market, as some of it is just industry standard stuff everyone is doing.
As for what we currently do:
- FSC Certified Bamboo - this is purely a sustainable move. We've found no difference in material between FSC and non-FSC. It costs quite a bit more, but it is what it is.
- Recycle UHMW scrap - I think very few brands do this. It is honestly a pain in the ass, as it takes up a lot of space, but there is a lot of plastic waste building skis, so we are glad we were able to find a way to recycle this material locally (it is melted down and used in machinery at the recycle center itself).
- Recycle all bamboo dust scrap - We collect all our bamboo dust from the CNC/planers/etc and it is donated to a local horse farm.
- Non-toxic epoxy resins - Honestly, this is pretty standard as it is much nicer to work with. We have tried some of the bio-resins, but the bonding isn't as strong in our tests, it isn't any nicer to work with as far as VOCs, and we actually had concerns about it having a really low glass-transition temperature.
- No lacquer or anything like that. We are considering a bio-clear coat for veneers now, but we do very few veneers.
- "Water-cleansed" grinding systems is my favorite one other brands put out with eco stuff. Yes, it makes a safer environment to work in, because it keeps dust down, but this is industry standard and done for both dust and to keep the part/ski being worked on cool as well. Right now we have 7 different water-cleaned grinding machines and will likely add another couple machines in the next couple years. They are pretty awesome.
- Often overlooked, but we don't overbuild. We don't want to waste energy, time, materials, and money building skis that people don't want or need. We don't always get it right, and occasionally carry too much inventory on a certain model or size, but we try to run as lean as we can and move further into lean manufacturing every day.
- One other thing that is great for sustainability and cost for us - we're bringing more and more processes in house. As such, we've been able to get way more parts out of our material. I believe since bringing our material in house we've been able to get, on average, one extra ski core per sheet of bamboo.
- Currently we either recut all of our scrap bamboo into marketing material (aka coasters for our shops) or we donate it for other uses (see Treefort Lifestyles recent bamboo work).
- Lastly, and this is as much for our own sanity than anything else. We picked a more expensive factory space in the city compared to larger, more affordable spaces further outside the city we would all have to drive to. We're a 5 minutes walk from a MAX light rail station, everyone who works here can easily bike to work, we pretty central for the places we need to access in the city, so when we do need to drive somewhere (Home Depot, Winks, etc), we don't have to be in the car a ton. I will admit this was as much about being in the city as anything else, but a lot of days we have far more bikes here than cars and we pay for that option in our $/SF.
Some brands talk about bio-plastics and such. You'll notice they often only use that material on a couple models, because honestly the bio-plastic tech isn't there yet to compete with UHMW. Some people are running basalt, but again, usually on a model or two because it isn't as good as glass/carbon. We've also been testing flax cores/glass-replacement material for awhile, and again, not happy with how they ski, so we continue using carbon and glass.
The next big thing our Material Manager wants to move to is a plant-based VOC removal system around the factory. I've only been in the initial two meetings on this, so he can elaborate far more than me, but essentially we would install a ton of easy to sustain plants around the shop that use their root systems to clear our air of all sorts of VOCs (CO2, any acetone fumes, etc). The system will take a considerable amount of cost to set up, but just another thing we want to get running to improve the work environment at the factory.
After that, we have some things planned that should bring base material usage down by 15% per 500 pairs of skis. Cost there isn't huge, but again, it helps refine and lean out the production process more and more so we are being more efficient in our materials and limiting both materials and financial waste.
So we do what we can to lessen our impact on the environment, but the reality is we can only do so much at our size. We aren't big enough to dictate much as far as material development, local utilities, and so on. Nonetheless, this is something we meet on several times a year to review and explore. We try to balance out building the best skis we can in the most sustainable processes and materials. Hopefully we find new ways in the future to continue to improve our skis and manufacturing process and further lessen our environmental impact.
BWalmerThere should be a page for this on the website somewhere...while marketing wise it's not important, it's really important as an industry standard and suitability standard. One of the major reasons I'm proud of the company honestly.
iggyskierPillowfight topsheets
PudgeYooo00o0 wut
iggyskierYep.
PudgeI like a quality pair of fun bags and a swelltastic base as much as the next feller, but those Jeff 114/122 graphics are too minty to pass up.
Will they be a new version of Eh ski and Pillow Fights, or the same graphic as past season?
