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Feb 18 2014 5:20PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE PART ABOUT SOLE NEGOTIATION RIGHTS? Jesus. Talib had no idea about other offers he could have commanded until day 1 of free agency. He tried to negotiate with the Patriots, were unable to come to an agreement for whatever reason, and he walked.

You are right, they are not. Revis is making more than him in a single year.
Mar 13 2014 10:27AM
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.MASSHOLE.
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*single year basis.
Mar 13 2014 10:28AM
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hey-dude-its-me
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oh shit I forgot about those, cant believe the #1 corner on the market in a year after there were no corners on the market would wait to hear more than the first offer, you know the offer that your team couldnt match? your single year comment effectively ends this argument, see ya
Mar 13 2014 10:33AM
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.MASSHOLE.
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God you are thick. You are missing my point. The Patriots attempted to come to an agreement with Talib BEFORE the market opened and they could not for whatever reason. They didnt offer him the length that he wanted, but they could offer him the money (12 million for one year) that a top safety commands. There are a lot of times players do not make it out of this sole negotiation stage (Monroe, Pitta, Maclin, etc).

And your comment about the #1 safety on the market discredits your entire football "knowledge". The #1 position is always up for debate.

You're missing the following:

Revis
Grimes
Verner
Davis
Shields
Thurmond III
Browner (despite his suspension)

Mar 13 2014 10:43AM
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.MASSHOLE.
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Insert corner for safety.
Mar 13 2014 10:46AM
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feihlination
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fact is the patriots, which clearly have enough cap THIS year chose to sign revis instead of talib.

i wouldve liked them to keep talib, no doubt, but it didnt work out. none of us know all the details. but a long-term deal for talib would certainly have been cheaper for this years cap than the contract which revis eventually got.

so the argument that they couldnt resign him for cap reasons is dumb, since their actions showed that THIS year, they have enough cap space. teams dont get fined for potentially being over the cap next year.

tbh, i think they let him go for the same reasons they let welker go. both are nice players, but the pats will have a good chance to reach the AFC championship game regardless of their presence. both contributed directly to losses in the playoffs. the pats need guys that can put them over the hump, and apparently, they thought that both of these guys are not worth what they are demanding.

welker had too many drops (and he missed quite a few games for the broncos this year as well) as a patriot when it counted. talib never played 16 games in his career. he missed 3 this year, not including the welker-induced injury in the playoffs. he missed 6 last year, not including when he got hurt in the AFC championship game. he missed 3 in 2011 and 5 in 2010.

if you still think that talib "never was injured", how about comparing it to a guy which is "made out of glass". ryan mathews, chargers RB has pretty much that label (although he kind of got away from it this year).

mathews missed 10 games in his career. during the same span, talib missed 17 games. idc if you are injured or suspended. youre not on the field.
Mar 13 2014 3:44PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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they couldnt offer the same deal the broncos did, which is the deal he accepted, end of story. revis and talib werent looking for the same sort of contracts.


I didnt say he was never injured and I dont know why you bring everything back to the chargers
Mar 13 2014 4:24PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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No shit they couldnt. Bronco's best players are all on rookie contracts (save Manning). But Revis is and will be getting paid more. His salary for 2015 (despite the fact he will be traded/released) is 20 million. It all came down to the front office's willingness to give the money the players are looking for.


Looks like Wilfork will be released too. Sad day.
Mar 13 2014 4:27PM
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feihlination
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QFE. he missed 17 games and wasnt 100% in a few others.
Mar 13 2014 4:49PM
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feihlination
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they had the salary cap space to do it theoretically, since the 12 million this year are probably more than what a long-term talib deal wouldve meant in the first year.


the chargers reference is just to underscore the point that he is "injury-prone". i read on every single nfl.com story about the chargers offense how other teams fans tell "us" to get rid of mathews since he cannot stay healthy.

but he missed 10 games, talib 17. again, injured or suspended, who cares? suspended is even worse.


i am the first who doesnt like that "injury-prone" tag, i admit that. but some guys just seem to handle the wear and tear better than others and if you shell out a 60 million dollar contract, you have to take that into account.

again, i wouldve liked it if talib stayed, but the broncos essentially paid him like a guy without injury and legal issues. the pats know him and apparently they were more comfortable in getting another guy. thats all we know, everything else is behind the scenes.
Mar 13 2014 4:54PM
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Kekambas.
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Brandon Spikes to the Bills?
Mar 14 2014 2:48PM
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feihlination
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given that his market was pretty soft, i think he would be nice overall fit for them.

they have a great cover LB in alonso, so i think they should be able to put spikes in favorable positions where he can do what he does best.
Mar 14 2014 4:06PM
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Kekambas.
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yeah they've already said theyre moving Kiko to the weak side, so he'd be nice.
Mar 14 2014 5:06PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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^yea theyre going to be exciting

broncos can have sanders, feel bad for his agent's other clients tho he and them are going to be the ones that suffer. ruined his name and its not even a great contract
Mar 17 2014 4:51PM
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GayWolf420
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sooo colts owner likes to get banged up in his spare time, eh?
Mar 17 2014 4:52PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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if theres such thing as a billionaire loser then this guy is it. 50 something daddys boy whos squandered more than hes accomplished

Mar 17 2014 5:01PM
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GayWolf420
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he seems like a giant douche

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Mar 17 2014 6:11PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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shaub to the raiders. seems like a bad deal for both teams
Mar 21 2014 9:12AM
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Kekambas.
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Forgot to ask this earlier...Is it normal for teams to falsify injury reports?
Mar 21 2014 9:40AM
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KZA
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Glad the redskins made some smart team-friendly signings. Sick of winning free agency and losing everything else!

Now hopefully Pryor will fall to us by some sort of miracle!
Mar 21 2014 10:16AM
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feihlination
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i think it depends on what they are giving them and if he is willing to take a paycut. i know they have the cap space, but still. lets say they send the texans something like a 3rd-4th rounder, its not that bad

obviously they are not comfortable with taking a QB in the first round and all QBs that you would get afterwards shouldnt really be better than schaub THIS YEAR.

you still have to develop a long-term solution, but you have a slightly above-average QB now to work with.

the raiders now are kind of even. they paid hilarious amounts to a few guys but also filled a lot of slots with solid guys at fair prices.
Mar 21 2014 10:58AM
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feihlination
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overall i think there is a legit chance that at least one of the top 3 QBs falls out of the top 15. just a few minor actions that point in that direction. all 3 guys seem to have question marks around them and i dont think any team views them as instant starters short term and face of the franchise long term.

and there are too many 2nd tier QBs who might be as good as anybody if they can sit and learn for a couple of years. vikings resigned cassel, jaguars resigned henne, raiders appear to get schaub. these moves indicate to me that these teams would rather get a QB in a later round and develop him instead of taking the gamble in the top 10. dark horses are the texans, browns and bills in the top 10 and titans at 11. after that, the jets and cardinals (18/20) are the next teams in the market for a QB.

just a few observations, since it was pretty much set in stone that 3 QBs go in the first 5 picks and now there is at least a scenario possible where one or two of them fall out of the top 10 and beyond.
Mar 21 2014 11:37AM
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hey-dude-its-me
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normal for one team, you can guess which one
Mar 21 2014 12:09PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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haha I didnt even realize it was a current story but yea no surprises there. 3 superbowls before getting caught cheating, 0 after
Mar 21 2014 12:12PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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Read up boys. It is not unheard of.

Leading off the day with a quick thought on a story that seems to have sprung to life ...

With former Patriots players Aqib Talib and Brandon Spikes making comments about the Patriots' injury reporting procedures -- Talib regarding his hip, Spikes about why he was placed on season-ending injured reserve in January -- it has sparked headlines that create a perception the club might be skirting league rules.



To which we'd offer an emphatic response: Come on, man!

In Talib's case, the story was about the club listing his quad injury as a hip injury. This is common practice around the NFL, and has been for years, as most coaches will acknowledge they are actually trying to protect the player.

As former Steelers coach Bill Cowher once said, "Sometimes when a guy had an ankle [injury], I might list it as a knee, just because I didn't want people knowing where to take shots at my players."

Meanwhile, in Spikes' case, he seemed to be saying that he could have played through a knee injury in the playoffs. That's fair, as he gutted his way through the 16-game regular season even when it was clear that he was hampered by the injury, providing an emotional charge to his teammates in the process.

But that was never really the main question with Spikes at the time. The bigger issue was that the team placed him on injured reserve due to a combination of the injury and not showing up for practice one day during the playoff bye week, as reported by ESPN NFL senior analyst Chris Mortensen.

If I had to guess, what Spikes is contesting is that it was a mutual decision.

Those situations, again, are commonplace in the NFL.

One final thought is that NFL guidelines for injury reporting are straightforward: Any player that might be in jeopardy of not playing that week should be listed. This was chronicled, among other places, in a 2007 USA Today story:
The NFL injury report dates from 1947, when it was mandated by then-commissioner Bert Bell because of an incident the previous season.

It "had to do with a player who was injured and [unexpectedly] didn't play in the game," [NFL Vice President of Communications Greg] Aiello says. "There were questions about that, and [Bell] realized that wasn't good for the integrity of the league, so there should be disclosure about the condition of players."
That was never in question in the cases of Talib and Spikes. Thus, I'm not sure why it has generated some momentum, other than the Patriots are often an easy target.

Surely, they push the envelope at times, but in this case they're taking an undeserved hit.


Mar 21 2014 12:25PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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"Read up boys I specifically searched for an article written in a certain tone because I'm biased and found one"
Mar 21 2014 12:49PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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Well considering no one is making a big deal of it this issue except the former players, it is hard to find an article that address the situation on hand.

The only part I really cared about is what Bill Cowher said. Thats all you should take away as well. It is not unheard of, it is a means to protect the player as well as disguise how injured they may or may not be. Besides, Spikes is just upset he was put on IR because of his attitude.
Mar 21 2014 12:52PM
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i know you have your anti-patriots agenda and wont listen anyways, but this is such a non-issue its not even funny.

first of all, all the tags "questionable, doubtful, probable" and whatever (i know they are based on percentages how likely it is that the player will suit up) are just words.

if they call a quad injury a hip issue, who the hell cares? the whole spikes situation was different, but a team can place a player on IR whenever they want to. he obviously had SOME kind of injury, so its not even that outlandish. its not like they are gaining anything from it, they forfeit to use this players' service for the reminder of the season.

every team has an own way of reporting injuries. a quick research shows that in wk 17 last year (i would say every team has a ton of guys with minor injuries at that point), the bears reported TWO players on their injury report, while the jets listed 16 players and all but one were "probable".

if you look down that list, the pats actually look like one of the few teams which invests more time in their injury report (given that they actually care to differentiate between the injury tags).

http://www.nfl.com/injuries?week=17
Mar 21 2014 2:10PM
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this is the dumbest argument ever. you cannot be serious.

so they are good enough to be in the AFC championship game year in, year out, but for winning the thing, they need "cheating"?

and please read up again on what they were actually fined for. the information on the tapes is legal, however they were not taken from a legal booth. but please go on with your sorry life. goddamnit i had no issues with you but lately youre just going way overboard with your horseshit hate against teams you dont like. stay fair and on-topic. that past is the past and they paid a high price for forgetting to put a roof over their camera.
Mar 21 2014 2:14PM
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It was still real cheating, lets not act like it wasn't.

However they were a few plays from winning it 2 more times, they certainly showed the ability to win it without cheating.
Mar 21 2014 10:12PM
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again, it was illegal and they deserved to be fined for it. but people act like the taping of signals is illegal. no its not and everybody does it. they didnt do it from a legal perspective/booth. they couldve acquired very similar information legally, just from a slightly differing angle. i mean, the defensive signals are visible on the TV broadcast as well, i seriously dont understand the huge hatred teams have for the pats because of that.

yes, again, they broke the rules and got penalized rightfully, but thats pretty much it. trying to put an asterisk on their super bowl wins or badmouth their success (probably still more playoff wins since their last super bowl win than most other teams) after it.

they were literally two plays (minus tyree catch, plus welker catch) away from having won 5 super bowls. they were at the AFC championship game 5 times since their last super bowl win. pretty bad, huh?

this isnt so much directed at you, more at hey dude its him
Mar 22 2014 7:55AM
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hey-dude-its-me
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No, they showed an inability to win without cheating, the results aren't debatable.

This convo sucks but destroying the evidence is the same sort of admission of guilt as refusing to blow on a breathalyzer
Mar 22 2014 8:38AM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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The hawks gave up a 1st round pick for Harvin last year, the eagles are about to get nothing for a similar but IMO better player. lolololol classic eagles.


And Dez is less of a diva than everyone likes to think, he wants to win but his team never really cares. If he was paired with a committed and focused team like the pats, hawks, broncos, or even the Steelers, he wouldn't even be known as being an issue.
Mar 24 2014 12:38PM
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i remember the game against the packers. when the cowboys needed a play late, dez delivered. he effectively ended the game (obviously romo threw the pick later) with a huge 3rd and long conversion, had this great TD late, 150+ yds.

i agree there is a border between being emotional and just acting ridiculous, but he is the best player on that team. i dont watch a bunch of cowboys games, but that is the impression i got from every single one of those i did watch. romo is also a lot better than most people think, he has just too many replacement level brains around him that he has to direct on every other snap.
Mar 24 2014 5:01PM
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theBearJew
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He heard they were after Sanchez and knew he needed to stay.
Mar 25 2014 12:40PM
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Kekambas.
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RIP Ralph Wilson
Mar 25 2014 3:14PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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^turned 25,000 into 870,000,000. not bad
Mar 25 2014 5:30PM
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idk about him being a backup. being a borderline starter does not equal being a above-average backup.

i mean being a backup QB is mentally very tough. like cousins a while back. RGIII goes down late in the game and youre coming in for your first snap on 4th down, game on the line.

you cannot get "into a rhythm", you cannot get a feel for the game over several drives and you still have to perform without sufficient practice reps.

obviously sanchez was overscrutinized since he played in NY, but i am not sure if the mental aspect is the best card in this hand.
Mar 26 2014 8:43AM
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please guys note that lamerthanFDR brought the chargers in (via whitehurst).

i think whitehurst is kind of an example for both points of view. he never really had to carry an NFL team and when he had the chance in seattle, he wasnt able to win the starting job. on the other hand, whisenhunt brought him to the titans, so he obviously has to have some qualities as a backup.

i am just not sure if he is a quality backup from a physical perspective (although he has those intangibles i mentioned for a backup) i am sure he is pretty intelligent and my guess is he would be at best used as a passing game assistant or something like that.


but youre right about sanchez having the best opportunity with the eagles if that is where he will end up. but you cannot tell me youre looking forward to seeing him under center if foles goes down, haha :)
Mar 26 2014 12:10PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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We got some new rules!

Some of the bigger changes are a simplified set of review/replay rules, and the involvement of the NY office for in-game reviews. I think this will actually speed up replays and help get more bad calls wrong, and end some of the stupid penalties coaches get for throwing red flags.

Next we got extended field goal posts, this was kind of a no brainer, not much to lose from it and a whole lot of clarity gained. The over-the-post kick is rare, but its decided some big games in a controversial way that will finally be over.

One im afraid might happen is playoff expansion, which IMO would be bad. The playoffs work well now with the dual bye, and even though its sad when a team like last years cards don't make it in, it creates the best week 17 match-ups and a more competitive playoffs. I really wish there was room in the NFL for maybe 4 more teams, the talent would still be there and then a bigger schedule/playoffs would make sense and still be competitive, but the 32 teams works too nicely. But still, We'd get an LA team, probably a Toronto team, maybe an SLC or Portland team, and probably another midwest team. Would be dope.
Mar 26 2014 12:45PM
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idk why in the world they wouldnt abandon OT in preseason games. i think they are still thinking about it and there is nothing final, but wy would this even be an issue?

most fans already exited the stadium even though your teams 4th string QB just tied the game with a 90 yd touchdown drive with 10 other guys which might combine for 1 game on the active roster anyways.
Mar 26 2014 12:59PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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see the thing is the coaches already don't love the preseason. They like a few games to see how players perform in a game setting, but they already want it to be over by 3 games. Getting rid of OT is getting rid of minutes no one wanted anyways.
Mar 26 2014 1:09PM
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reread. i am absolutely in favor of abandoning OT in preseason games.
Mar 26 2014 1:10PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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I reread, you get it.
Mar 26 2014 1:12PM
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GayWolf420
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whats everyones take on the league cracking down on on-field taunting? i think its bullshit, let the dudes shit talk each other all day long. adds more fuel to your flame to kick some ass, i think.
Mar 26 2014 7:37PM
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Kekambas.
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my dude
Mar 26 2014 9:34PM
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GayWolf420
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And that goal post shit is dumb too. they're gonna lose fans for sure.
Mar 27 2014 1:39PM
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KZA
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Yeah man, seriously. The only reason I watch football is to see people try to dunk on the goal post. Without that, why even watch?!?!?!
Mar 27 2014 2:05PM
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theBearJew
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Dolphins sign Knowshawn Morano. Hopefully a good pickup. Needed an RB.
Mar 27 2014 3:40PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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no, but over the last decade more and more of the fun has been taken out of football. The leauge wants it to be as serious as possible, but yeah some of TO's ridiculous dances or the U-Miami inspired antics are fun to watch and do bring in viewers.
Mar 27 2014 3:49PM
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