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Evolution vs Creationism debate

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ianj
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI

Starts in about half an hour. Should be interesting to hear.
Feb 4 2014 6:24PM
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SFB
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sounds fucking dumb, no thanks.
Feb 4 2014 6:25PM
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CaptainObvious.
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It's going to be the same shit we've all heard before and we're going to end on the same indecisive note.
Feb 4 2014 6:31PM
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first_rodeo
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plato socrates adsfasd too high
Feb 4 2014 6:32PM
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Pancake_Fucker
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This thread blows.
Feb 4 2014 6:41PM
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mski
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Bill Nye FTW
Feb 4 2014 6:44PM
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mski
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JESUS FTL
Feb 4 2014 6:45PM
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whoa-dere
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god's not real go home op
Feb 4 2014 6:46PM
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howlongcanausern
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if evolution is true, why are there still monkeys?

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Feb 4 2014 6:46PM
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theBearJew
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Love how it just says

"Bill Nye, The Science guy"
Feb 4 2014 6:50PM
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jeremy.g
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damn this is retarded. those photos you see of evolution from the hunched over ape, to the upright human are competely inaccurate. evolution is more like a tree. Monkeys and homosapiens have a common ancestor that we both branched off from. we didnt descend from monkey, both species evolved from something in the past. and scientific theories are hypothesis that are supported by evidence, if a hypothesis has enough provable evidence it becomes a theory. also there is no reputable debate in the scientific community on evolution. its a proven fact. they can even carry out computer modulations and studies on microscopic communities of tiny germs and things that live out thousands of generations very rapidly and see evolution as generations go by.

so kindly shut. the. fuck. up.
Feb 4 2014 6:53PM
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eheath
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Bill is about to tear Ken apart.
Feb 4 2014 6:56PM
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act.resist
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my christian friend posted this on facebook, it doesnt matter what bill nye says shes going to believe ken ham because hes for the bible. Sad really
Feb 4 2014 6:59PM
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theBearJew
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This will probably be alot of peoples reactions to this. Don't care if it logically may make sense, Bible.
Feb 4 2014 7:07PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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it's ok, i just want to see bill nye talk and make sense and lol at people denying it.
Feb 4 2014 7:10PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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How is it, that in the year 2014, we are still having debates as to whether a giant, bearded, dragon-rider in the sky created us in 6 days, 6,000 years ago vs. the insurmountable evidence that we were created through some sort of cosmic explosion of sorts (Im trying to tread lightly for there are multiple theories). Fucking blow my mind.
Feb 4 2014 7:12PM
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Balto
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If you could argue with religious people there would be no religious people. I'm prepared for a lot of "Nope you're wrong, we don't have any evidence or shit but you're wrong" from Ken
Feb 4 2014 7:15PM
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eheath
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Because the majority of our society is blinded by religion.
Feb 4 2014 7:16PM
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edai
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I'm not watching because I care.

I'm watching because I love Bill Nye.
Feb 4 2014 7:16PM
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GayWolf420
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LOL HE IS CITING A FUCKING EARTH SCIENCE BOOK WOW THIS GUYS A RETARD
Feb 4 2014 7:20PM
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GayWolf420
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btw it looks like its probably a Junior High text book
Feb 4 2014 7:21PM
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CaptainObvious.
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This guy's public speaking is shit.
Feb 4 2014 7:21PM
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El_Barto.
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Bio 101 FTW





But really, Jesus did it
Feb 4 2014 7:23PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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inb4 this guy answers "but you weren't there" to everything bill nye says. this guy's derp.
Feb 4 2014 7:24PM
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theBearJew
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I was in Israel on a super religious trip (wasn't expecting it to be crazy religious) and this guy Gerald Schroeder talked to us about the big bang and religion. He was trying to say that basically the big bang happened and it was created by god. Everything that is said in the Old Testament happened in a time period, but just not in a 24 hour time period. This is because time is relative and after the big bang it "stretched" time.


This was the graphic he came up with and shows a bit more of what I am talking about.

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He basically said if you look at fossils it will show you that the things in the "first day" were created during the time period show above for the "first day" and so forth on each day.


Not that I believe any of what he said, but it is a very interested way to look at the big bang as if it were supported by religion.
Feb 4 2014 7:25PM
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Jeebus.
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You caught me
Feb 4 2014 7:26PM
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CaptainObvious.
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Seriously...this guy is just making me want to shut it off and not even give it a chance. But I want to see Bill Nye.
Feb 4 2014 7:32PM
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theBearJew
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I just feel like he keeps saying the same fucking thing over and over, trying to reinforce an idea like the "bait and switch", "Hijacked", and all that crap he keeps saying.
Feb 4 2014 7:33PM
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theabortionator
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I mean I'm open to a debate with evolution but creationism really doesn't have any ground to stand on these days. I mean anythings possible but that doesn't mean it's a legitimate argument.

Might click on the link for the hell of it though.
Feb 4 2014 7:33PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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this guy needs to speak for himself and stop having other people go "hey i do science and i believe this guy"

no one said people who think the earth is only 6000 years old can't do modern science.

and the thing he just said about the e. coli was stupid.
Feb 4 2014 7:34PM
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CaptainObvious.
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You can't.


Apologize OP.
Feb 4 2014 7:34PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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also cutting clips of bill nye talking is a shitty way to misuse his words out of context.
Feb 4 2014 7:37PM
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CaptainObvious.
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That video of Bill was the stupidest, most illogical placement of a video except to attempt a low-blow on Bill.
Feb 4 2014 7:37PM
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theBearJew
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Bugs the shit out of me when he says stuff like "Creationists should be teaching kids because they are teaching kids the right way to think."


Just cause you believe it doesn't make it right. You argue that its not right to teach kids this anti-religion idea but why is it right to teach the pro-religion idea?

That to me is the problem with these kinds of people. They are closed minded and thing they are right, anything else is wrong.
Feb 4 2014 7:40PM
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.Capn.
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This Ham guy is actually more well spoken than I was anticipating. I don't agree with him but I think he's presenting his argument in pretty straight forward and digestable manner. Sorry, NS hate train..
Feb 4 2014 7:43PM
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theBearJew
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This guys not even arguing the fucking topic. Hes just bitching about how kids are being taught evolution. Not saying much about if his idea is viable....
Feb 4 2014 7:43PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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But see if its presented in a logical way, with clear explanations, I will always entertain that idea. I mean, technically we can't prove the big bang created our universe, and we also cant prove "God" didn't create the universe. But one sounds much more absurd than the other. This though, this is way more plausible than what other religious zealots (and the Bible, Torah, Quran) state. All I'm saying is its pretty easy to trace where religion came from (aka people that didn't know the natural workings of the earth)but Im not going to bash people for believing what they believe, its just a little ridiculous we are having this debate now, in the heat of unparalleled technological advancement and the decline in religious following.
Feb 4 2014 7:44PM
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theabortionator
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I do dislike the way we take things as 100% fact that can't be known. They may be our best theories and backed by a shit ton of evidence, but they should always be open to being proven wrong.

That said I feel religion has no place in our laws or being taught as fact in school.
Feb 4 2014 7:45PM
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Dr.Dealgood
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Yea. It's absurd de-contextualization. Debate wise, it's a sign of weakness.

I just wish Bruno Latour would stand up give Ham an education in science theory and history.

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Feb 4 2014 7:46PM
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theBearJew
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Thanks for reading my super long post.

The guy was very insightful really awesome to listen to. It was great to hear what he had to say about the topic and was a ideology that I had never thought of nor had it ever been presented to me.

There is a 5 part video on youtube of the topic (I think mostly about this) if you have the time to watch, 10 mins each I think. Just search Gerald Schroeder and the big bang.
Feb 4 2014 7:47PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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This. We have evidence to support the big bang. We have zero evidence to support a "God". The only god theory I would consider entertaining is that extraterrestrials did visit a younger earth and the humans of earth saw these people as god figures. Now that theory is crazy but still holds more weight than the bible.
Feb 4 2014 7:49PM
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theBearJew
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Honest question, but aren't they finding evidence of a big bang? Isn't that the point of the "god particle"?
Feb 4 2014 7:50PM
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theBearJew
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Huge difference speakers...

Bill: I challenge you to prove me wrong, find something that proves me wrong and we will embrace you.


Ken: You are wrong I am right.
Feb 4 2014 7:53PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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Yeah I think I said they have evidence of the big bang, just not conclusive enough to move it from a theory to a fact.
Feb 4 2014 7:54PM
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Dr.Dealgood
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To my knowledge, the big bang is pretty dang consistently accepted as true. The bigger question is what the hell was going on before? But I'm not a huge physics person, maybe Dr. Zoidberg or someone can clear that up.

The god particle part was more a generic term, not pertaining to religion, but to its hoped/anticipated ability to tie things together.
Feb 4 2014 7:55PM
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theBearJew
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Ken Hams all like... Fucking Kangaroos...

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Feb 4 2014 7:56PM
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theabortionator
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YES NOAHS ARK IS MY FAVORITE FUCKING STORY! Nothing makes sense about that
Feb 4 2014 8:00PM
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FuckAllOfYou
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Are there people really still that terrified of death (not saying i'm not, but not in a religious sense) to believe in religion, or justify it?

I'll reiterate what i have already said in another thread. This scientifically sound world that we live in, governed by laws and theories, it doesn't make any sense that there should be any God and whenever I ponder such ideas that organized religion brings forth, and compare it to just, the world (in all its solidity) it just doesn't make sense.

Sounds like a genius idea for pandering and crowd control, but other than that it's supreme bullshit. It fucking pisses me off that these debates are going on.
Feb 4 2014 8:01PM
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