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will_powder
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Probably about as pumped as I've ever been for a women's slope event.

Will the jumps be too big? Will Lisa toss a dub? What will go down, who's gonna win?

On tonight/early tomorrow morning. Finals 1 am - 2 am CBC, qualis earlier then that.
Feb 10 2014 4:29PM
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DaWhiteWeapon
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What im trying to say is that the women are capable of so much more than what they do. There like 10 years behind the guys
Feb 11 2014 7:30PM
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Benson.
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No, they really aren't capable of much more. Women are athletically inferior to men, it's a fact. WNBA teams get beaten by high school varsity boys teams, and the US Women's Olympic hockey team practices against high school boys teams and gets beaten, routinely. Examples are all over the place, women's sports are drastically inferior compared to men's. which is why you shouldn't compare the two at all. Are you seriously insinuating that Olympic athletes at the peak of their sport aren't trying or "are capable of so much more".
Feb 11 2014 8:01PM
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cheaaaaaa
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the finals replay is nbc right now. stoked to hear the golden voice of luke vanValin

is that a new oakley lens anna segal has??
Feb 11 2014 8:10PM
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johnk
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you're dumb.. somebody said that he could "never do those tricks off a 95 ft jump" he just said he could... that is it...
Feb 11 2014 8:17PM
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deleted5
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4th most wrong thing i have ever read on this site, implying going off a ski jump and doing 2 flips take a huge amount of strength woman can do it they just chose not to.
Feb 11 2014 8:21PM
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galardogod
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That zeroe spin doe
Feb 11 2014 8:35PM
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cheaaaaaa
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but for the acrobatically inclined girls, its so obvious why the vast majority would choose gymnastics over skiing: proximity of facilities to your average town, lack of seasons, cultural gender stereotypes, drastic cost differences, integration into school systems, and simply the fact that its well established. although its frustrating to know they are totally capable of better, lets not play dumb as to why its not so

I think the reason this does not apply to guys is 90 percent gender roles. Soooo hopefully in having this event in the olympics, especially for the ladies, it will offset some of the genera role issues associated with skiing/snowboarding and in doing so draw in relatively more ladies into the sport, thereby upping the caliber to what we know it can be
Feb 11 2014 8:43PM
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SkiThe603
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seriously how was not worth a silver, D-Logan had a good run but fucking switch zero spiiiiin that went 100ft.....like DAAAAAAAMMMMMMMNNN
Feb 11 2014 8:50PM
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DaWhiteWeapon
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yes i am implying that. Dont get me wrong the top 3-5 runs where alright but still only the equivalent of what 14 year old guys are doing today. I can guarantee you that the some of these girls are more physically fit and stronger than I am. which gives them no reason to not be doing doubles. The only difference is that women's slopestyle has no competition between the athletes. because there is only 1 girl every 5 or so years that comes along with better tricks than the rest of the girls they see no reason to progress. Whereas in mens slopestyle guys get bored from doing 360s and 540 which pushes everyone to try new tricks. As soon as one person learns that new trick every one wants it and the sport is pushed a little further every year.
Feb 11 2014 8:52PM
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blindside
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Lisa should have been scored higher. Ya her run was really sketchy, but she threw the most tech tricks and by doing so is progressing women's skiing. If we want progression in women's competitions then skiers like Lisa need to be rewarded.
Feb 11 2014 8:56PM
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casual
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Wait.....so she did a straight air?
Feb 11 2014 8:57PM
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theabortionator
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Some of the womens rail game gave me hope. The one from britain with the 4 out and kfed. Smooth as hell. People doing 2 disasters on the dfd and people hitting some of the rails including the wallride box thing switch.

Pretty sick
Feb 11 2014 8:59PM
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special-J
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hahahaha you're a fucking loser.



And I just watched the broadcast and am super disappointed. Not with the skiing, but with the fact that they showed about 1/4 of the runs. I understand the time crunch and all but women's luge was on for hours earlier today, which I think anyone with eyes can agree is far less exciting.
Feb 11 2014 9:05PM
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anti_bunk
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Huge lolz at commentary on Dara's first run "she gets that mute grab made famous by Johnny Mosley in moguls and then transitioned into slopestyle".
Feb 11 2014 9:20PM
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galardogod
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Ik holey shit my dad asked me why guys dont do this. I simply replied they dont have the balls
Feb 11 2014 9:27PM
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calisto.iv
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I feel like while the girls who podiumed killed it, the horrible conditions and the absence of some of the top girls (Tiril, Lisa, Maggie), degraded the level of competition.

With all the top girls there and better snow conditions there would have been more dubs and better variety of tricks.

In saying that I thought Kims run was epic, the zero spin took balls and I thought she deserved silver.

I don't think anyone on this thread is in a position to judge, Olympic pressure and all that obviously affected some of the girls (Kaya for example).

Overall the competition was exciting and I'm looking forward to the mens. Also thoughts are with Yuki for that hard slam.
Feb 11 2014 9:28PM
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Breaking_Rad
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I think the problem is the word "inferior".

Women are actually allowed to have their own sports and progress at their own level. In some sports the difference, to most, is hardly noticeable.

Men gymnasts are far stronger and do more than women. Still, women's gymnastics holds its own. Most Top 5000 men's tennis players could beat any women champions. Still, tennis holds its own. Women's volleyball...same. Maybe even stuff like golf where the men aren't so clearly in the picture that the comparisons are so readily apparent. Lots of sports like that (don't get me started on WNBA..that shit is unwatchable).

The point is the slopestyle girls comp had some kinks, but it was pretty entertaining. It would have been even more entertaining if Maggie, Tiril (and even Kaya) had been there to ring in some excitement. Sure, they aren't pulling off triples, but it is still entertaining and they are also being forced to do it on jumps legitimately about 25-30% too big. Scale the jumps back 25% and all of a sudden the 900s, 1080s and even some doubles come out.

If your gauge of sport is how they stack up to men...that's sort of weak. They aren't competing against the men and they have every right to be the best in their gender for their sport. It is progressing, but women's slopestyle doesn't benefit from the shear number of participants the men's.

Bottom line, it is an Olympic Sport and it showed pretty well last night. Was it flawless, hardly, but with those conditions and the reduced field it was pretty legit.

I get that it isn't up to the men's level of the sport, but I think a lot of women's sports are meant to inspire women. I think the general consensus from this forum (of mostly dudes) is that it was pretty watchable and fun....I think that's something.
Feb 11 2014 9:29PM
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Breaking_Rad
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Another quick example might be ski racing and even moguls.

Do we do side by side comparisons of Bode Miller to Lindsey Vonn? No, the simply both rip down the mountain it takes a huge sack to blast down at those speeds. Nobody is dogging them because "oh, she took turn 5 so wide....pussy!"

Same with moguls. The guys are throwing Cork 1080s and double flips and most of the girls are threes and backies. Still, the two Canadians and Hannah Kearney legitimitely rip.

Is Women's Slopestyle at the top of its curve? Not yet, but throw the respect to the pioneers paving the way.
Feb 11 2014 9:38PM
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deleted5
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Should be more of an incentive, because of how easy it would be to be the top ranked ranked skier in the world.
Feb 11 2014 10:28PM
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DERS.
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in all honesty i think kelly sidaru coulda won this.. is she too young im guessing? pull some chinese shit and say shes 16 haha. looking forward to her taking over the comp game and forcing the ladies to throw some bigger tricks.
Feb 11 2014 10:55PM
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CrotchKiller
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don't wanna read through all this bullshit. where can i see some runs?
Feb 11 2014 10:57PM
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will_powder
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Watch it live then.
Feb 12 2014 12:13AM
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CrotchKiller
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yea?



think she'll turn out fine
Feb 12 2014 12:21AM
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special-J
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so if I want to actually see the event I have to watch it at 4 am and with a subscription (NBC-wise)? Apparently they have been skipping a lot of people's runs in all the events and people are getting fed up with it according to the news.
Feb 12 2014 12:26AM
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Pancake_Fucker
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A switch zero spin is a lot harder than just a straight air.
Feb 12 2014 12:27AM
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Breaking_Rad
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This just out today. Take a look at her comp run. It is pretty legit.


Feb 12 2014 12:33AM
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.Duncan.
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Straight Air....
Feb 12 2014 12:35AM
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OGHolliday
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Kelly obviously destroys, but no she wouldn't have even come close. In fact, I doubt she would even dream of hitting those jumps at this point considering her size and the fact she's a 14 year old (this is a complete guess, but seems correctish) girl. Yes in her edits her bag of tricks probably could match everything thrown today, but you have to realize the courses major competitions are held on aren't your average terrain park. Mind you I'm that guy who watches girls slope with his friends and says "I can do that" to almost every trick and snickers. What I'm not telling them is I do it all on features half the size with half the consequence. Lets be honest boys if these girls came to your local hill and challenged you to a game of skate they would probably send you home crying to your mommies. I mean that fucking zero spin, my nuts will never be that large. That being said I believe progression would clearly be amped way up in contests if girls had a separate course. That being said I don't think any of the girls would want that. Sure, it may slow comp progression down for a little while, but as the number of girl skiers grows they will push each other further and further and become more and more comfortable on the massive features presented to them. Remember our sport is not only young, but male dominated. The girls we watch today are ultimately the first generation of female park skiers of all time. Just as Lindsay Vonn would beat us all down the mountain, eventually there will be girl park skiers who will be better than every blue name on this website.
Feb 12 2014 12:37AM
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K-Dot.
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Feb 12 2014 12:38AM
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cheaaaaaa
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not many people are driven to be number 1 in a sport purely because of a lack of depth in the field. especially when theres plenty of motives that counteract that simple concept (the ones i listed). ... similarly, i don't plan on taking up yo-yo competitions or the luge because theres better odds i could make it to the top.

but yeah i wish there was a way to make it more appealing, or as you said "incentive", ideally the olympics can do just that.
Feb 12 2014 12:57AM
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cheaaaaaa
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not many people are driven to be number 1 in a sport purely because of a lack of depth in the field. especially when theres plenty of motives that counteract that simple concept (the ones i listed). ... similarly, i don't plan on taking up yo-yo competitions or the luge because theres better odds i could make it to the top.

but yeah i wish there was a way to make it more appealing, or as you said "incentive", ideally the olympics can do just that.
Feb 12 2014 12:58AM
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pow_pow~
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it was her fault. she reverted on the landing of the previous jump. it was pretty obvious she wouldnt have the speed as soon as that happened.
Feb 12 2014 2:14AM
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ShredMasterPlus
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Women are capable of more. Look at rock climbing. Hardest route put up by the men is 5.15c and heres an 18 year old girl sending 5.14d, honestly can't tell you how much harder 5.15 is by comparison but heres a sport where the genders are much closer together.

Sasha DiGiulian. "Pure Imagination" 5.14d (9a). from adidas Outdoor on Vimeo.



Also, even more impressive. Lynn hill doing the first free ascent of The Nose on El Cap http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Hill
Feb 12 2014 2:25AM
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will_powder
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Whatever dude. Get a VPN and watch CBC replays then.

NBC blows a dick, CBC is where it's at.
Feb 12 2014 2:31AM
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freelowda
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No. That shit shouldn't be rewarded just for the sake of 'progression'. So many of these skiers need to dial the basics first... clean grabs, pop, skiing with good flow to link a run, and etc. All of that is seriously lacking on the women's side of things.
Feb 12 2014 2:33AM
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blindside
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Let them dial the basics on their own time or in video segments/edits. Competition, least of all competition at the so-called highest level, shouldn't be about the basics. If freeskiing is going to be subjected to a competitive format -which I'm not a fan of, but that's besides the point- then judging needs to be based on objective criteria. So quantifiable variables such as degrees of rotation, amplitude and yes, length of a grab I agree with you there, should be most heavily weighted when scoring a run. i.e. spin to win.


Feb 12 2014 3:00AM
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freelowda
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No it's not all about basics, but that's what is lacking here fundamentally, not more spins and hucking. That progression will happen but first things first. Criteria aside, this type of contest will always come down to subjective style, tis the nature. Until women's freeskiing matures a bit more, I'd rather not see sketchy-ass skiers throwing the dice for a win.
Feb 12 2014 3:13AM
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Crazy_E
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The biggest issue I had was the girls forcing themselves to hit the big jumps. With the shitty conditions they should have hit the smaller takeoffs that were built for them, then maybe some of the injuries could have been avoided. Plus I'd much rather see a well thrown, stylish cork 7 or 9 off the small jump than a wild, out of control, sketchy looking 5 off the big jump. Unfortunately the fear of being docked for not hitting the big Jumps.
Feb 12 2014 3:52AM
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RubberSoul
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idk why this post is downvoted a few times, i think youre right on most of your points. there's no way kelly sildaru would have won, she's so sick but that's a crazy thing to claim

there are a couple of minor things i disagree with but on the whole your exactly right IMO
Feb 12 2014 10:44AM
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d-rok
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this is an article from a local news paper in québec:
http://www.lapresse.ca/debats/chroniques/yves-boisvert/201402/12/01-4737974-filles-en-or-pour-un-sport-boiteux.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_lire_aussi_4737963_article_POS3
il basicaly says that girl skiers suck and that the sport is not ready for the olympics, 7 out of 12 riders fell in finals
Feb 12 2014 11:13AM
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danbrown
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i highly doubt that
Feb 12 2014 11:32AM
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youRsmellA
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google translated - "it's all still a little too crappy"
Feb 12 2014 11:39AM
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Frediboy94
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I live in Finland. For the past three years I've watched every single X-games and Dew Tour skiing event on live streams, no matter if they were on at 7 pm or 4 am. If you really want to watch something a few lost hours of sleep won't kill you. I'm not saying that you have to do this, or even recommend it. I'm just saying that it's completely doable. Drink some coffee, prepare some snacks and make a fun thing of it!

Oh, and you can usually find a good stream if you look hard enough. In my understanding no runs were skipped on most live streams. Also, I find it most enjoyable to watch comps live. They're not half as exciting if I already know who got on the podium before I start watching! :)
Feb 12 2014 12:07PM
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danbrown
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i watched womens slope prelims and finals on the nbcsports.com livestream two nights ago and they didnt skip a single run
Feb 12 2014 12:14PM
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deleted5
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That was a horrific example, A lot of girls I know switch from gymnastics to springboard diving for that exact reason. Also luge and world championship yo-yo competitions take more skill and are more competitive than women's freestyle skiing. I guarantee you if you tried either one of those things you would fail miserably.
Feb 12 2014 12:39PM
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errrka
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Does anyone have a link to the semifinals and finals run that works in the US?
Feb 12 2014 1:07PM
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cheaaaaaa
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the example was a joke, the sport mentioned was arbitrary. but that's in interesting truth I quoted above. news to me
Feb 12 2014 1:24PM
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Vino
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Henry is the man.

And I think it's really sick to finally see some emotion from Kelly after being stoked on her run.
Feb 12 2014 1:29PM
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errrka
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If you watch it on primetime nbc they only show about 20 minutes of each event, so we only saw about 6 different runs, and nothing from semifinals
Feb 12 2014 1:36PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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http://olympics.cbc.ca/index.html

then

http://letushide.com/location/ca/list_of_free_Canada_proxy_servers

plug one of those proxy IP's into your custom proxy setting in Chrome or Firefox. Then enjoy all of the olympics for free on CBC.
Feb 12 2014 1:40PM
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