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The VICE Q&A

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"FREE chronicles Freeskiing's ascension to sports biggest stage, the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics. VICE followed four of the sports most promising young athletes as they fight to make the US Olympic Freestlye Ski team for the sports first ever inclusion in the Winter Games."



Here's how this Q&A works:

1) You post your question(s) in here
2) The VICE staff behind FREE will answer them directly in this thread.
3) Once there's a decent amount of Q&A's, I'll create a recap news article.

As always, try to keep it on-topic, and don't hesitate to ask the hard hitting questions. Do us proud NS!
Feb 5 2014 1:25PM
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louie.mirags
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I found out about Vice via the Joe Rogan Experience and such a big emphasis was put on Vice putting out unbiased material. However, this documentary has corporate interest screaming out from the banks. Having knowledge on the history freeskiing and then seeing this vice video, I now need to question the material in all of Vice' s work. How can I trust the info being presented when I know the freeski documentary was an advertisement for the Olympics in disguise. I'm disappointed to say the least.
Feb 13 2014 7:17AM
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japollner
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Really? What is the corporate interest?
Feb 13 2014 10:15AM
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Curb.
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Has Vice even answered one question?
Feb 13 2014 10:20AM
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ZeMagnificentKev
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I feel like the way they cut it made Tanner seem like some washed out loser who's just bitter he's not in the Olympics. Which is some kinda bullshit, Tanner is still going hard to this day, just because he doesn't compete don't mean shit. Fucking Devin too, that got me a little upset, like if Tanner competed in the girls slop or pipe today he'd sweep the competition no fucking problem.
Feb 13 2014 10:56AM
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joshua
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Well for starters they basically only featured North Face sponsored athletes. Second they didn't even delve into anything other than the current Olympic year.

A proper title would've been "The Journey American North Face Athletes to the US Olympic Team in the 2013/14 season. With a few other faces"
Feb 13 2014 1:41PM
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louie.mirags
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This
Feb 14 2014 8:36AM
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japollner
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Who had the best chance of making it to the Olympics? Tom Wallish, Devin Logan, Aaron Blunk, Maddie Bowman.

These were the skiers who had the best chance of "for sure" making the team. And aside from the situation with Tom, all of them did. You don't tee up a documentary of freeskiers enroute to the Olympics, and then begin shooting characters who might not make it.

You can claim it's corporate interest all you want, but when it all came down to it, TNF put the check on the table for VICE to start shooting. You wouldn't have seen this documentary otherwise. Bishop can claim all he wants that NS should have been consulted, but as of late, all NS "news" has been is other sites content with NS bumpers placed top and bottom for hits. It's bullshit.

If you would rather have seen Chevy Trucks front the cash, then thats your prerogative. TNF stepped up to put some athletes into the limelight, and to showcase the sport. It was a real documentary about the skiers. It wasn't modified to create some false pretense about how cool and rad and chill the athletes were and how much weed they smoke and how they hike rails all day.

It was real, and the reason some of the crew on here has such a problem with what it showed is that what they equate as "freeskiing" is not what happens at an Olympic level.

If you feel that the story was done an injustice then go out and make a better film.


Feb 15 2014 7:42PM
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joshua
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That's fine, all I'm saying that there is clearly a corporate interest in the film. It just seemed pretty directed toward TNF IMO. I'm not saying it was a poorly made documentary, it did do a great job of laying out the "whose who" of the U.S. team, but it really didn't deliver what the title implied IMO.

Feb 15 2014 9:50PM
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Don't worry too much, notice his sig is www.thenorthface.com?
Feb 16 2014 2:16AM
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louie.mirags
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That is it. I do not have to read anymore. When I first heard about Vice via the Joe Rogan Experience, it was all about an unbiased media outlet. Well, turns out they take $$$$$$ and act as if they are reporting on a subject. No, they were putting together a 45 minute advertisement sponsored by TNF.

Thanks to the dude above highlighting the guy I quoted has TNF in his sig




Goddamn it! I want the VICE documentary we thought we were getting!!!!!!


Feb 16 2014 6:43AM
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I love how it was 2 answers, then done. Great Q&A sesh vice.
Feb 16 2014 11:02AM
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As much as those inside the freeskiing community want it to be 'for us by us' you have to remember that it is being presented on NBC to the an audience of freeskiing laymen. Right or wrong, the forums of NS are not the target audience.

This documentary - like the Olympics - is about being the first interaction many people have with the sport of freeskiing. For all the inside info and interviews with [insert-your-favourite-skier-who-should-have-been-included-here] you can track their personal projects, you know where to find them. As a corporate production, they had to stick with the easily packaged narratives rather than having a million talking heads only known to the core freeskiing audience. Stories are the best way to engage with people, so you want to use them to pique people's interest and get them excited about skiing, not scare them away and make it feel confusing, exclusive and cliquey.

While VICE do on the whole have a journalistic freedom MO, they don't have a money tree or shit cash so they will have to get fronted by corporate sponsors, who will have a say on the direction of the finished product. It is naïve to think that this is the first or only time that VICE has descended from its Mount Pious of gonzo journalism to fund a story it though was worth telling.

For the sport as a whole, in going big time/olympics/mainstream or whatever you want to call it, this is the sort of thing that will happen. I don't know whether it is a good thing or not, that's just the way it is, things'll never be the same, that's just the way it is, aww yeah.

TLDR: It wasn't perfect but I'd rather watch this than sit in a dark room with my thoughts. Skiing will be fine.
Feb 18 2014 8:16AM
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corona
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So is this going to happen? Or have they just accepted they did a shit poor job and are just going to forget about it.
Mar 3 2014 9:21AM
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1) Okay man, I agree 100% with you about D-logan. When she said growing up following her brothers around mount snow, first reaction was a laugh then yeah "following". She probably got to the lift line and they would already be at the top headed down again. Besides the fact the her actual skiing is trash, her slopestyle runs are nothing compared to Grete or Keri. The reason they chose devin is because she is unknown (thank the fucking lord) and because she is young.

2) Second and this is For VICE
Since when does anyone need a coach to go ski backcountry, or big mountain? The lady who "coached" aaron can't do a single thing that he can. Why the fuck is she there, also the Center of Excellence is the most pretentous name in all of recorded mankind. Did we really need to have you make skiing look more of a rich, asshole, stuckup sport than people already think it is? Are you trying to make freeskiing conform, do you want us to be more like snowboarders and just stick to the terrain park while everyone else can enjoy the mountain? Please don't document freeskiing anymore, the film companies such as PBP, Stept, Level 1, TGR, all the european small group making edits, Traveling Circus, those are what need to be watched by the general populace, thank VICE it was a great intro to what now is going to be all these little kids who aren't good at real downhill skiing going into the park to learn 720's, double corks, switch up, etc.
Mar 3 2014 10:20AM
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PeteyWykes
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@vice

Not that the olympics are over can you release the footage you had of other skier, or is that not you footage to release?


Mar 3 2014 10:23AM
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louie.mirags
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Sounding like the latter
Mar 3 2014 11:26AM
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They were sent all the questions last week. Hopefully we'll get the answers & can post the entire Q&A sometime this week!
Mar 3 2014 11:35AM
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corona
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soooo... about this.
Apr 25 2014 10:56PM
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louie.mirags
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VinnieFsoooo... about this.


great bump! I still wish we got the Vice documentary we were all hoping for :/
Apr 25 2014 11:01PM
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Hit them up again, but still have yet to hear back since February...
Apr 28 2014 8:40AM
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f.ray
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Why showing interest in the sport SO late..
Apr 28 2014 2:26PM
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BrokenBones
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Not surprised they have chosen not to reply. It will simply mean more criticism directed at them for The North Face docu-tisment they made. Best thing is to forget they ever made it (something i'm sure pretty much everyone has already done).
Apr 29 2014 4:40PM
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Tanner speaking his mind!

This Vice documentary on the rise of our sport is not even close to how our sport really has risen through the years. Get at me Mike Rogge if you want the truth about how shit really went down. #skiboss #standupforthetruth #thefuckedface #devinloganisouthermind

http://instagram.com/p/oyZCPorWWP/

**This post was edited on Jun 3rd 2014 at 11:50:14am
Jun 3 2014 11:45AM
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MousseauTanner speaking his mind!

This Vice documentary on the rise of our sport is not even close to how our sport really has risen through the years. Get at me Mike Rogge if you want the truth about how shit really went down. #skiboss #standupforthetruth #thefuckedface #devinloganisouthermind

http://instagram.com/p/oyZCPorWWP/

**This post was edited on Jun 3rd 2014 at 11:50:14am

Keep trying.
Jun 3 2014 12:06PM
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*CUMMINGS*Keep trying.


I've already received confirmation that VICE will not be answering the questions.
Jun 3 2014 12:08PM
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MousseauI've already received confirmation that VICE will not be answering the questions.


Classy of them. What about Rogge?
Jun 3 2014 12:13PM
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louie.mirags
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MousseauI've already received confirmation that VICE will not be answering the questions.


This thread and post makes me sad
Jun 3 2014 12:16PM
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J.D.
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*CUMMINGS*Classy of them. What about Rogge?

I suspect that answering the questions when VICE doesn't want them answered would be what one might refer to as a "career-limiting move".
Jun 3 2014 12:27PM
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*CUMMINGS*Classy of them. What about Rogge?


As I said earlier, I was simply told the questions will not be answered.
Jun 3 2014 12:27PM
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J.D.I suspect that answering the questions when VICE doesn't want them answered would be what one might refer to as a "career-limiting move".


This is really making me hate corporate interests.
Jun 3 2014 12:37PM
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